Re: Man of Steel
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:04 am
Didn't like Anne Hathway's Catwoman?Mooky wrote: Christopher Nolan can't write female characters for sh*t, they're all the same boring, rigid, humorless type.
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Re: Man of Steel
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:19 am
Well, for starters, there was no Catwoman in TDKR -- she was never identified/named as such 
. Just another thing Nolan probably thought was too comic-booky to include in the movie. But anyway, no, I did not like her much. Everybody in Nolan's Batman films is always putting on some sort of performance, even when the story does not ask for it (like any conversation between Bruce Wayne and Alfred -- they talk like they are in a Faulkner's novel or Shakespearean drama and not like actual, realistic human beings). There's too much theatricality involved and it always comes off as fake. In Selina Kyle's case, it seemed like she tried too hard to look and act like a sultry badass. In short, there was nothing organic about her performance. I did like her introductory scene, though. It all went downhill from there.
And while we're at it: realistic vigilantism/thievery does not include walking in high heels, nor does it include wearing a mask and having your hair exposed at the same time (all that pesky DNA available to the police department, tsk-tsk).
. Just another thing Nolan probably thought was too comic-booky to include in the movie. But anyway, no, I did not like her much. Everybody in Nolan's Batman films is always putting on some sort of performance, even when the story does not ask for it (like any conversation between Bruce Wayne and Alfred -- they talk like they are in a Faulkner's novel or Shakespearean drama and not like actual, realistic human beings). There's too much theatricality involved and it always comes off as fake. In Selina Kyle's case, it seemed like she tried too hard to look and act like a sultry badass. In short, there was nothing organic about her performance. I did like her introductory scene, though. It all went downhill from there.And while we're at it: realistic vigilantism/thievery does not include walking in high heels, nor does it include wearing a mask and having your hair exposed at the same time (all that pesky DNA available to the police department, tsk-tsk).
Re: Man of Steel
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:02 pm
Amen!Mooky wrote:Well, for starters, there was no Catwoman in TDKR -- she was never identified/named as such
God I hated The Dark Knight Rises. Such a pompous, over the top, ridiculous film. Nolan's films have this incredibly silly self-proclaimed depth that's mostly just not there.
Re: Man of Steel
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:32 am
Eh. They're still pretty damn good action films.
Somehow, I get the feeling that his mark was all over the production design. I did like that aspect too. But yeah, not a great movie.
Also, I thought Adams largely hit the spunk on target for what she was given. But that was just her intro.
One thing I kinda liked was the "you are not alone bit". Aside from the bad alien horror movie style and the dialogue zod has. Just the words on screen. They have double meaning.
I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'll join you in saying his films are usually boring to me and lacking a level of depth that's enough to sustain my interest, and yes he favors style-one that I like-over substance. An imbalance that-as much as he apparently tried(I'm a sucker for Supe's origins in any form, but this one still had a hard time with that)-made much of the action drag on in places where it otherwise might've been more interesting. There were a couple of neat ideas but it was simply an okay movie.PatrickvD wrote:The reviews aren't encouraging.
I didn't love Superman Returns at all, but I was afraid that film would push WB waaay too far in the opposite direction with this reboot. My suspicion was confirmed when they hired Zack Snyder to direct it. One of the most awful directors currently working in Hollywood. I find Watchmen and 300 to be incredibly overrated films that were completely preoccupied with how things looked in slow-motion while completely ignoring character and story. Meanwhile he is pretending to have some type of inherent depth in his films which was, I suppose, only experienced by annoying fanboys. You know, self-proclaimed film-buffs. These movies are such empty shells. I'm sure the Watchmen novel is a great read with amazing illustrations. As a movie it's absolutely atrocious and unbearable. I'm hoping Nolan's script is strong enough to overcome Snyder's relentless ignorance regarding genuine human emotions.
I'll see it but I'm afraid it's going to piss me off massively. I'm hoping at least Amy Adams can squeeze in a memorable new take on Lois Lane. (seriously what WERE they thinking when they miscast Kate Boringsworth as Lois Lane in the last film?!?!?!).
Somehow, I get the feeling that his mark was all over the production design. I did like that aspect too. But yeah, not a great movie.
Also, I thought Adams largely hit the spunk on target for what she was given. But that was just her intro.
One thing I kinda liked was the "you are not alone bit". Aside from the bad alien horror movie style and the dialogue zod has. Just the words on screen. They have double meaning.
Re: Man of Steel
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:40 pm
Still much better than Man of Steel where nobody was allowed to have a conversation and the crew couldn't even hold a camera steady.PatrickvD wrote:Amen!
God I hated The Dark Knight Rises. Such a pompous, over the top, ridiculous film. Nolan's films have this incredibly silly self-proclaimed depth that's mostly just not there.
Re: Man of Steel
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:50 pm
Where did I say it wasn't?Flanger-Hanger wrote:Still much better than Man of Steel where nobody was allowed to have a conversation and the crew couldn't even hold a camera steady.PatrickvD wrote:Amen!
God I hated The Dark Knight Rises. Such a pompous, over the top, ridiculous film. Nolan's films have this incredibly silly self-proclaimed depth that's mostly just not there.
Re: Man of Steel
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:39 pm
You didn't, but I'm just stating my comparison, seeing how this is the Man of Steel thread and all.PatrickvD wrote:Where did I say it wasn't?
Re: Man of Steel
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:09 pm
Damn this movie was boring. Not a single interesting/memorable/likable character in the bunch and holy shit was that romance forced out of nowhere. Most importantly, it's not fun.
Re: Man of Steel
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:27 pm
Personally, I think it's the best Superman movie since Superman II Superman also kills Zod in Superman II too so I don't get why people are compalaing that Superman snapped Zod's neck. Superman in Man of Steel showed grief that he had to do it, whlie in Superman II he shows know big remorse.
I'm going to go see it in IMAX 3D next week
I'm going to go see it in IMAX 3D next week
Re: Man of Steel
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:58 pm
Well, although it can be assumed the Zoners die in Superman II as shown in theatres back in the day they shot a scene that is only in the Richard Donner Cut and TV Versions where the Phantom Zoners are bagged up by Superman and given to the police afterwards. The cavern they were pushed in was not MEANT to be a death scene so it was not played as one. In the Comics Superman has killed a very small amount of people in the early Golden Age of the late 1930's but it is very much become a thing with him not to much like how Batman used to carry a gun back then. These are things that just don't make sense to who they have become but may have been fine in the moment. The only other time Superman killed someone was in the post-Crisis DCU he killed three evil versions of Zod and his underlings and he felt bad about it for over a year of comics which caused his no kill rule. Having years to talk about regret and remorse is very different than a scream before more banter happens. That is people's problem with it. I love the film but see both sides... Some have said this is the Man of Steel version of where his No Kill rule will come from. I gasped when it happened myself and did not believe it. Also since the Post-Crisis DCU is over with the New 52 a couple years back he has never killed at all in the current series because it is the general rule of who he is.disneyboy20022 wrote:Personally, I think it's the best Superman movie since Superman II Superman also kills Zod in Superman II too so I don't get why people are compalaing that Superman snapped Zod's neck. Superman in Man of Steel showed grief that he had to do it, whlie in Superman II he shows know big remorse.
-Skyler