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Margos wrote:And Goliath, if you haven't seen TPatF yet, do it as soon as you possibly can. It's well worth it, and then you'll see the real reason why a lot of people are voting for it.

I'm planning on seeing it as soon as it comes out in The Netherlands (which won't be until at least februari, I think).

I think those polls for other decades have been already done, a long time ago.

My list would be

1) The Princess And The Frog
2) Atlantis: The Lost Empire
3) Lilo and Stitch
4) Fantasia 2000
5) The Emperor's New Groove
6) Treasure Planet
7) Meet The Robinsons
Dinosaur
9) Bolt
10) Brother Bear
11) Chicken Little
12) Home On The Range

Goliath wrote: I'm planning on seeing it as soon as it comes out in The Netherlands (which won't be until at least februari, I think).
I think those polls for other decades have been already done, a long time ago.

You poor thing! I keep forgetting how long it takes for movies to get to other countries sometimes.....

Anyway, it sucks that I missed those polls... You know, I think I'd have a hard time with some of those decades. I think I'd have to say:

30s: Snow White and the Seven Dwarves (Obviously )
40s: Fantasia (But Bambi's a really close second)
50s: Cinderella (but it almost tied with Alice in Wonderland)
60s: The Sword in the Stone (Not my favorite decade, I'll admit)
70s: The Rescuers (I guess... another weaker decade all things considered)
80s: The Little Mermaid (I had The Black Cauldron here, until I remembered that TLM was the only renaissance movie released in the 80s )
90s: Beauty and the Beast (My favorite decade... very tough decision between BatB and THoND, especially!)

My favorites are PatF and Fantasia 2000. I really don't see why Fantasia gets hated for it's celebrity intros. They were short, sweet, to-the-point, and provided a good transition. Anyone care to explain?

Dragonlion wrote:My favorites are PatF and Fantasia 2000. I really don't see why Fantasia gets hated for it's celebrity intros. They were short, sweet, to-the-point, and provided a good transition. Anyone care to explain?

Huh, I wasn't aware that it was being hated on! I liked them, too. Not really as much as having one single person narrate, like in the original, but I thought they were pretty good. My favorite part, though, is how you can see some of the concept art for "Destino" before they show the Steadfast Tin Soldier segment.

Dragonlion wrote:My favorites are PatF and Fantasia 2000. I really don't see why Fantasia gets hated for it's celebrity intros. They were short, sweet, to-the-point, and provided a good transition. Anyone care to explain?

Well, every person may have a different reason for disliking the celebrity intros but my personal reasons are:

1) At least half of them have no musical backgrounds at all (most of them don't have a background in orchestra), don't talk about music and have no reason to be there
2) Having a bunch of different people come and go is just distracting, like the bad jokes
3) They are incredibly different in their approach and feel of their intro, killing the nice constancy of the original
4) Most of them don't present their segment with class (some very juvenile for such a work of art)

Quite frankly, they should've just had James Levine host the whole thing (I enjoyed his the most). James Earl Jones, despite having nothing to do with music, would be nice too (with his voice and class), anything but the jumbled distraction of celebrities they currently have. The celebrity intros take from the quality of the segments that follow, which are art, and it feels like we're about to watch some DTV sequel with their intro tacked on.

I still haven't seen Princess and the Frog, hopefully next week when I have 3 days off. I thought they were all good, but my 3 favourites so far are:

Fantasia 2000
Brother Bear
Meet the Robinsons

Meet the Robinsons.

Lilo & Stitch being a close second, with The Princess and the Frog rounding out the top 3.

Rather than rank them all, I'm listing my top five:

1. Meet the Robinsons (2007) - I don't know why, but this film really resonated with me and I could really connect with Lewis and his loneliness, his desire to understand more about his past, along with the final realisation to keep moving forward. It's become a movie I hold dear to my heart for a variety of reasons.

2. Lilo & Stitch (2002) - this is proof that Disney doesn't need fairy tales or splashy musicals to make money. They made a huge mistake letting Chris Sanders go.

3. Chicken Little (2005) - it's a rather unpopular opinion to like Chicken Little or regard it so highly. I don't have the opinion simply to be "different". I have the opinion because I genuinely believe that it's a good film. I enjoy the characters, I enjoy the story, I enjoy the animation. It satisfies me and what I like in a movie, and that's what's important. I will still like it regardless of its medium, regardless of it's studio's history, and regardless of what anyone else thinks the movie is or isn't.

4. The Emperor's New Groove (2000) - a genuinely funny movie and another one that proves Disney does not need to follow a formula in order to produce an effective film. While it essentially does borrow from buddy films and the whole "Protagonist + Sidekick versus. Villain + Comic Henchman" aspect of previous Disney films, it does so in a way that allows it to feel fresh and original as well as damn good comedy.

5. Treasure Planet (2002) - it does its job of telling the whole Treasure Island story in a different setting and time period, whilst also being true to the book's adventurous plotlines, and adding more heart in the personal journey of Jim. A lot of people are turned off by the blend of CGI and traditional animation, but I think it works wonders in this film, especially given how they wanted to tell the story.

albert

I was actually the first person to vote when this thread was made, but I was too tired to make a post. That might be the one and only time I see Treasure Planet at 100%.

1. Treasure Planet ~ Yes, the CGI is terrible (which is incredibly hilarious, considering they spent so much money trying to integrate it; with horrible results), the sidekicks are annoying (except for Morph, loved him), and some of the characters were miscast (imo), but Jim Hawkins is such a sweet and sympathetic character that I love love love this movie. Gordon-Levitt did a great job, and the character's design and animation was really well-done. "I'm Still Here" is one of my favorite Disney scenes and John Silver is a rather unconventional antagonist, another shining point.
2. The Princess and the Frog ~ This movie doesn't really need to try hard to be at number 2, because I don't have a strong affinity to most of the 2000's films. It probably wouldn't do as well if placed alongside the 90s, but here it's like a "diamond in the rough."
3. The Emporer's New Groove ~ Yzma and Kronk keep this movie from drowning. Though I love John Goodman and I think David Spade did a good job, the protagonists were plain boring. I'm so glad Earth Kitt got to play such a superb Disney character before passing (Yzma has some excellent animation, btw). And still sometimes I really wonder what this movie could've been if it had been The Kingdom in the Sun; that still sounds like a great movie to me (and it's different enough from TENG that, who knows, it could end up coming true in 20-30 years).
4. Meet the Robinsons ~ Really liked this movie, easily the best CGI film Disney's had. I think the only negative thing about this movie is the middle, where the pointlessly large, one-liner, Pixar-like cast takes over. But the main characters are pretty good and the ending was perfect (one of the few to actually make me teary every time I see it).
5. Lilo & Stitch ~ I have actually had an unexplainable hatred for this movie for a long time, but watching it recently I liked it a tad better than before. I don't know, the sci-fi thing really turned me off. That, and Lilo being a brat the whole movie. She sometimes looks like that Sesame muppet Ernie, or whatever his name was. So, Elvis, sci-fi, and an annoying main character all bring this movie down for me personally, though Nani and David are strong characters. I also felt the ending, with Stitch's "hug-me" speech (combined with sappy voice), was over-done, becoming forced and hardly emotional.
6. Atlantis: The Lost Empire ~ Unlike with Meet the Robinsons and countless Pixar films, the large cast here is done properly, each having a personality/role and all being likable. Even Mrs. Packard is hilarious to me. The background characters and the animation definitely excel in this movie. Though it's hard to make up for a bland main character and an overly complex plot (it seemed like it was trying to be complex just for the sake of it, coming off a bit ridiculus). Still, it's overall a likable film for me.
7. Dinosaur ~ I've actually always liked this movie. I think the problems it has are the lemurs and a Land Before Time plotline. But I can often overlook that because of Joan Plowright and Della Reese(yay!)'s characters. (HOLY CRAP! I was just glancing over the wikipedia page and found out that Samuel Wright was in this movie--I'm a little ashamed to not have known that! He must've done a pretty good job if I didn't even recognize him here)
8. Home on the Range ~ I enjoy the animation most in this film. Also, Menken's music is, of course, a highlight, though he never gets a chance to really shine here. Unlike most people it seems, I actually found the yodeling cowboy villain (and his nephew-sidekicks) to be the only interesting part of the film; they were completely hilarious. The cows, however, are just blah. It's funny that I generally like all three of the voice actors (Judi Dench, Jennifer Tilly, and even Roseanne Barr), but they seem incredibly horrid in this movie. Really miscast, I think. Though that might be because it was just a bad film--maybe they could've played the roles well given better material.
9. Bolt ~ I didn't really like this movie. The hamster/gerbil needed to die, the cat was totally miscast (with an ugly design), and the story was so been-there-done-that in other, better films. I have to admit that I liked Bolt a lot though, and Travolta did a pretty good job voicing him. But, even here, I still don't think Disney's been strong with their 3D output. There's still this kind of stiffness at times (particularly with the boardroom scene where the woman in charge is threatening to nix the show) that you don't find in Pixar films. I actually think they did somewhat better with Meet the Robinsons, animation-wise.

Brother Bear and Chicken Little are both so bad, they don't even deserve to be on this list. And I have nothing against Fantasia 2000, but I really never felt enough for it or the original to think of what to say about it. I like it, I just don't think of it in the same terms as other films. It's more like watching Pixar's Shorts. Not really a movie, so much as an animation extravaganza.

The best- Princess and the Frog
The worst- Chicken Little
All of the rest are just whatever.

Treasure Planet!!!!
Though, I haven't seen TPatF yet.

1. Lilo & Stitch
2. Brother Bear
3. The Emperor's New Groove
4. Fantasia 2000
5. Bolt
6. The Princess and the Frog
7. Treasure Planet
8. Atlantis: The Lost Empire
9. Meet the Robinsons
10. Home on the Range
11. Dinosaur
12. Chicken Little

I picked Lilo and Stitch just because when it came out it got me back into Disney. After Mulan, my family just stopped going to see Disney movies. When Lilo and Stich came out on DVD, I watched it and was amazed! I loved the warmth of it and the story and the characters and the theme and...well everything! I was in grade 7 (so I think I was 13) at the time and I remember in Drama everyone had to do a drama tribute to their favourite movie and I did one on Lilo and Stitch. My teacher was so surprised a thirteen year old did something on Disney since everyone around that age tries to be cool (and I was fairly popular, at least I think I was ). I even did my seventh grade speech on Hawaii and used the special feauture on the DVD as a source. Its story is just amazing to me!

1) Lilo and Stitch
2) Princess and the Frog
3) Bolt
4) Brother Bear
5) The Emperor's New Groove
6) Meet the Robinsons
7) Atlantis
8 ) Dinosaur
9) Chicken Little (the only one I hate on this list)

Fantasia 2000 - I didn't put on this list for the sole reason that I haven't seen it yet. Actually (and I'm a very bad Disney fan because of this) I haven't seen both Fanatsias... It's not that I have nothing against it, it's just I haven't had to opportunity to watch them. And with the new editions coming out, I figured I can wait until they're release. Same with Treasure Planet, I haven't been able to see it although I plan to but it within the next couple of weeks. (I only became a real fan last year so I had no intentions before last year to watch every Disney movie...I know tsk tsk )

Okay, finally saw the Princess and the Frog, and I loved it and found it to be pretty underrated (going by what I had read on forums like this one). I ended up choosing it above Lilo and Stitch for fave 2000's film. Not because it is new, but because I LOVE princess/fairytale type stories, LOVED the music, loved the villain and even loved the prince (who was hilarious as a frog). I still love Lilo and Stitch and the others I mentioned, but I gotta go with Princess and the Frog for best.

jpanimation wrote: Well, every person may have a different reason for disliking the celebrity intros but my personal reasons are:

1) At least half of them have no musical backgrounds at all (most of them don't have a background in orchestra), don't talk about music and have no reason to be there
2) Having a bunch of different people come and go is just distracting, like the bad jokes
3) They are incredibly different in their approach and feel of their intro, killing the nice constancy of the original
4) Most of them don't present their segment with class (some very juvenile for such a work of art)

Quite frankly, they should've just had James Levine host the whole thing (I enjoyed his the most). James Earl Jones, despite having nothing to do with music, would be nice too (with his voice and class), anything but the jumbled distraction of celebrities they currently have. The celebrity intros take from the quality of the segments that follow, which are art, and it feels like we're about to watch some DTV sequel with their intro tacked on.

I have to agree a lot with this statement.

Escapay wrote:1. Meet the Robinsons (2007) - I don't know why, but this film really resonated with me and I could really connect with Lewis and his loneliness, his desire to understand more about his past, along with the final realisation to keep moving forward. It's become a movie I hold dear to my heart for a variety of reasons.

I know. I agree with every word you said about the movie.


Ok, I'm not going to bother rating them as some of them(5 of em) I haven't seen yet but here are my opinions on each regardless.

Treasure PlanetThis is one of em I haven't seen yet. from what I heard and seen from pictures and such, I'm really understanding the radical setting and time of it being in space. This is coming from a sc-fi lover. And seeing what the characters look like, none of them seem like someone I would like or care for. Only one I seems to like from looks of it is Jim's mother.

The Princess and the Frog Movie was great but I wouldn't say it's "best thing ever". The movie moved along way too quickly from songs to songs. Naveen nor Dr. Facilier even get a proper introduction, but cameo popup in Down in New Orleans. The relationship between Tiana and Naveen was well played and one of the more better romance relationship development in Disney. I wish though the relationship build up wasn't all too much on when they were frogs. I dunno felt like they were totally different characters.
I felt Ray was a come-and-go sidekick. His death never really affect me all that much. I thought Louis was enough of a sidekick. Mama Odie, imo was a waste. The frogs went there all for nothing except some cliche moral. I do thought she's funny and her snake too. Just didn't feel she really was necessary for the story.
Now Charlotte and Dr.Facilier were a hoot! I think these two stole the show for me. Charlotte was just hilarious clever and full of personality. Dr. Facilier, although wish he had bit more screen time, is one of the few Disney Villains I love. His scheme, his shadows, the voodoo, his death, i like it all.

The Emporer's New Groove Now been awhile since I saw this movie, but from what I remember, I really like it. The songs by Sting were "eh", nothing too outstanding, but the humor and story was cleverly well played. I agree the main characters weren't all that interesting. Kronk and Yzma really stole the show. They take the villain road to new and interesting road. Hell I'd probably wouldn't really consider them villains. So great but nothing that captured me too much.

Meet the Robinsons When I first saw promotions and trailers to this movie, I felt turned off by it. But when I saw it on TV not too long ago, boy was I wrong. This is probably one of the few disney movies that really captured me. The story, the characters, everything was just great. Louis' resolve to learn about his past and the future. The 'Move Forward' message, everything really made me love it.

Lilo & Stitch I know and I can see why people like this movie a lot. Not a bad movie either. But it isn't a movie that really dug me in. Again, I wasn't all thrill with way the sci-fi was handled(I don't find Disney a good choice in doing Sci-Fi). Jumba and Pleakey, weren't really interesting alien designs and Pleakey was annoying. I also felt turn off with the elvis music. I know this was suppose to show that it was in the 50's but could of done it another way. It just wasn't a movie that catches me all that much.

Atlantis: The Lost Empire I actually love this movie a lot. I like almost all the characters(Milo only one that made me go meh). I felt the large cast was handled very well and was able to shine in their personality and interacting with one another.
I like Rouke and Helga (the villain) too. Weren't over the top(i.e. Malificant or Jafar), yet they were able feel like serious-fucking business. Rouke was guy who hold no barrel and was very calculating without having it implicating it like most Disney Villains. I also like that, like Frollo, they were villains that weren't over the top in design and felt real. Helga was great in that she was a villain that was able to redeem herself near end.
I found Kida to be a real princess as in actually fulfilling a real role of a princess and handling business well, not the usual damsel that in it for love or any individual wishes. She was a strong woman who had to protect her people and think of them before herself. She truly filled role of a leader.

Dinosaur this movie actually bored me to death. I don't even know what the hell the story was about.....


Home on the Range This is another movie I've yet to see, and judging from seeing clips of that yodeling Cowboy and various reviews of the movie, I wish not to see this movie probably forever.

Bolt-Again another movie I've yet too see. From trailers, it doesn't grab me all that much, and I'm not fan of dog centered movies. Dogs are overrated. Plus Miley-fucking-Cyrus is in it. The damn whore.

Brother Bear I haven't seen this movie either. I heard mixed reviews on this one, both here and elsewhere. Might see it. I dunno.

Chicken Little Disney already made a Chicken Little cartoon back in 40's. Why they need to make an animated cgi movie out of it? Felt like the movie should of been replaced with another better potential movie.

Super Aurora! Watch the language! There are children who could be poking around here!

My pick would have to be Treasure Planet. Runner up's would have been The Emperor's New Groove and Bolt.

Excellent:
1. Treasure Planet
2. The Emperor's New Groove
3. Bolt

Great:
4. Meet the Robinsons
5. Fantasia 2000
6. Atlantis: The Lost Empire

Good:
7. Home on the Range
8. Brother Bear

Okay:
9. Dinosaur
10. Lilo & Stitch

Bad:
11. Chicken Little

Have not seen The Princess and the Frog yet, it has not been released to cinemas in Norway yet.

I've avoided posting in this thread as I can't pick between 3 of these for a favorite but here's my rough list:

1. Lilo and Stitch
2. Treasure Planet
3. The Emperor's New Groove
4. Fantasia 2000
5. The Princess and the Frog
6. Bolt
7. Atlantis: The Lost Empire (haven't seen in in a long time though)
8. Brother Bear
9. Dinosaur (again long time since I've seen it)
10. Home on the Range
11. Meet the Robinsons
12. Chicken Little

DisneyJedi wrote:Super Aurora! Watch the language! There are children who could be poking around here!

What did he say?

Super Aurora wrote:I also felt turn off with the elvis music. I know this was suppose to show that it was in the 50's but could of done it another way. It just wasn't a movie that catches me all that much.

Lilo & Stitch is definitly not set in the 1950's. Just look at the car Cobra Bubbles is driving. And I think Cobra is also using a cell phone. The character's clothes also are contemporary.

By the way: thanks for spoiling PatF for me with your revelations about which characters die in the film.