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I personally think that Jackoleen said that Jiminy and Timothy were "sexy", which for most would mean physical attraction, when he/she was obviously turned on by their voices and personalities.

Now, I honestly dont get sickened by the moral characters. Granted, I even dont mind preachiness on Full House(but that's mostly because that show's very funny, IMO)

Unless you're talking about crappy TV/DTV movies. that changes everything.

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Timothy Mouse is too sexy for his pants! lol

Jackoleen wrote:I think that your point of view is actually quite intriguing, and quite interesting, as well.

I don't quite understand what you said about "Snow White", though. Did you mean that the dwarfs were willing to talk about the Queen in a brutally honest way, and/ or that they were willing to be bold (Ie: "Ask her what she's doin' here?", etc.), when Snow White would never have been that bold?

You're welcome, and thank you.

No, I said that the Dwarfs' had their sexualities completely stripped from them. Merely because they were so short that Snow White would chuckle, call them adorable, and assume they were children- ignoring their age and the qualities about them that made them inherently mature (hair color, elderly facial features- wrinkles, etc). As a matter of fact, the Queen is the only one who calls them "men."

The dwarfs were rather child-like, though. So even though Snwo White may have been wrong to call them children at first...inside, they really were like children. For all we know this was a way of speaking on Walt's ideas that adults are all really children inside.

But anyway, I always found Jiminy Cricket too moralizing, annoying, and most of all, mean to poor Pinocchio. I think I just realized one reason why people think the film is so great. Because there's all this disturbingness and even almost torture of a poor boy who was, frankly, just born yesterday! The film is ruthless too him, expecting him to be good and go after a freaking whale to save his dad when he's a poor little kid. I felt bad for the way they treated Pinocchio.

In fact, I wanted Pinocchio to go be bad, to go and be an an anarchist. Basically, I want him to do whatever he wanted because what he was doing was not hurting anyone. Nothing he did hurt anyone. You could say Gepetto was emotionally hurt his son didn't obey him, but parents need to understand their kids don't understand that they are hurting their parents when they disobey, and don't understand the reasons why they should obey. Pinocchio had needs, he needed fun and play in his life. He was so easily taken by people who manipulated him because they were smarter and more powerful than him. I remember they considered having a scene in the film with the Blue Fairy appearing when he first went with the Cat and the Fox and her saying something like "Oh, Pinocchio, so soon!" What a bitch! Pinocchio was an innocent kid corrupted by adults, going off to do what sounded like would make him happier! He wasn't a bad person! Kids are kids!

I wonder if Wonderlicious agrees with me?

I might as well throw in that since I was the same age as Pinocchio when I watched the film, I think I had a crush on him that I didn't know what it was. Yep, kids can be gay from birth alright.

Disney Duster wrote:I think I just realized one reason why people think the film is so great. Because there's all this disturbingness and even almost torture of a poor boy who was, frankly, just born yesterday! The film is ruthless too him, expecting him to be good and go after a freaking whale to save his dad when he's a poor little kid. I felt bad for the way they treated Pinocchio.

Except for Geppetto. I thought Geppetto was really great to Pinocchio--he loved him pretty unconditionally, and never really got mad. He was hurt at times at Pinocchio's behavior, but he didn't do that to manipulate him--he just seemed sincerely dismayed. It's no surprise that Pinocchio would go through an ocean to save his "father."

I think Geppetto's only flaw is that he couldn't protect Pinocchio, if you're watching the film literally. But if you look at the film figuratively, there's very little protection from the world that parents can offer to their children.

I've always identified with Geppetto, because I want to have children someday, of course, and I've always wanted to be a sincere, non-manipulative, loving parent. More than anything, I want to remember that children aren't property--they shouldn't be treated like pets that you can control.

I remember they considered having a scene in the film with the Blue Fairy appearing when he first went with the Cat and the Fox and her saying something like "Oh, Pinocchio, so soon!" What a bitch!

To the actual topic, there's very few characters that are that moralizing. And they're usually done in a fairly even-handed way. I would say the way the films/scenes are crafted can be more moralizing than individual characters--such as the "Colors of the Wind" sequence, "God Help the Outcasts" or Quasimodo's humiliation after "Topsy Turvy." I agree with the sentiments, but they can be preachy to a point of becoming excruciating.

ALL Sequels are too moral and sacchrinely sweet for me.

I dunno. I am more disturbed by this.

SPOILER ALERT FOR "PINOCCHIO", AND FOR "DUMBO"

Really? Was that necessary? You know the boat sinks at the end of Titanic? I did that without a spoiler notice too *gasp*

lol Siren you just have to get used to Jackoleen's style of posting

Jackoleen wrote:Well, actually Jiminy Cricket isn't THAT bad looking, and Timothy Mouse is fairly sexy looking for a mouse!

As somebody who apparently had a crush on Chip from Chip 'N Dale Rescue Rangers as a 7-year-old (I think it was the leather jacket that really hooked me), who I am to judge?

Disney Duster wrote:The dwarfs were rather child-like, though. So even though Snwo White may have been wrong to call them children at first...inside, they really were like children. For all we know this was a way of speaking on Walt's ideas that adults are all really children inside.

True / good point. Of course, I started out saying that I don't think Jiminy's interests were at all comparable to the Dwarfs'. Your reply has helped back me up. If these Dwarfs are children, then Jiminy is easily more "mature" than they are (though I don't consider flirting in general either childish or mature).

In general, I just think Snow White's assumptions make her look foolish (this is, of course, before the scene in the film that boils my blood- at that point, I have to take the film to task for bad decisions when it comes to how she treats the Dwarfs). I have no problem with Walt and company using this as a theme in the film. Though it didn't have to be so absurdly goofy- all the animals and the Dwarfs grinning like freaks. That's why the film has never been, in my opinion, one of Disney's best. They were still using Silly Symphonies stuff (and I watched a couple dozen of them last month- so I know) in the movie. Lots of cute-face posing and smiles to music.

I have always laughed at how Snow White assumes they are children, despite a pickaxe being present (I believe it was on the table). Yes, of course children live in a cottage and leave potential weapons laying around.

Chernabog_Rocks wrote:I have always laughed at how Snow White assumes they are children, despite a pickaxe being present (I believe it was on the table). Yes, of course children live in a cottage and leave potential weapons laying around.

All the bottles of dwarf Metamucil lying about would have probably tipped me off.

Chernabog_Rocks wrote:I have always laughed at how Snow White assumes they are children, despite a pickaxe being present (I believe it was on the table). Yes, of course children live in a cottage and leave potential weapons laying around.

They would if you let them. Sometimes I think they'd leave severed heads lying around if left to their own devices.

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Where in the film is Geppetto a not-so-nice guy? My interpretation of him was that as a toy-maker he'd spent his life making other people happy but never had the one thing that would make him happy. Where do you get the impression he's an outcast with psychotic, Carrie-like tendencies? I'm not necessarily saying that you're wrong but, while I know Pinocchio is a dark film in places, I never thought of it as quite that dark You have had some very interesting theories regarding different films and characters but I'm not quite sure Geppetto was intended to come across as a bitter, angry old man whose desire for a child has driven him to harbour some very disturbed thoughts.

DisneyAnimation88 wrote:Where in the film is Geppetto a not-so-nice guy? My interpretation of him was that as a toy-maker he'd spent his life making other people happy but never had the one thing that would make him happy. Where do you get the impression he's an outcast with psychotic, Carrie-like tendencies? I'm not necessarily saying that you're wrong but, while I know Pinocchio is a dark film in places, I never thought of it as quite that dark You have had some very interesting theories regarding different films and characters but I'm not quite sure Geppetto was intended to come across as a bitter, angry old man whose desire for a child has driven him to harbour some very disturbed thoughts.

Drew Carey

Rudy Matt wrote:

Chernabog_Rocks wrote:I have always laughed at how Snow White assumes they are children, despite a pickaxe being present (I believe it was on the table). Yes, of course children live in a cottage and leave potential weapons laying around.

They would if you let them. Sometimes I think they'd leave severed heads lying around if left to their own devices.

age discrimination at its finest.

If they were orphans thes kids would've been a bit more straight than most and at least try to acknowledge the dangers of using a pickaxe.

Jackoleen wrote:Dear Disney Enthusiasts,

Withe regards to "Snow White", the Queen is not actually the only character who calls the dwarfs "men". Remember when Snow White meets the dwarfs? She says, "Why, YOU'RE little MEN?" Of course, that's ALSO the ONLY occasion on which she calls them "men."

With regards to "Pinocchio", I never considered The Blue Fairy to be mean; in my opinion, she seems to have a rather businesslike, practical, wartime type of voice. Of course, I just finished watching the movie a few hours ago, and I made a few interesting observations.

Has anybody ELSE noticed that almost ALL of "the kindly wood-carver's" clocks depict some act of violence? Wow! We've got the turkey who's almost loosing his head, the little boy who's being spanked repeatedly by his mother, the guy who looks to be a self-harmer (He's nearly hitting himself in the face with something that's blue), etc. OMG! Has Gapetto got latent violent desires, or what? Is he literally an outcast, who KNOWS that he's disliked by everybody else, and he's desiring to pull a Carrie, or something, only he daren't do so, because he's known as "the kindly wood-carver"? Maybe all of the kids in his Northern Italian village just like, um, violent toys? Right. I'm shurr.

you're reading too deeply into Pinnocchio. Gheppetto has non-violent clocks too. Many dont even get cus. and only so many things can make loud noises. Plus, the BF mentioned that he made many people happy and deserved his wish.

PatrickvD wrote:

Jackoleen wrote:That being said, I can't believe that the sex appeal of both Jiminy Cricket and Timothy Mouse is still so unacknowledged. I mean, Jiminy Cricket had a mojo that could've set off every clock in Gepetto's shop, and Timothy Mouse was a confident, sexy mouse with a seductive, streetwise accent. I really don't understand how anybody could fail to understand those facts.

Because most of us are human and are generally turned on by other humans. I really don't understand that you don't understand that we're VERY creeped out by you. It's quite scary actually.

That's very true, Patrick. But STILL...

After reading Jackoleen's posts, I decided to look around on the internet a bit. There's a huge amount of animated 'Disney porn' on the net (which shouldn't surprise anyone, since every geek's niche can be found online) and most of it is about the Disney princesses (obviously), BUT...

and this creeps me the fuck out...

there's also animated pornographic images online of Disney's *animal* characters. (Even human characters having it on with animal characters.) I wondered who would ever get turned on by this. Then I remembered Jackoleen...

Obviously I won't give out any links here.