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The Lizard King wrote:

Lars Vermundsberget wrote:Complete Pluto is perfect for a Treasures set - about the same number of shorts as The Complete Goofy.

I HIGHLY doubt it if one short, Pluto's Dream House, arrives unedited for the Treasures Wave 4. Having Pluto in blackface saying, "Mammy," is probably going to get chopped somehow. Having said this though, I'm pretty sure that I will plonk down my hard-earned cash for The Complete Pluto DVD set when it's released despite me having Pluto's Dream House unedited on LD (and naturally DVD-R ).

For those of you who think that the shorts from the Treasures DVD sets are all unedited, take at closer look at Clock Cleaners from Mickey Mouse in Living Color and Three Little Pigs from Silly Symphonies.

TLK

Still, "Clock Cleaners" is UNedited on the "Alice in Wonderland" Masterpiece DVD and the original version of "The Three Little Pigs" has been included in the international versions of the "Silly Symphonies" DVD.

Is the release date for wave 4 of Disney Tresures still on schedule for a December 04 release or has this slipped due to the delay in the wave 3 release?

I think so. I hope so! I would hate to wait longer! But it would give me some time to save up for it!

What scene are you referring to w/ The Little Pigs? Will it be made available as an unedited piece anywhere in the US?

-Aaron

awallaceunc wrote:What scene are you referring to w/ The Little Pigs? Will it be made available as an unedited piece anywhere in the US?

-Aaron

From IMBd:

In the original release, the film included a scene in which the Wolf disguises himself as a Jewish peddler. Later releases, from about the 1940s on, featured an alternate version of the scene in which the Wolf is not disguised.

As for the original version being available in the USA, I have no idea!

I believe a LD release in Japan had it unedited. If you're really hard up to see the scene, it's in Maltin's commentary as he intros Pigs in his section of the Silly Symphonies Treasure DVD.

The scene is available when Leonard Maltin is talking about it. However, Walt Disney himself removed the scene in subsequent releases of the short. You can see exactly how it worked when Maltin is explaining the controversy over the scene.

Joe Carioca wrote:Still, "Clock Cleaners" is UNedited on the "Alice in Wonderland" Masterpiece DVD <snip>

This is simply not true! The Clock Cleaners on the Alice Masterpiece DVD is the exact same clip from the exact same unrestored film elements included in the Alice Archive LD Box Set. Granted, the putative, "F*** you!" and "You Son of a B****!" ARE there, but the entire tangent of Mickey trying (in vain) to get the nesting stork out of the clock tower is MISSING from the Alice DVD/LD version of Clock Cleaners.

TLK

MPeriolat wrote:I believe a LD release in Japan had it unedited.

This is true for ONE Japanese version, yes.

MPeriolat wrote:If you're really hard up to see the scene, it's in Maltin's commentary as he intros Pigs in his section of the Silly Symphonies Treasure DVD.

Yes, if you don't mind only watching about 5 seconds of this part WITH Maltin babbling over the dialog.

TLK

Loomis wrote:Is it just me or does this topic seem to come up at least once a month?

Well, you need to do something to escape the Disney/Roy/Comcast/Muppets/Ei$ner talk all the time

The Lizard King wrote:I HIGHLY doubt it if one short, Pluto's Dream House, arrives unedited for the Treasures Wave 4. Having Pluto in blackface saying, "Mammy," is probably going to get chopped somehow.

I don't see why this would be edited. Plute does the same thing in 1931's Mickey Steps Out on the Mickey Mouse in Black and White set. Hopefully, this doesn't get changed if it is in fact slated to be released.

The Lizard King wrote:

Joe Carioca wrote:Still, "Clock Cleaners" is UNedited on the "Alice in Wonderland" Masterpiece DVD <snip>

This is simply not true! The Clock Cleaners on the Alice Masterpiece DVD is the exact same clip from the exact same unrestored film elements included in the Alice Archive LD Box Set. Granted, the putative, "F*** you!" and "You Son of a B****!" ARE there, but the entire tangent of Mickey trying (in vain) to get the nesting stork out of the clock tower is MISSING from the Alice DVD/LD version of Clock Cleaners.

TLK

Oh, I'm sorry... I was talking about the Donald line, but I forgot to mention that the scene with Mickey and the stork is edited, as are the credits.

Do you ever think Mickey's Meller Drammer will make it on DVD?

That one won't be let out of the vault until decades after Song of the South I bet!

I seem to remember the Jewish peddler thing from the video tape I watched as a kid. If I still have it, I'll watch and see.

-Aaron

Razor Roman wrote:Do you ever think Mickey's Meller Drammer will make it on DVD?

That one won't be let out of the vault until decades after Song of the South I bet!

I really hope it will make it into next years expected Treasure Tin of Mickey Mouse in B & W - it´s a funny cartoon and not so harmful as many people state. And if they let this go out of the vault - it could be a sign that Song of the South is on it´s way too.

Tannerman wrote:

Loomis wrote:Is it just me or does this topic seem to come up at least once a month?

Well, you need to do something to escape the Disney/Roy/Comcast/Muppets/Ei$ner talk all the time

That's true...and it is better than the previous theme of the board:
"Inserts and their Various Absences"

Chernabog wrote:

Razor Roman wrote:Do you ever think Mickey's Meller Drammer will make it on DVD?

That one won't be let out of the vault until decades after Song of the South I bet!

I really hope it will make it into next years expected Treasure Tin of Mickey Mouse in B & W - it´s a funny cartoon and not so harmful as many people state. And if they let this go out of the vault - it could be a sign that Song of the South is on it´s way too.

I'm no so sure. Mainly becasue Disney are holding back on releasing Song of the South. I would be insane for Disney to hold back on the (almost*) harmless SotS while releasing Mickey's MellerDrammer (which from the single screenshot I have seen look like it has much more potential to offend than SotS).

I guess it could be released if the supplements went into more detail about it's historical and cultural significance. Somehow I think it will need more than a brief Maltin introduction...

* I personlly don't see anything offensive in SotS, but I accept some people may.

For some reason I highly doubt DOnald said this becuase when the cartoon was made the words were not commonplace

2099net wrote:
I'm no so sure. Mainly becasue Disney are holding back on releasing Song of the South. I would be insane for Disney to hold back on the (almost*) harmless SotS while releasing Mickey's MellerDrammer (which from the single screenshot I have seen look like it has much more potential to offend than SotS).

I guess it could be released if the supplements went into more detail about it's historical and cultural significance. Somehow I think it will need more than a brief Maltin introduction...

Yeah, but then again, SotS is much more high-profile release than a single cartoon on the Mickey compilation. There is a great amount of EXTERNAL pressure exerted on Disney to not release SotS, whereas the holding back of Mickey's MellerDrammer seems to be an internal decision of Disney? Or was there some debate I'm not aware of?

At any rate, I agree that more than the "default" Maltin introduction is probably needed from the description I have read here. However, I am totally against the supression of any piece of animation, simply because of the current climate of Disney animation, the past is more important than ever!

Mickey's Mellerdrammer is not "that" offensive - it is Mickey and the gang doing a play based on the book "Uncle Tom's Cabin". It is one of my favorites of the black and white Mickey Mouse cartoons. There are numerous Mickey Mouse black and white cartoons that are much more offensive as far as black racial stereotypes - "Trader Mickey" is one of the most offensive.

Since there were 74 black and white Mickey Mouse cartoons (by my count) and there were only 32 of them on the Volume 1 set (again by my count - plus Minnie's Yoo Hoo), it would not surprise me if Volume 2 only had 30 or so cartoons, with the cartoons with the worst of the racial/ethnic stereotype scenes being left out for a "future" Volume 3...which would never be released.