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disneyprincess11 wrote:Sting's music was really good too. He was really mad at Disney for removing his music that he swore revenge!!! But, then Disney was like, "Ok, will it make you feel better if you write songs for the credits?" (Not in their words). He agreed and I guess he felt better.

Sting's wife filmed a documentary about the production of Kingdom of the Sun and recorded everything, including the moment Sting was told that his songs were being cut. It's called the Sweatbox I think but Disney own the rights to it meaning that we will probably never see it, especially because most of the content is apparently of the troubles the film had.

DisneyAnimation88 wrote:

disneyprincess11 wrote:Sting's music was really good too. He was really mad at Disney for removing his music that he swore revenge!!! But, then Disney was like, "Ok, will it make you feel better if you write songs for the credits?" (Not in their words). He agreed and I guess he felt better.

Sting's wife filmed a documentary about the production of Kingdom of the Sun and recorded everything, including the moment Sting was told that his songs were being cut. It's called the Sweatbox I think but Disney own the rights to it meaning that we will probably never see it, especially because most of the content is apparently of the troubles the film had.

Dang it. But, I can see why we may never see it. Really intense drama!

disneyprincess11 wrote:
Yeah, looking from the concept art, story, and the songs, it looked AMAZING! Not to mention that we would have a Hisipanic Disney Princess.

Wait there was suppose to be in princess in the KotS version? I never heard this either. is/was there concept arts of it? How you know about this?

I really wish we got to see the Kingdom of the Sun. I love TENG but KOTS sounds so cool. I wish Yzma got a song atleast. I mean Eartha Kitt voiced her it's a shame she never had a song in the film

Super Aurora wrote:

disneyprincess11 wrote:
Yeah, looking from the concept art, story, and the songs, it looked AMAZING! Not to mention that we would have a Hisipanic Disney Princess.

Wait there was suppose to be in princess in the KotS version? I never heard this either. is/was there concept arts of it? How you know about this?

Look at the end of the other page. It has a picture of her. Also, she isn't a princess, but a chambermaid engaged to Kuczo. But, she falls in love with Pacha (who's pretending to be Kuzco), so I don't know if she ends up marrying Kuczo (because he changes for the better) or Pacha (and still possibly add her to the Disney Princess lineup since she nearly became royalty).

disneyprincess11 wrote:Not to mention that we would have a Hisipanic Disney Princess.

Wouldn't she technically be Native American (as in Incan) as opposed to Hispanic? Kingdom of the Sun was supposed to be set before the Spanish came and conquered much of the Americas, of course...

Wonderlicious wrote:

disneyprincess11 wrote:Not to mention that we would have a Hisipanic Disney Princess.

Wouldn't she technically be Native American (as in Incan) as opposed to Hispanic? Kingdom of the Sun was supposed to be set before the Spanish came and conquered much of the Americas, of course...

Oh true, and I also found this on Wikipedia:

The emperor-llama learns humility in his new form, and even comes to love a girl llama-herder. Together, the girl and the llama set out to undo the witch's plans.

So either way, we would get a princess.

I don't think these have been added to this thread yet . . .

Song written for Who Discovered Roger Rabbit:

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Unused song for Kingdom of the Sun:

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disneyprincess11 wrote:

pap64 wrote:Oh man, I would have LOVED to have seen Disney's take on "Where the wild things are".

No offense to fans of the movie, but I thought the Spike Jonze version was too serious and melodramatic, almost like it was trying to get a best picture nomination.

I think a Disney animated version would have made it more magical, whimsical and heartwarming.

Instead we got a well shot but very cold movie...

Yeah, it looked really depressing. WTWT are would have been a great Disney movie.

And it isn't even the "good" kind of depressing. What do I mean by this?

Well, take Up. Up was indeed depressing, but it had a great mix of action, comedy and adventure, which balanced any dark elements the story would bring. It also had a very beautiful and uplifting message about living your life to the fullest regardless if your dreams are made real or not.

WTWW Are, though, is just depressing for the sake of depressing, like I said, a stunt made to attract a best picture nomination.

I look up information concerning Kingdom of the Sun, man Disney were assholes. No wonder many left Disney and Sting got furiously pissed. Not to mention that somehow Disney was able to get a hold of the documentary Sting's wife filmed and then never released it ever again.

disneyprincess11, Aurora in Sleeping Beauty got her name from the French version of Sleeping Beauty the film is based on. In the French version after the princess and prince get married they have a daughter and son and the daughter is named Aurora which means dawn, one of the most beautiful times of day. In the Russian Tchaikovsky ballet that the Disney film takes the music from, the princess is named Aurora, so they took that, too, so that she would have a name, lol.

I don't like the sound of Kingdom in the Sun if it's just some woman afraid of getting old does one of the stupidest ideas ever and tries to blot out the sun of all things and the rest is just the prince and the pauper Incan style. And I like The Emporer's New Groove, if only it weren't a Disney film because it's so much more like a spoofy Warner Bros thing, or maybe they could make it more Disney I dunno.

pap64, okay, so you're saying Where the Wild Things Are was trying to just be Oscar gold with it's malancholy? Well, I haevn't seen it, but I want to, and hear my out on why I think you should reconsider it even though I haven't seen it. I've heard the book is either about a loss of childhood joys, or a certain childhood sadness? And remember, feeling the beautiful sadness or deep feelings, even very sad ones, can be something we want to do in life, they can even be good for us. It's not just crying for the sake of it, it's deeply feeling another aspect of life, even a sad one.

Disney Duster wrote:disneyprincess11, Aurora in Sleeping Beauty got her name from the French version of Sleeping Beauty the film is based on. In the French version after the princess and prince get married they have a daughter and son and the daughter is named Aurora which means dawn, one of the most beautiful times of day. In the Russian Tchaikovsky ballet that the Disney film takes the music from, the princess is named Aurora, so they took that, too, so that she would have a name, lol.

I don't like the sound of Kingdom in the Sun if it's just some woman afraid of getting old does one of the stupidest ideas ever and tries to blot out the sun of all things and the rest is just the prince and the pauper Incan style. And I like The Emporer's New Groove, if only it weren't a Disney film because it's so much more like a spoofy Warner Bros thing, or maybe they could make it more Disney I dunno.

Yeah, I heard about that (Aurora's name). I did go through the Behind the Scenes footage when I was in middle school and saw that. But, I LOVE Emperor's New Groove!

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^^Best part!

Disney Duster wrote:okay, so you're saying Where the Wild Things Are was trying to just be Oscar gold with it's malancholy? Well, I haevn't seen it, but I want to, and hear my out on why I think you should reconsider it even though I haven't seen it. I've heard the book is either about a loss of childhood joys, or a certain childhood sadness? And remember, feeling the beautiful sadness or deep feelings, even very sad ones, can be something we want to do in life, they can even be good for us. It's not just crying for the sake of it, it's deeply feeling another aspect of life, even a sad one.

From what I could remember, the book was mainly about a kid who didn't agree with his mother and decides to sail away to an island. There he learns that his family is important and thus returns.

The movie IS about the loss of childhood innocence. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong by trying to bring darkness into a story as long as there is light that gives it meaning. Like I said, Disney has done it better. Pixar has done it better. Even when the movies get dark and depressing, there is always hope and you feel satisfied by it all.

Where the Wild Things Are TRIES to achieve this, but it tried to be too sophisticated and too adult in its narrative. In short, the movie is too adult for kids, but too childish for the adults. It's no wonder the movie did poorly in theaters. It tries to have a heart, but it is clouded by delusions of grandeur on behalf of the filmmakers.

They weren't exactly cancelled but I would have loved to have seen the full-length adaptations of Wind in the Willows and The Legend of Sleepy Hollow that Disney were planning before the war. I love the package film of the two shortened films but they do leave me thinking how much better two full-length features might have been.

In never saw the recent movie of Where the Wild Things Are, but I did see some theater production of it LONG time ago. All I can say is that it was fucking creepy as fuck.

Another couple of cancelled Disney films I remembered:

Wild Life - This is also in the book "Disney Lost and Found". I personally didn't like the sound of the film; it was a satire of the fashion industry and modern popular culture that was going to be Disney's first CG film. According to Floyd Norman, it was cancelled by Roy Disney when he was shown reels from the film for the first time, apparently because of a scene where two gay characters make an adult joke.

Fraidy Cat - This would have been a Clements/Musker film, a comedy spoof of Alfred Hitchcock films revolving around a spoiled housecat. According to Jim Hill, the early reels of the film were very good and many at Disney believed that the film had a lot of promise. Unfortunately David Stainton and the non-creative, finance-minded executives in charge of animation at the time didn't agree and wouldn't greenlight the film, believing that it had no commercial appeal to sell merchandise and that the comedic Hitchcock references would be lost on modern audiences who, according to them, would have no idea who Hitchcock was.

Of the two films, I really would have loved to have seen Fraidy Cat; it's an original idea and an inventive one to combine an animated Disney film with Hitchcock. I know some would say Hitchcock is "unDisney" but the film was essentially a spoof and a homage to the auteur from Clements and Musker. The artwork also looks very interesting so it's a shame the film fell victim to executives who had no sense of creativity or ability to recognise imaginative potential. I don't really like the artword for Wild Life nor the premise of the story so I can't say I'm too bothered that that film will probably never see the light of day.

Disney Duster wrote:I don't like the sound of Kingdom in the Sun if it's just some woman afraid of getting old does one of the stupidest ideas ever and tries to blot out the sun of all things

That’s the main reason I wish it had happened. It’s not like we haven’t had villainesses with stupid ideas before. Case in point--Cruella, who is arguably one of Disney’s best villains of all.

Plus, I'm sure almost anything with Eartha Kitt would've been amazing. She basically saved TENG by herself.

And I like that lyric from the deleted song, "Who great enough to be my enemy? Of course--the sun!" What an ego. That song is awesome, tbh, especially the intro.

Super Aurora wrote:In never saw the recent movie of Where the Wild Things Are, but I did see some theater production of it LONG time ago. All I can say is that it was fucking creepy as fuck.

My mother thought the same about the recent movie ads, and I agreed.

Disney's Divinity wrote:

Super Aurora wrote:In never saw the recent movie of Where the Wild Things Are, but I did see some theater production of it LONG time ago. All I can say is that it was fucking creepy as fuck.

My mother thought the same about the recent movie ads, and I agreed.

You agreed with who: me or your mom?


The theater one I saw was on video. Still creepy. The book wasn't creepy to me.

pap64, maybe, maybe, but I will see the film and see if I agree.

Divinity, okay, the song is awesome (though perhaps too dark with all the evil spirits coming out, like a much darker Friends on the Other Side!), but even then I still do not like the idea. I am at a loss because maybe it could have been more classic Disney than we did get, yet if they only Disneyfied the current one, which I like more. I swear I heard they were going for Warner Bros. intentionally with the current one.

Where the Wild Things are had monsters looking a little too creepy yet at the same time so much like the monsters from the book actually looking like they came to real life, so...I dunno, maybe if they cuted up the faces somehow.

DisneyDuster wrote:I swear I heard they were going for Warner Bros. intentionally with the current one.

Critics did compare it to a Warner Brothers film; I believe one said something like it was "the best Warner Brothers cartoon Disney has ever made" or something like that. But I don't think Disney tried to intentionally make it like a Warner Brothers cartoon. It started out as a dramatic film based on the Prince and the Pauper but studio politics transformed it into The Emperor's New Groove. I can see why someone would note the similarity but I don't think it's a bad thing; Disney tried to use a type of humour they hadn't used before and, for me, it worked really well.