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milojthatch wrote: I can defiantly agree with that. I believe comic books and their characters should have an element of fun, something the Nolan Batman lacks.

Watch a film like "Iron Man" or the "Spider-Man" films, they have that element to them. Batman film before had it too, but thanks to Nolan, are loosing it.

I know a lot of other people are looking forward to the next Nolan film, but I fear based on Dark Knight it will be so dark the hero we once stood behind will be but a child's dream and memory.

You're making the mistake that every comic book (and therefore every adaptation of it) should be the same. Batman has been a dark and brooding character since the 70's, so it's a big part of the history. The element of fun, as you say it, were visible in the 60's series and Schumacher's movies and those were horrible. I'm glad Nolan gave his own vision to Batman. Making a lighter and funnier Batman is just as wrong as making a dark, brooding and realistic Spider-Man. They can't be compared, as they're completely different.

But there's a difference between a light and funny Batman and a hyper-realistic one. For what it's worth, I liked both Nolan's films (though if I had to choose I'd pick the Burton ones over them), but it does bug me a little that Nolan is creating a Batman universe where a good majority of the villains can no longer fit. Like, I thought Nolan's use of Ra's al Ghul was interesting, but if he doesn't have the Lazarus pits, he's not really Ra's al Ghul in my book.

I must respectfully disagree about the villians in Nolan's films. I find them being grounded in reality makes them 10 times more terrifying, because these types of villians actually exist in our world, to an extent. I always hated how the TV show and the Burton movie showed the Joker as a genuinely funny guy with some scary moments, or how Two-Face really was a gimmick and not really a well developed villian. These versions are much more terrifying IMO. My only regret is we'll never see an R-Rated Scarecrow or Joker.

Mooky wrote:
As for animated films:
1. The Batman/Superman Movie: World's Finest (yes, I know it's just a compilation of three "Superman: TAS" episodes)
2. Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker
3. Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman
4. Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero
5. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
6. Batman Beyond: The Movie (another compilation)
7. The Batman vs. Dracula (good movie, silly title)

Hmm, this seems like a pretty low ranking for Mask of the Phantasm. It's your list, but I'm just saying.

^^ That's because I've seen it only once, a long time ago, so I ranked it based on what I remembered about it. And just to clear things out, I wouldn't rate any of the animated Batman films lower than a 7/10, they are all great to me.

SpringHeelJack wrote:But there's a difference between a light and funny Batman and a hyper-realistic one. For what it's worth, I liked both Nolan's films (though if I had to choose I'd pick the Burton ones over them), but it does bug me a little that Nolan is creating a Batman universe where a good majority of the villains can no longer fit. Like, I thought Nolan's use of Ra's al Ghul was interesting, but if he doesn't have the Lazarus pits, he's not really Ra's al Ghul in my book.

I agree.

Disney-Fan wrote:I must respectfully disagree about the villians in Nolan's films. I find them being grounded in reality makes them 10 times more terrifying, because these types of villians actually exist in our world, to an extent. I always hated how the TV show and the Burton movie showed the Joker as a genuinely funny guy with some scary moments, or how Two-Face really was a gimmick and not really a well developed villian. These versions are much more terrifying IMO. My only regret is we'll never see an R-Rated Scarecrow or Joker.

Well, all that is in my opinion pushing Batman further into exploitation-thriller territory rather than fantasy. And superheroes are creations from the world of fantasy. And I didn't know the comic books were made to scare people.