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Lazario wrote:

Super Aurora wrote:She hates Gaston. That means she not perfect.

What do you expect; long hair on a man is cheesy. Not sexy. What is he- a man or a horse?

He's neither.


He's....


GASTON.

Tae wrote:Sorry, I should have clarified; I meant her showing the townspeople the magic mirror.

As FlyingPiggy said she needed to do it to save her father. That part was necessary and even clever on her part.

AliceinWonderland wrote:I know i've heard (at a d23 panel) that most of the princess stories are told with in a day or few days. so she wouldnt be in the dress for months

If you think about it.. she goes through town, her dad goes off to the fair (day 1) she goes to find her dad, her dad runs back to town and tells the towns people about the beast (day 2) the snow fight and ball scene, she released and back again for the final battle (day 3)

Yea but that doesn't mean that they were thinking of Beauty and the Beast when they said that or that any of them had a definate answer on how much time it was supposed to be. On the audio commentary, they said the time in at the Beast's castle is cleverly not specified so you can think it's either days or months, and that it may have been a mistake since Maurice could have been lost in the woods for months.

Cheshire_Cat wrote:The "Prince Charming" bit being Belle's favorite part doesn't neceessarily indicate that that's what she wants for herself. It could just indicate that she enjoys romanticism. But that's a different topic to delve into.

Yes that's possible and but I think it indicates she certainly would like a man in her life sometime. If you mean she isn't necessarily waiting for the prince to come himself, than yes, she isn't like Snow White and Aurora in that aspect.

Cheshire_Cat wrote:She got no information on the room other than that it was "FORBIDDEN!" and she was staying in an enchanted castle. Her feeling impelled to explore is perfectly understandable, since, under those same circumstances, I'm sure we'd all feel the same impulse.

Yes and a lot of people could understand why Ariel did what she did too. Doesn't mean what she and Belle did aren't flaws. What for you would classify as a flaw?

Cheshire_Cat wrote:I don't think she explicitly promised to return in the movie. In the original fairy tale, yes, but not in the movie.

Oh that's weird I thought she promised to come back. And I saw the movie not too long ago. I watched a clip online and she didn't.

Lazario wrote:

Super Aurora wrote:She hates Gaston. That means she not perfect.

What do you expect; long hair on a man is cheesy. Not sexy. What is he- a man or a horse?

Yea but she loved the Prince and his long hair, which looked very sexy on him.

FlyingPiggy wrote:I don't think the story takes place over months either, like, do we really think poor Maurice survived in the woods for months?

I think the people who prefer months think its because you need all that time to fall in love. But people can fall in love very quickly. I too believe it was only days, and it makes more sense for what Maurice goes through. I don't think their idea of the seasons changing worked when it looks like Fall turns to winter on one day in the beginning and then turns to Spring in one day in the end.

Lazario wrote: What do you expect; long hair on a man is cheesy. Not sexy. What is he- a man or a horse?

Ahahaha! That was the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.

But anyways, I think that Belle just isn't deep enough. Disney tried so hard to make her a feminist character that that was *all* her character. She's very cookie cutter, and not deep in any way.

I think Belle is lovely.

Scarred4life wrote:

Lazario wrote: What do you expect; long hair on a man is cheesy. Not sexy. What is he- a man or a horse?

Ahahaha! That was the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.

But anyways, I think that Belle just isn't deep enough. Disney tried so hard to make her a feminist character that that was *all* her character. She's very cookie cutter, and not deep in any way.

You wanna who very DEEP ?



















SASUKE(aka Dr.Snake)

No, Belle isn't perfect. When Gaston proposed to her she should have said he was an disgusting leech that should go to find some other prey such as one of the blondes or she should have just kicked him.

THEN I'd say she was perfect.

According to the Nostalgia Critic, Belle is too perfect.

Well, looks like this is settled then.

Scarred4life wrote:

Lazario wrote:What do you expect; long hair on a man is cheesy. Not sexy. What is he- a man or a horse?

Ahahaha! That was the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.

But anyways, I think that Belle just isn't deep enough. Disney tried so hard to make her a feminist character that that was *all* her character. She's very cookie cutter, and not deep in any way.

(Thank you, and) Agreed. (Though I wouldn't call her feminist, more like: I want something but I'm too distracted by my natural curiosity to be able to see that pet-friends and shiny-things are inadvertently getting me tied down to a man. Which was supposedly the last thing I wanted. Oh, wait, I said I didn't want Gaston to tie me down; big difference).

SpringHeelJack wrote:Well, looks like this is settled then.

Yeah... Belle's a moron. If Disney had treated her character with even a fraction of a percentage less integrity, she would have been walking into doors and giggling at everyone's jokes without knowing why.

Disney Duster wrote:

Lazario wrote: What do you expect; long hair on a man is cheesy. Not sexy. What is he- a man or a horse?

Yea but she loved the Prince and his long hair, which looked very sexy on him.

That's so something I would expect from Jackoleen.

Yes, but almost every princess is. If we're gonna fault her we better fault most of the others as well.

I don't think Belle is perfect at all. She broke her promise to the Beast to stay 'forever' because he understandably became enraged that she decided to disregard what he told her because she was curious. I also don't think her intelligence was shown much either. I mean, she basically got outsmarted by a musclehead at the end and if Chip had not very fortunately stowed along Gaston would have presented her with Beast's head and er, 'married' her. Mulan was way more intelligent but for some reason Belle is known as the "smart" one. Not that I don't like Belle, she is one of my favorite heroines but far from perfect.

Too perfect? I'll say. Belle ran away in a blizzard and the visibilty to navigate was poor but she got through that storm with no trouble.

Belle is nowhere near perfect. She is incredibly stubborn, she is given a really nice room (bigger than most people's apartments) and she STILL complains (yes, I know she's living with a Beast, and so? Be thankful you aren't in a dungeon), she disobeyed the orders of not going into the West Wing, she blamed running away from the castle on the Beast's temper (I personally think that's a lame excuse. She already knew he had a bad temper to begin with), and who is she to call the Beast coarse and unrefined? Kind of an uppity attitude. Speaking of uppity, she sees herself as above the provincial people in her town. She's still a peasant, regardless. She acts like her sh*t don't stank. Haha

Honestly, I love Belle, she is in my top 5 of favorite princesses, but she does have her flaws. I cannot stand when people say she's the smartest because she reads and she's brunette (I've read quite a few people make this statement) and has bigger aspirations than the other heroines of the past. Snow White and Aurora wanted love, while Cinderella wanted both happiness and the love/approval of her step family. And in my opinion, what is wrong with wishing for love or a man to rescue you? There's nothing wrong with depending on men, nor is there anything wrong with being an independent woman.

tsom wrote:Speaking of uppity, she sees herself as above the provincial people in her town.

And one of those people is the bookseller whom gave her a free book and he loves books as much as she does to want to run a book store, which she likes visiting. He's probably content with reading adventures instead of wanting to live them but Belle doesn't consider him someone "I can really talk to" because she wants someone to talk to whom shares her desire for adventures in real life.

Belle is probably supposed to be smart for reading books, thinking of what/unlike others around her do, seeing past appearences to how people really are, and always doing either clever or at least not stupid things. Going to the West Wing is a flaw, but I wouldn't call it stupid. And breaking her promise was not a flaw either, it was smart, as the only reason she agreed to stay was to save her father. That Beast didn't deserve to have someone stay with him for merely taking shelter from the storm. Belle should have been smart enough to see that. At least she was smart enough to leave to save her self. That is a good thing for girls to see.

I still wouldn't say Belle is particularly smart or intellectual. The cleverest thing she does is use the mirror to show the townspeople the Beast to save her father, though that backfired on her because Gaston came up with his own half-clever plan.

Sky Syndrome wrote:

tsom wrote:Speaking of uppity, she sees herself as above the provincial people in her town.

And one of those people is the bookseller whom gave her a free book and he loves books as much as she does to want to run a book store, which she likes visiting. He's probably content with reading adventures instead of wanting to live them but Belle doesn't consider him someone "I can really talk to" because she wants someone to talk to whom shares her desire for adventures in real life.

Never thought of that. But maybe he was too old for her to connect with or, because he laughed at her for readingloving books that much, he still didn't "understand" her. He cuts her off before she finishes talking like the others. We'll have to take Belle's word for it.

The thing I don't like about her is that Disney says she is smart. How, exactly? Just because she reads books? Anyone can read books. Disney says she is a feminist. How? Name one thing she does that proves she is a feminist. And turning Gaston down doesn't really count, considering she doesn't turn the Beast down.

@Scarred4life

Does being a feminist entail never accepting a man as your romantic partner?

Do masculinists exist?

I would agree that Belle is probably too nice. But I still like the character, personally.

Scarred4life wrote:The thing I don't like about her is that Disney says she is smart. How, exactly? Just because she reads books? Anyone can read books.

Did you not read my post which was just before yours? Anyway, I don't think she is "feminist", just that compared to every Disney female before her, she was feminist. Her feminism comes from not conforming to not just Gaston but any man who wants to make her his little wife, and instead be with a man who really respects her and her interests like the Beast. And for doing whatever she wants to do.

Scarred4life wrote:The thing I don't like about her is that Disney says she is smart. How, exactly? Just because she reads books? Anyone can read books. Disney says she is a feminist. How? Name one thing she does that proves she is a feminist. And turning Gaston down doesn't really count, considering she doesn't turn the Beast down.

^THIS!!!! I love Belle, but I totally agree with this post.