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Wow, what a cool lady

Im waiting in serious aniticipation of the new video .... I've heard its a bit more low key than Romance and Telephone .... still going to be epic though, I'm sure !!

Did Lady Gaga rip-off Madonna? The only original thing from her new single, "Born This Way" are the lyrics. Anyways the new single is still catchy.

Lady Gaga's 'Born This Way': Vogue Yourself
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Since this is a discussion, I'll give my opinion: it's not at all what I was either expecting or would've wanted. It's very soulful, I'll give it that. Her singing is striking and beautiful. But the sound of the music doesn't make much of an impression. It's too standard pop. And if she's trying to be rockier than usual, it doesn't punch. It lacks the club thrust and the rock grind. This is going to be a single? A sad choice. Also, the image somehow reminds of Tina Turner or an 80's rock chick. Sorta Debbie Harry or Terri Nunn, maybe. Scandal / Patty Smythe? Astrid Plane from Animotion?

Oh blah. There's definitely a similarity (there's also a similarity to "Express Yourself"), but it's not a rip-off. Plus, I really don't like "Vogue," while "Born This Way" is at least moderately good to me.

I'm definitely looking forward to this next album. I just wish it wasn't until May. Especially since she said she was mostly done a year ago.

Lately, I've been listening to her CDs again (let's be honest, I never stopped), and The Fame Monster far and away > The Fame, though I like them both. Also, I've come to really love "Telephone," but "Teeth" is still weird as hell.

I listened to the preview on iTunes and I have to say I'm rather unimpressed. I like a handful of her songs on The Fame and all of the songs on The Fame Monster (except Teeth; it's so weird). Born This Way seems a little generic and somewhat non-GaGa. Of course, I did only listen to about half of the song, but still, it just doesn't seem to be all that great. But apparently it's the fastest selling single in iTunes history, so she must be doing something right.

TheSequelOfDisney wrote:But apparently it's the fastest selling single in iTunes history, so she must be doing something right.

Unforunately, I don't think amount of downloads really says what people think of the song. I think it's Bad Romance, Poker Face, and all her other songs are what made people wait and try out Born This Way.

Here is my opinion on this song: Awesome lyrics. When I read it on her website before the song was released, I was so excited. The melody has grown on me but at first it was really bad. I too thought of Madonna's 'Express Yourself' but that's only because she uses two beats/instruments which Madonna also uses. Listening to 'Bad Romance' and 'Poker Face', I wish she went for something more unique and more her. But now, I don't even think of Madonna! There are parts of the song I just LOVE: the beginning with how her mom telling her we're all born superstars, where she calls to everyone and their diversities, and the chorus of course! "Oh! Hey! Ain't no other way. Baby I was born this way!"

You know that it was only time before I chimed in on "Lady Gag-Gag". I am sorry, but I guess I am too old to even begin to see where the talent is. She is nothing more than a 'sweet painted lady' and I will question the 'lady' part of that.

Her music is somewhere between what I liked about Madonna, and what I hate about "Glee". To me, she is very limited in what she can do vocally, and if she is trying to be a 'rocker' then she needs to give her music some more bottom end, and some punchiness.

I don't see the draw here, and I am sure that it is just because of my age, but I will avoid her and Justin Bieber like the plague on the music world that they are.

dvdjunkie wrote:You know that it was only time before I chimed in on "Lady Gag-Gag". I am sorry, but I guess I am too old to even begin to see where the talent is. She is nothing more than a 'sweet painted lady' and I will question the 'lady' part of that.

Her music is somewhere between what I liked about Madonna, and what I hate about "Glee". To me, she is very limited in what she can do vocally, and if she is trying to be a 'rocker' then she needs to give her music some more bottom end, and some punchiness.

I don't see the draw here, and I am sure that it is just because of my age, but I will avoid her and Justin Bieber like the plague on the music world that they are.

I think we'll have to wait and see how the rest of the album turns out before we start making - or listening to - claims such as that. She started her career doing performance shows to rock songs. Dress and dance to other artists' songs. As it happens, she's a huge fan of Iron Maiden, David Bowie, Queen, Marilyn Manson, etc. She's probably trying to incorporate a rockier side into the music slowly. To build up an interest in the people who any other way prefer something hipper (Rihanna was the last pop girl/lady I can remember who made grinding guitars hip: "Shut Up and Drive"). Although the funniest thing is that she made music beyond the now and it took everyone else almost a year to catch up. (She was obscure for the first 3 entire months following the release of The Fame, making the irony even more perfect).

Either way, you should really show some respect to the fans. Especially people who very well may share your intense (and understandable) hatred for Glee. As I do. I will not have Lady Gaga compared to that in my presence. And furthermore, I don't appreciate anyone telling us there is some standard of being a woman that women in America must conform to. Who cares what you think a lady is? This is music- not a flipping tea party in Victorian England!

dvdjunkie wrote: Her music is somewhere between what I liked about Madonna, and what I hate about "Glee". To me, she is very limited in what she can do vocally

To laud Madonna, and criticize Gaga for being "limited" vocally in the same paragraph =

Also, I'm glad Gaga likes Glee--she gave them the rights to "Born This Way" before it was even released. <3

I like Madonna's singing! I guess I don't care as much about vocal range as I do that whatever keys she choices, she sings okay in them. Actually, even that's a bit high-nosed for me. I just like the music and the fact that she's not singing like a chipmunk or with her voice in a tunnel.

Of course she's going to "like" Glee, she couldn't afford to cut off that market by disliking it. Don't worry, I would never question her moral motives- she's shockingly open hearted in nearly everything she does. Too bad, really, because that means in the end she's almost glorifying the dead-end rich and glamorous life the majority of her listeners can't afford.

Gaga@Grammys was just as underwhelming as BTW imo.

I wish people would stop hyping her up so her releases/performances can be a genuine surprise again

If you guys want my honest opinion on all of this, brace yourself.

I confess that I am not a big Lady Gaga fan, however I do like some of her songs as huge guilty pleasures. They are fun to sign and make fun of.

That said, the Twitter feed for her is insane. Whether its good or bad, that's all everybody is talking about. I mean, here I thought Bieber was going to be the focus of the night, and instead its all Gaga. Gaga this, Gaga that.

I am not one to antagonize trends and comments on social networks as people have the right to say whatever they want. However, it's amazing how much the haters keep twitting or talking about her on Facebook. I mean, if they hate her so much why keep paying attention to her. Isn't that giving her more credit to her popularity? If you don't care about Gaga why keep bringing her up to the public eye?

It's silly. I had to avoid the social networks as not even the super bowl got this insane amount of attention, much less this divisive.

Twitter sucks.

What he said.

About the egg thing… And the meat dress thing… Sometimes it’s hard to defend her against people that dismiss her because of those things. I mean, I will always like Gaga and her music, and I do take her more seriously than, say, someone like Katy Perry who only survives because of the “no, she didn‘t“ factor, but I really wish she wouldn’t do these things. *exasperated*

Disney's Divinity wrote:About the egg thing… And the meat dress thing… Sometimes it’s hard to defend her against people that dismiss her because of those things.

Every time I hear criticism on those things, I immediately go into Björk and the swan dress. In short: who cares what people wear? Who says there is an established code of dress celebrities have to follow? And why are we giving them the time of day in the first place? People who get uptight over conceptual clothing are worthless to the arena of music criticism.

Lazario wrote:Twitter sucks.

Right on BRO!















LADY GAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

Lazario wrote:who cares what people wear? Who says there is an established code of dress celebrities have to follow? And why are we giving them the time of day in the first place? People who get uptight over conceptual clothing are worthless to the arena of music criticism.

I don't hate her because of those things. I just find myself wondering WHY?

One thing that really bugs me about music today is that it isn't about the music anymore. It's all about the elaborate dance routines, crazy costumes, insane special effects, etc. Music, for me, is about enjoying the SONG. Not the music video, not the dance routine, not the costume, not how great it is to dance to (I don't like to dance, but I know this appeals to some people). For me, it is about the melody, vocals, and lyrics. And to me, those are all equally important. (Okay, well, vocals are a little less important, because you don't have to be a great singer to have composed a fantastic song.)

And that brings me to another one of my pet peeves: artists who don't write their own songs. I don't know if Lady Gaga does or not, but music- for the artist- should be about expressing yourself through the lyrics and melody. And how can you do that if you didn't compose it?

Scarred4life wrote:

Lazario wrote:who cares what people wear? Who says there is an established code of dress celebrities have to follow? And why are we giving them the time of day in the first place? People who get uptight over conceptual clothing are worthless to the arena of music criticism.

I don't hate her because of those things. I just find myself wondering WHY?

One thing that really bugs me about music today is that it isn't about the music anymore. It's all about the elaborate dance routines, crazy costumes, insane special effects, etc. Music, for me, is about enjoying the SONG. Not the music video, not the dance routine, not the costume, not how great it is to dance to (I don't like to dance, but I know this appeals to some people). For me, it is about the melody, vocals, and lyrics. And to me, those are all equally important. (Okay, well, vocals are a little less important, because you don't have to be a great singer to have composed a fantastic song.)

And that brings me to another one of my pet peeves: artists who don't write their own songs. I don't know if Lady Gaga does or not, but music- for the artist- should be about expressing yourself through the lyrics and melody. And how can you do that if you didn't compose it?

I admit I've been attracted to a lot of artists because of their videos. It's how I discovered Marilyn Manson and Björk and a big part of why I kept loving them for at least 5 years into finding them (I didn't really find Björk until 1998) when they started making less music for whatever reason.

But this is WAY BEFORE Lady Gaga. And Lady Gaga isn't any better to me because of her fashion- I'm just sick and tired of people judging her because of it. She's not crazy, she's just devoted to the concept of her music and she likes to dress up... Why? Well, I can't really read her mind or anything. So, I assume it's because she loves to play to the crowds. From what I've heard about her, she has no sense of self inside. That leaves a lot of people thinking she's hollow. That she has nothing to express. That she's just a mirror that reflects back what people put into her. Sometimes, I think one of the reasons she dresses eccentrically is because she knows (it's not like it's a big secret or anything) that the world is way too uptight about things like that. Like there has to be a point to everything and people can't do something just for the hell of it- just because they find it fun (oh, except love sports and drink alcohol; double standard much?).

Anyway, as for what you said...

You do realize historically that music has been composed just for dancing and performances, right? Ballet is one. Opera is another. As for music videos- don't you believe there's a craft to that kind of thing? In the early 1980's, Madonna did a panel discussion with John Oates (from Hall & Oates) about music videos and how they would change music. He was afraid all music would change and she said that most artists keep the music they make in a studio separate from the ideas they have for videos. I believe that's still the way most people do things. Are you actually criticising music videos for being... good? Too elaborate? People can still do whatever they want when they're making one. As for artists you think don't write their own music anymore these days... um: ever hear of Milli Vanilli? And that was at least 22 years ago. How about: The Monkees? 1966. And that was at least 44 years ago. Lots of popular music is written by someone else. But I know Lady Gaga writes at least most of her own music, lyrics and all. In fact, she started out her professional career writing songs for others (this isn't new: Missy Elliot was a famous producer for hip-hop artists before she released her own solo in 1997). She wrote for The Pussycat Dolls, Fergie, New Kids on the Block, and Britney Spears.

As for music for dancing... Well, I guess some people like to move and some just stand still. (I dunno. But you won't ever hear me complaining about music made for dancing!)

I was so very dissapointed by this track !! I believed all the hype beforehand ... so just kind of set myself up for dissapointment I suppose. I much prefer 'Express Yourself' !

And that MASSIVE goof she made about Madonna ?? Did she think Madge wouldnt hear about it ?!

http://www.heatworld.com/Celeb-News/201 ... ga-a-liar/

Oh dear.......

As much as I dislike GaGa and I wish that was true, I don't think it is. I mean, some explanation will be given soon and we will know, but why would she lie? She has absolutely no need for Madonna's approval, she is massively successful as it is. The only reason I could think of would be that she would like controversy about the blatant rip-off for publicity; but like I said, she doesn't need it.