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All sides have their violent protestors, unless the Disney stars are the ones being violent it shouldn't be a problem. You're painting everyone for one cause (which ones are we even talking about here?) with the same brush just because of a few bad apples?

I put all human beings as one because we can do great things and horrific things. To me, raping and lying are equally bad things just like family picnics and donating clothes to the poor are equally good things.

So now just holding views and believing in a cause makes someone a bad person. I hope you realize that this entire diatribe that you started is a view that you are endorsing. Essentially, this is your own brand of politics so that makes you just as bad as the ones you are targeting. Quite funny really how that works out.

Yes it can depending on the view. I have heard their are people out there who agree with Hitler's politics but would not do the violence and destruction that he did. While it is good they won't create modern concentration camps, it doesn't mean that Hitler's views were correct. I'm not against protesting the action. What I am against is protests based on emotions, spoon-fed information, 'one side wins and the other goes to hell' mentality, shortsightedness and empty pursuits with the protests. And sadly, I find the protests of today empty, pathetic and unoriginal. Heck, the conservative ones are just as bad. The boycott of Beauty and the Beast came across as empty. So if anyone thinks I am only attacking one side, nope. I am a firm believer that all humans can do great, beautiful things. But I also believe that humans can do cruel, dark and terrible things too. So both liberals and conservatives are guilty of making some terrible decisions and creating this chaos that won't go away if they continue to behave like this.

Only the ignorant could see that a political protest is the moral equivalent of drunk driving. You do realize that is an insult to survivors of drunk driving accidents and the families of those who have lost people through that? Honestly, I hope you have no progeny or never plan to sire children. This is why I believe the government should castrate and sterilize certain types of people, to prevent their views from being inherited by future generations. Better ignorant thoughts like this die out with the original body.

Well, tell that to gay couples willing to close bakery's owned by Christians just because of religious stances. They could just gone to another bakery, no big deal, There are 1000s of bakeries willing to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. Tell that to conservatives who are boycotting things but want the economy better and hypocritically criticize liberals when they boycott. I'm sorry, but politics is a poison. It ruins people's lives because it wants political leaders to meddle in other people's affairs and to raise the masses to be monsters to one another rather than civil human beings who can be critical thinkers. You what I think politics will do to us? This (warning Graphic picture):[inappropriate link removed by moderator]. That is our future if liberals and conservatives continue with this nonsense.

Peaceful protesting vs drunk driving are apples to oranges. I'm not going to debate whether there is a moral equivalencely between them. Also, notice in my first post I put "peaceful" in quotes. Let get one thing clear, violent protests are not protests, they are riots. That said, calling the event that Audrey was arrested during cannot be called a "peaceful protest". Once law enforcement intervenes because it becomes disruptive, it ceases to be peaceful. It wasn't a riot by any stretch of the imagination but we can't pretend it was all kumbaya either and that she was arrested for no reason. I'm sure she embellished her story to appear as though she did absolutely nothing to warrant being arrested. She was not peacefully protesting if she got arrested and given a citation for disruption.

The point I was making in my first post is that she is not a good role model either. Not to make a comparison between peaceful protesting and drug use or drunk driving. I never claimed that they were a moral equivalency, nor would I.

The_Iceflash wrote:That said, calling the event that Audrey was arrested during cannot be called a "peaceful protest". Once law enforcement intervenes because it becomes disruptive, it ceases to be peaceful.

“Disruptive” isn’t the same as “violent.” “Disruptive” could mean they were standing on someone’s lawn or they were blocking traffic. But even if they had labeled it violent, let’s not pretend like the police force are trustworthy authority figures. They lie on record, cover their co-workers’ crimes, and abuse their power regularly. Cell-phones have really exposed how corrupt the police are, and how often they claim they felt “threatened” to give themselves leniency to murder people in cold blood.

Also worth mentioning that there is a time for riots as well, not that I believe this Audrey girl was part of one.

Either way, the point of this post was to bring to light that Disney stars already have enough problems with the rehab over drugs, alcohol and sex. Do we REALLY need politics on top of that? And if you are saying "are you implying that getting very political is just as bad as drunk driving and getting high on drugs?" My answer, well with the way conservatives and liberals just love each other (my ass) yes I am implying that. To me, causing bodily harm to yourself is just as "evil" as getting a mass of people to agree towards your views and insult them along the way. You know what they say, "Two wrong don't make a right."

The_Iceflash wrote:Peaceful protesting vs drunk driving are apples to oranges. I'm not going to debate whether there is a moral equivalencely between them. Also, notice in my first post I put "peaceful" in quotes. Let get one thing clear, violent protests are not protests, they are riots. That said, calling the event that Audrey was arrested during cannot be called a "peaceful protest". Once law enforcement intervenes because it becomes disruptive, it ceases to be peaceful. It wasn't a riot by any stretch of the imagination but we can't pretend it was all kumbaya either and that she was arrested for no reason. I'm sure she embellished her story to appear as though she did absolutely nothing to warrant being arrested. She was not peacefully protesting if she got arrested and given a citation for disruption.

The point I was making in my first post is that she is not a good role model either. Not to make a comparison between peaceful protesting and drug use or drunk driving. I never claimed that they were a moral equivalency, nor would I.

I agree that the protests since the election in the US have mostly been anything but peaceful. I've watched enough of the raw footage on YouTube and it sickened me the things I saw people do and say in the name of "love." Portland seems to be the worst for some reason. I've also saw rallies for Trump that were just as disgusting. There is a lot of anger on both sides of the aisle and I feel it is to America's detriment that the most vocal seem to be calling the shots these days.

I also realize that we live in a very politically divided world, mostly due to the vocal calling the shots, and there is much pride to go around to society's determent ultimately I fear. Mostly, it just makes me feel great sadness. It is impossible for any leader of this country to unite the country when so many have anger and fear in their hearts for the opposition. But it's also why I tire of activists in my entertainment. I'm not dumb, I know what's going on, but I don't want to be reminded of it every time I read a comic book or watch a movie or film. I need a break for my sanity. I think we all do. *sigh*

bkelly25 wrote:Either way, the point of this post was to bring to light that Disney stars already have enough problems with the rehab over drugs, alcohol and sex. Do we REALLY need politics on top of that? And if you are saying "are you implying that getting very political is just as bad as drunk driving and getting high on drugs?" My answer, well with the way conservatives and liberals just love each other (my ass) yes I am implying that. To me, causing bodily harm to yourself is just as "evil" as getting a mass of people to agree towards your views and insult them along the way. You know what they say, "Two wrong don't make a right."

I don't necessarily disagree with much of what you are saying. However, I do have to wonder if opening this can of worms this way was necessary? At this point I think we've all seen the angry responses people type out when issues close to their hearts are brought up. I've been guilty of that same anger in the past, it's hard to not give in sometimes, but we must.

A great way to help others get past that is knowing when to tackle these very personal and delicate issues, and when to let it go as the song says. I rarely if ever see people change their minds on an issue from a heated discussion on the internet. It's more likely that if hearts are to be soften it's done in the real world via personal experiences people face that challenge their world view. Online however, it seems more likely that they hunker down and fight to the bitter end and everyone leave cranky.

Anyway, yes I agree, child stars period don't make good role models. But as I said before, I don't think that's totally their fault. That lifestyle is a very toxic one, especially for a young, developing mind. I think many of them mean well, but they don't understand how their actions and words usually end up hurting people more than helping. Very much they hurt themselves and their loved ones many times. Again, it makes me sad. It also makes me happy I never got into acting as a child becuase I almost did.

I won't mince words, OP is clearly an awful bigot.

Like what is this even:

Auli'i Cravalho (From Disney's Moana) is going to be starring in a show dealing with the "diversity" of teenagers, she even mentioned LGBT

Taking a role in a tv show that happens to have a diverse cast is considered a political act? Moana was a one time thing, she has to, you know, continue working. I have no idea what your issue with this other than the fact that you seem upset about a show embracing diversity. Yikes.

The mere mention of LGBT is a political act? (you mentioned this several times) Good lord. LGBT people are part of this world and have been since the beginning of time. I'm oh so sorry that erasing them from society and our culture is finally starting to end after centuries of persecution. It's nice that celebrities and other people that LGBT youth might look up to acknowledge and show their support for a community that still faces extreme hatred and prejudice despite recent strides, especially Disney stars who have a large LGBT following. It must be hard for you though

Taking a role in a tv show that happens to have a diverse cast is considered a political act? Moana was a one time thing, she has to, you know, continue working. I have no idea what your issue with this other than the fact that you seem upset about a show embracing diversity. Yikes.

The mere mention of LGBT is a political act? (you mentioned this several times) Good lord. LGBT people are part of this world and have been since the beginning of time. I'm oh so sorry that erasing them from society and our culture is finally starting to end after centuries of persecution. It's nice that celebrities and other people that LGBT youth might look up to acknowledge and show their support for a community that still faces extreme hatred and prejudice despite recent strides, especially Disney stars who have a large LGBT following. It must be hard for you though

Yes it happens to be political. LOOK AT OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW! I can't even treat a person like a decent human being without thinking of the stereotype that our media has put on society. Remember a movie called Mean Girls and how they go by cliques? "Cool Asians, burnouts, jocks" that stuff. Well, we do the same thing with political stuff. You've got your Liberals, LGBT, conservatives, Christians, African Americans, Feminists, Millennials, Baby Boomers, Muslims etc. WHY in hell do we need to acknowledge people by their religion, party affiliation, political stance, color, gender, sexuality, generation gap or social class? How about "Hey I'm Jane Doe, nice to meet you." Instead of, "hey this is Mrs. Jane Doe. She is an atheist bisexual Caucasian Gen Xer who is a registered middle class democrat." Um WHO CARES?

And as I mentioned above, once you bring something to your local, state or national government, and then the media spreads all over; too damn late. It is political. If you don't like that LGBT is considered political by some then why in the freakin' hell are we going to our legislators and politicians in the first place? If you do not want LGBT to be political, don't involve Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, Barack Obama, George W. Bush or whoever. As I said, politics is a poison. So this has nothing to do with me not noticing that LGBT people are in this world. I know plenty of them. But if you don't like that I am putting politics with LGBT, too late dude. America did it WAY before me.

I'm sorry that persecuted minority groups fighting for equality and asking to be treated with basic human decency bothers you so much. I suppose they should just keep quiet and know their place instead of trying to change the world for the better

Celebrities aren't robots built for your entertainment only. They're human beings with lives, feelings, and beliefs. At least the people you're complaining about can see the difference between getting heavily involved in politics and merely showing support and compassion for persecuted peoples who need it.

Still can't fathom how Auli'i getting a part in a show described like this:

Rise (formerly Drama High)
Logline: Based on the book by Michael Sokolove and life rights of Lou Volpe, the drama is inspired by a true story and revolves around a working-class high school drama department and the students who come alive under a passionate teacher and family man whose dedication to the program galvanizes the entire town.

is her taking an offensive political stance? You literally said it's political because it has a diverse cast, never mind that Auli'i herself is a woman of color who is adding to that diversity!

It really is true, the majority groups always feel their rights are threatened when minority groups are simply treated with equality or speak out about their experiences.