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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:52 pm
by Disney's Divinity
Personally, I think Elastigirl and Eve (if you can count her as a woman…) are the only strong female characters they’ve had. Dory and Jessie are well-developed characters, but not particularly “strong.”
That said, I think it’s okay for someone to write characters who aren’t like themselves. Though there are many differences, the human experience is something that ties us together. But it is depressing that there aren’t more women writing about women--or women writing in the entertainment industry in general. Of course, women are capable of writing weak female characters themselves. See
Grey’s Anatomy and
Twilight.
But I get your point because this is less about a woman character but more about “women” in general terms.
Swillie wrote:I understand what you're saying about how gay men have been portrayed in the majority of the media. But this is not the same thing. At all.
How is it different? Women have been stereotyped in media created by men for a very long time, even if unconsciously. I know there was recently an uproar over that crappy TV show
I Hate My Teenage Daughter because of how sexist the female characters are.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:07 pm
by candydog
SWillie! wrote:singerguy, you're acting as if Pete Doctor and John Lasseter sit down alone and make the entire film. Do you really not think that every female employee at Pixar will contribute to the story? I don't think anybody is trying to pretend that they know everything about the female mind. As a man, you simply can't. But this is what they do. They're actors. They study the behaviors and actions of others, and from what they've given us so far, it seems that they are pretty damn good at turning that knowledge about people into great characters.
They didn't come out and say "We think Pete Doctor would be the best choice to make a movie about a woman, because he knows everything that happens in a woman's mind." And since they did not say that, no one is being sexist at all. Would it maybe be better if they had a female at the helm of this project? Possibly. Possibly not. Maybe it's good to have someone that is not personally affected by female thoughts. But regardless, this is not sexist whatsoever. They're going to try their best to capture the best female emotions they can.
I understand what you're saying about how gay men have been portrayed in the majority of the media. But this is not the same thing. At all.
I absolutely agree.
And as a side note, who really understands what goes in anyone's mind except their own anyway? If you are writing a script for a movie or play or even writing a novel, you're going to be confronted with writing a character of the opposite gender at some point. As a writer/actor/director you study human behaviour so that you can attempt to portray it in your art. If everyone was only allowed to write about people that we truly understood, we would only be allowed to write about ourselves.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:58 pm
by BwayJ
Sotiris wrote:John Lasseter wrote:Pete Docter, from Monsters, Inc. and Up, is doing a new film that takes place inside of a girl’s mind and it is about her emotions as characters, and that is unlike anything you’ve ever seen.
Source: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12024
Anyone else think of "Reason and Emotion" when they read this?
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:12 pm
by Sotiris
BwayJ wrote:Anyone else think of "Reason and Emotion" when they read this?
I did too. Glad I'm not the only one.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:24 pm
by SWillie!
Disney's Divinity wrote:
Swillie wrote:I understand what you're saying about how gay men have been portrayed in the majority of the media. But this is not the same thing. At all.
How is it different? Women have been stereotyped in media created by men for a very long time, even if unconsciously. I know there was recently an uproar over that crappy TV show
I Hate My Teenage Daughter because of how sexist the female characters are.
Singerguy is complaining about a character being a stereotype when we have no idea yet who this character is, whatsoever. It would be like getting upset when a new TV show had just been announced, and all we knew about the main character was that he was gay. We didn't know yet if he was a "stereotypical gay", or if it would be a more realistic portrayal of a gay man.
But that's not what singerguy was doing. He was, understandably, complaining about the fact that gay men HAVE been portrayed as stereotypes for years. If Pixar had been creating stereotypical females for years, then he would have a valid reason to be upset about a new movie featuring a woman and her emotions, because we would be at a point where it would be safe to assume that the character would be fairly stereotypical.
But since Pixar has rarely created a stereotypical character, it's completely unfair to
already be upset that this character will probably be stereotypical, especially when your only reason is
because it's being created by a man.
Assuming that a man has no chance of understanding a woman's feelings is more sexist than giving a man a chance to try.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:26 pm
by Elladorine
Sotiris wrote:BwayJ wrote:Anyone else think of "Reason and Emotion" when they read this?
I did too. Glad I'm not the only one.
Same here!
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:53 pm
by TheValentineBros
enigmawing wrote:Sotiris wrote:
I did too. Glad I'm not the only one.
Same here!
No way, me too!
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:34 am
by Sotiris
The movie has changed its release date. It will now be released on June 19, 2015.
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:01 am
by Victurtle
SWillie! wrote:Disney's Divinity wrote:
Almost all of Finding Nemo support characters were Aussie sterotypes, but it's different for main characters.
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:31 am
by SWillie!
Can you give an example of that besides the fact that they had heavy Australian accents and used the word "mate"? Because that isn't a stereotype.
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:21 am
by Sotiris
John Lasseter wrote:Pete Docter is working on the next [movie] that takes place in the mind. Pete has this way of constantly trying to figure out something that we are all familiar in some way. Like monsters. Every child thinks that there are monsters under their bed or in their closets. He said “I wanna explore that. I wanna show that yes, the kids are correct and tell the story of why monsters are in the closet”. He’s constantly looking for these kinds of things.
You look people often times and they do something and you go “what were they thinking”? It’s like how a song gets stuck in your head and you just can’t get it out. Little quirky things like these that we all do with our emotions. Or there are certain emotions that seem to take us over: anger or happiness or when you start giggling and you can’t stop or something like that. He thought “I wanna take a look at that. I wanna to explain that”.
So, his ideas with the emotions of this little girl are the characters and it takes place in the head of this little girl and how they control things that go on. It’s very clever. It’s truly unlike anything you’ve ever seen.[...]
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N0QkA01GAY
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:54 pm
by leo_brasil
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:06 pm
by TheValentineBros
Excuse my English, but what's it translate to, because I don't speak Portuguese? Sorry.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:33 pm
by Kyle
The tile is already in English, its "The Inside Out"
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:36 pm
by Sotiris
After some research, I managed to find the source of this information. It was taken from an interview with Stefano Bethlen, the head of Theatrical Distribution & Marketing, Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures Italy, published in the December 2012 issue of the Italian e-magazine
Primissima.
Here's the exact quote in question (translated):
Q: Could we talk about the Pixar titles in the schedule?
Stefano Bethlen: In mid-June, there is the 3D edition of Monsters Inc., followed by the new Monsters University on August 21. On November 28, there is Planes, which is set in the same world of Cars, and on August 20, 2014 we have The Good Dinosaur. On October 22, the Marvel film Guardians of the Galaxy will be released and on August 26, 2015 we have another highly anticipated film, The Inside Out.
Source: http://www.primissima.it/cinema_news/sc ... star_wars/
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:55 pm
by TheValentineBros
Cool, thanks.
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:29 pm
by Sotiris
“The Untitled Pixar Movie That Takes You Inside the Mind,” with Pete Docter and Filipino-American and UST alumnus, Ronnie del Carmen, as director and co-director, respectively, remains untitled, John [Lasseter] confirmed. “We haven’t cleared the title yet,” John said of the film, due in 2015, which marks the first time that a Fil-Am is codirecting a Pixar feature. “It’s going along great.”
Source: http://entertainment.inquirer.net/65652 ... steve-jobs
We’ve now heard that the film is on the verge of getting an official title and that title is almost certainly going to be The Inside Out.
That title hasn’t yet been cleared, but it’s the one Pixar want. Barring any problems with getting the name okayed, we can probably expect it to be announced soon.
Source: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/12/02/ ... t-for-now/
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:25 pm
by Sotiris
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:14 pm
by estefan
That kind of reminds me of the Disney short "Reason and Emotion", what with the characters in the brain being spectators to the world outside.
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:38 pm
by Sotiris
Yeah, it reminds me of that too.
