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DisneyFan09 wrote:

frankf3 wrote:I liked both Princess and the Frog and Tangled about the same, but I do like a lot. Some things I prefer in PATF (villain and animation) and some things I prefer in Tangled (couple and comic relief animal characters).

Oh, I forgot about the couples! Naveen and Tiana has a great chemistry together, perhaps one of the best chemistry I've seen in a Disney couple. So I'm sorry, but I disagree.

Everything you just said is how I felt about Rapunzel and Flynn personally. I thought Mandy Moore and Zachery Levi had such great chemistry working off each other.

I personally didn't think Rapunzel and Flynn had much chemistry at all, but thought Tiana/Naveen worked. The Tiana/Naveen relationship still had some inherent flaws that made the long-term ending unbelievable, but I did think they had a natural chemistry together which was missing from Flynn/Rapunzel. It might just be because I find Flynn an unsatisfying character on all levels though, while I actually liked Rapunzel; the lopsided likability affects my perception of many Disney "romances."

Personally, I always found Tangled not only derivative of the '90s films, but also TP&TF itself. TP&TF has more needless convolution that Tangled excises, but they are both roadtrip films that work in essentially the same way. Tiana is a bit of a darker character than Rapunzel, which I think hurts her popularity (no pun intended, although the sentence works that way, too. ). Flynn is a replica of Naveen though.

Tiana and Naveen are definitely one of my favorite Disney couples. Both are unique and interesting characters in completely different ways, yet they also complement each other perfectly.

I don't really care about a lot of Disney romances because most are cheesy and by the numbers (including Rapunzel and Flynn), but Tiana and Naveen get to me for some reason. My heart always melts at the look on Naveen's face when he sees Tiana dancing for the first time. So cute

DisneyFan09 wrote:
Agreed. "Mother Knows Best" sounds like it would fit a movie from Walt's era, not in a 2010 Disney flick. Either way, two of the songs are derivative. "I've Got a Dream" is exactly like the drinking song in "Dumbo" and "Mother Knows Best" reprise sounds almost like "Savages" from "Pocahontas".

Whhat ?

Pink Elephants on Parade sounds nothing like " I've Got a Dream " And " Mother Knows Best " Sounds nothing like " Savages "
Savages is a agressive song about racism and MKB is a cheerful yet passive- agressive song that you would think would belong to a Good Guy's song by how cheerful it sounds. Savages doesn't sound cheerful or passive- agressive at all, it's down right agressive.

thelittleursula wrote: Pink Elephants on Parade sounds nothing like " I've Got a Dream "

I wasn't talking about Pink Elephants on Parade, but the short drinking song by the clowns inside the tent.

And " Mother Knows Best " Sounds nothing like " Savages "

I was talking about the reprise. Melodically, they are similar.

I still like certain elements to The Princess and the Frog, (like the animation, Ray and Charlotte, and the art direction) but it does feel like a big dissapointment to me personally because they could've done something more to this. Like there was supposed to be a huge magical battle between Mama Odie and Dr. Facilier (who were originally written to be related), Louis was a victim to Facilier's magic and wanted to be human again, a different songwriter, and that the relationship should've felt more organic. Tiana and Naveen were a nice couple and all, but it strangely felt rushed and incomplete to me.

When it comes to Tangled, the flaws in TPATF were looked at and improved (slightly in places). Rapunzel and Flynn did feel like a real Disney couple and that atleast we did have more time with them and when they thought they were going to legitimately die in the cave, Flynn opened up and told only Rapunzel of who he was and during the camp scene they were opening up to one another and it wasn't near the end of the movie either when they did that. Though I wish that Gothel would've been more understandable as a villian and that she could've had the chance of having atleast two more scenes where we could figure out her real feelings other than being just a vain, simpleton. But she is still atleast a villian who is used more than Dr. Facilier.

Here's to hope that Hans does better.

But hey you can disagree with me on this and I respect what you have to say.

In a hind sight yes.

Yeah. Bolt was boring.

I like both PATF and Tangled, but the latter more. PATF had one or two flaws that are too apparent to overlook.

BTW, was there ver any CGI musical made before Tangled?

ajmrowland wrote:I like both PATF and Tangled, but the latter more. PATF had one or two flaws that are too apparent to overlook.

BTW, was there ver any CGI musical made before Tangled?

I agree with that and I think there was never any legit CGI movie musical untill Tangled came around.

Musical Master wrote:Here's to hope that Hans does better.

PLEASE. STOP. DROPPING. SPOILERS. CARELESSLY. DAMMIT!

I know you applied the spoiler tags, but judging by what was written before the spoiler, I thought it would be a Tangled spoiler and not a Frozen spoiler. Now I've read it and am pretty sure nothing's going to surprise me in Frozen.

I'm really, really mad.








For real.








I may forgive you ... eventually.

Jules wrote:

Musical Master wrote:Here's to hope that Hans does better.

PLEASE. STOP. DROPPING. SPOILERS. CARELESSLY. DAMMIT!

I know you applied the spoiler tags, but judging by what was written before the spoiler, I thought it would be a Tangled spoiler and not a Frozen spoiler. Now I've read it and am pretty sure nothing's going to surprise me in Frozen.

I'm really, really mad.








For real.








I may forgive you ... eventually.

Look, this spoiler was not much of a suprise to me or anyone when it was revealed.

And FORGIVE ME, if I was CARELESS about this certain spoiler that have been revealed for a WHOLE MONTH NOW!!

Are you serious?? A Tangled spoiler? Everyone and their grandma have seen Tangled for almost three years now. I don't think the spoilers in Tangled are spoilers anymore.

I've noticed the pattern that people who love Tangled also love Frozen...

And then the rest are more into Pooh or Frog or Ralph. Hmm, seems the blonde princesses cater to an specific audience...

thedisneyspirit wrote:I've noticed the pattern that people who love Tangled also love Frozen...

And then the rest are more into Pooh or Frog or Ralph. Hmm, seems the blonde princesses cater to an specific audience...

I like all four of these movies for different reasons dispite they're apparent flaws.

Fair enough. I'm more of Pooh and Ralph fan myself.

It had Alvin and the Chipmunks the Squeakquel as competition.......*sighs*I remember tryign get two little boys to want to see it instead, and while Alvin was cute (don't send me to the asylum please), Princess and The Frog is what I'd rather have seen in theatres. I got the experience from Tangled, and The Muppets of one simple thing....the thing I've loved to watch on video in theatres when I either wasn't born or too young to see the movies. I'm only 17, so I wasn't alive when Little Mermaid, and Beauty and the Beast came out and while I loved Tangled, I would have really really wanted to see a classic hand drawn fairy tale on screen.

I agree with Estefan- I have always been a huge fan of this film. Boys just didn't want to see a "princess" film or their parents figured their boys didn't want to see a "princess" film. Who knows how Tangled would have been marketed had TP&tF met Disney's box office expectations...

Maybe if competition wasn't so bad during 2009, then I could see TPATF make a lot more money as Disney had hoped. But in the end, we'll never know.

I think the Princess and the Frog's music was quite lackluster and mediocre. Then again, this is is Randy "Stale and Boring" Newman who wrote the songs. If this film was supposed to be a throwback to the 90s Disney musical then the songs need to be as catchy and memorable as those ones. Every 90s Disney song is more memorable than anything in this film, imo. Even the High School Musical franchise's songs have proven to be more catchy and memorable. This film's songs are very forgettable to me. A Disney musical can't have an enduring legacy if its songs are forgettable.

The_Iceflash wrote:I think the Princess and the Frog's music was quite lackluster and mediocre. Then again, this is is Randy "Stale and Boring" Newman who wrote the songs. If this film was supposed to be a throwback to the 90s Disney musical then the songs need to be as catchy and memorable as those ones. Every 90s Disney song is more memorable than anything in this film, imo. Even the High School Musical franchise's songs have proven to be more catchy and memorable. This film's songs are very forgettable to me. A Disney musical can't have an enduring legacy if its songs are forgettable.

That's how I feel about the songs in TPATF as well; and the reason why Tangled, though not the best Disney songs, does have the more memorable songs.