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Music is better than words
You break the spell when you start to speak
That technique is all wrong
Just forget about words and sing her a song



albert

I was so enjoying this thread and am disappointed to see it driving off-course.

Several of the comments in this thread have veered into the unacceptable territory of personal attacks. When stating your opinion or responding to others, please be sure that you address opinions and not people when being critical. You should not personify your disagreements. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.

Please refer to the Forum Guidelines for guidance (or a refresher).

As far as this thread specifically is concerned, the topic invites all users to post the albums they consider to be the best and anyone is allowed to do just that.

I advise everyone participating in the current discussion to think first and use discretion when posting as the thread moves forward. Consider this a warning.

I am continuing to work on my personal list of the best albums of the decade and will post it here once I'm done.

Thanks,

Aaron

2000: Britney Spears - Oops!...I Did It Again
2001: Britney Spears - Britney
2002: P!nk - Mizzundastood
2003: Britney Spears - In the Zone
2004: Ashlee Simpson - Autobiography (shoot me)
2005: Ashlee Simpson - I Am Me (again, please)
2006: Gwen Stefani - The Sweet Escape
2007: Britney Spears - Blackout
2008: Britney Spears - Circus
2009: Lady Gaga - The Fame Monster

Britney's albums have literally been my most played albums for each year she's released one. But for whatever reason, I went through a phase where I pretended I hated her during the Blackout era. Perhaps it was my way of conforming with the rest of society? Either way, it was dumb of me.

MutantEnemy wrote:It is a fool's errand to criticize something as subjective as music!

I whole-heartedly agree. And it's a completely different thing from movies and television. They're both artforms. But music is almost never used to appeal to a person's intellect. Have you ever heard; "It's got a good narrative and you can think to it" ever used to describe a song?

Most of today's music criticism is focused on things that are so trivial and irritatingly irrelevant. I almost can't help but feel like that whole "teeny bopper music sucks" of the 90's (now: "tween") is the same as the people who couldn't stand rock n' roll when that first came out. And jazz before that. Hating what speaks to the next generation of music fans because it's so different. I think the criticism of all the Britney's and Christina's and Mandy's of pop music is yet another incarnation of: "I don't get it." But you'll never hear anyone admit that it's a matter of not understanding the music's appeal.

Ting Ting wrote:2004: Ashlee Simpson - Autobiography (shoot me)
2005: Ashlee Simpson - I Am Me (again, please)

You got it.
What's your home address?

Ting Ting wrote:2004: Ashlee Simpson - Autobiography (shoot me)
2005: Ashlee Simpson - I Am Me (again, please)

Sorry, I have to let you live - one of my all time favorite albums is 0304 by Jewel.

Ting Ting wrote: I went through a phase where I pretended I hated her during the Blackout era.

Who didn't? I think I posted somewhere in the Legendary Britney Spears thread that "she didn't deserve second, third, fourth chances" or something to that effect. It was a very difficult time to be a Britney fan! I don't think anyone would have judged you for not accepting crazy behavior as correct.

To be honest, I think rock music of the past 10 years (I'll even go as far as to say 20 years) for the most part has been less than impressive. There are exceptions though. I think it has to do with the emergence of alternative rock as I haven't been impressed with any alternative rock band or singer I've come across. On the flip side, I haven't been impressed with synthesized pop/electropop either. Same goes for American Idol contestants. I like a lot of pop but that I don't.

I'll work on a list and post it later.

The_Iceflash wrote:To be honest, I think rock music of the past 10 years (I'll even go as far as to say 20 years) for the most part has been less than impressive. There are exceptions though.

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MutantEnemy wrote:

Ting Ting wrote: I went through a phase where I pretended I hated her during the Blackout era.

Who didn't?

Me.

MutantEnemy wrote:I think I posted somewhere in the Legendary Britney Spears thread that "she didn't deserve second, third, fourth chances" or something to that effect. It was a very difficult time to be a Britney fan! I don't think anyone would have judged you for not accepting crazy behavior as correct.

Count me as one of the few who actually liked her better during that whole thing was going on. She was more interesting to me, personally. Everyone likes her cleancut. I like her when she's more real. When she did "Piece of Me," I actually had to recognize that she had a brain. Previous to that, I never would have known. Her music was so... Typical. Bland. Predictable. One-Dimensional. Attitude without much to back it up, other than a gym-built body. Little humor. Little awareness of anything important. You could dance to it. But you were a little embarrassed to be caught listening to it in front of other people.

MutantEnemy wrote:Goliath, forgive me but I think you are way off base here. The thread title is Best Albums of the Decade: 2000-2009! -- meaning what UD thinks are the best albums of this decade!

No, you confuse "favorite" with "best". I'm still surprised how so many people can't see the difference. Look, there's a thread on UD with the title "Favorite movies of the decade". I will post titles in there that are not the best movies per sé, but then again, that's not what was being asked. If they had asked "The best movies of the decade?", I would have given an entirely different list. You see, what you *prefer* doesn't have to be the best. And what's the best, is not neccessarily what you like.

MutantEnemy wrote:If we wanted to post what every pretentious music snob thinks is great we could direct you to Rolling Stones list and the like.

You mean, people who actually know what good music is? Oh, I just LOVE how people with knowledge, expertise and taste get trashed on every forum by being called "pretentious snob"! It makes the person writing that look so insecure of his own opinions.

MutantEnemy wrote:I think it's extremely rude to bash people for the music they like. You may live and breathe music, but to others like myself, music is just music, if it is pleasant sounding and has a good beat we like it! Not all music is meant to be the second coming of Christ!

I'm not bashing people! Where did I bash people? I bash their musical preferences. That's a different thing entirely. Unless you define yourself by your musical preferences. And frankly, that would be pathetic.

MutantEnemy wrote:I see your type on forums all the time

Hold it, hold it... I'm "a type"? Well, good doctor, please tell me, what *is* my "type" and how did you recognize me so soon? You, who don't know me at all?

MutantEnemy wrote:- arguing for the sake of arguing- and I have to ask you, what is the point? It is a fool's errand to criticize something as subjective as music!

Oh, I'm sorry! I thought this was a discussion forum! Stupid me!

MutantEnemy wrote:What exactly do you like, because it seems like you hate everything but Gargoyles!?!

What do I like? I like Disney's animated classics; I like Disney's comics (huge in Europe); I like Disney's music. Besides Disney, I like all types of movies, old and new, Hollywood or artfilms, all genres (except horror).

In music, I like Bob Dylan a lot, and The Beatles, Simon & Garfunkel, Bruce Springsteen, Boudewijn de Groot (Dutch singer-songwriter), Pink Floyd and a lot more. I also like a lot of more recent music, but I keep forgetting names (I listen to the radio a lot).

I also like to read about history and politics and to engage in political discussion. People call me a news-junkie.

In television, there's little in fiction that still holds my attention. The series I like have all ended or have been cancelled, like Life, The West Wing, Twin Peaks, The Sopranos, Frasier, Friends. The only series I like now is Mad Men.

I also like to enjoy a good meal, a glass of fine beer and a beautiful woman once in a while.

Oh, and I like to laugh about people on internet forums who pretend they know me and have figured me out.

Goliath wrote:

MutantEnemy wrote:Goliath, forgive me but I think you are way off base here. The thread title is Best Albums of the Decade: 2000-2009! -- meaning what UD thinks are the best albums of this decade!

No, you confuse "favorite" with "best". I'm still surprised how so many people can't see the difference. Look, there's a thread on UD with the title "Favorite movies of the decade". I will post titles in there that are not the best movies per sé, but then again, that's not what was being asked. If they had asked "The best movies of the decade?", I would have given an entirely different list. You see, what you *prefer* doesn't have to be the best. And what's the best, is not neccessarily what you like.

MutantEnemy wrote:If we wanted to post what every pretentious music snob thinks is great we could direct you to Rolling Stones list and the like.

You mean, people who actually know what good music is? Oh, I just LOVE how people with knowledge, expertise and taste get trashed on every forum by being called "pretentious snob"! It makes the person writing that look so insecure of his own opinions.

MutantEnemy wrote:I think it's extremely rude to bash people for the music they like. You may live and breathe music, but to others like myself, music is just music, if it is pleasant sounding and has a good beat we like it! Not all music is meant to be the second coming of Christ!

I'm not bashing people! Where did I bash people? I bash their musical preferences. That's a different thing entirely. Unless you define yourself by your musical preferences. And frankly, that would be pathetic.

MutantEnemy wrote:I see your type on forums all the time

Hold it, hold it... I'm "a type"? Well, good doctor, please tell me, what *is* my "type" and how did you recognize me so soon? You, who don't know me at all?

MutantEnemy wrote:- arguing for the sake of arguing- and I have to ask you, what is the point? It is a fool's errand to criticize something as subjective as music!

Oh, I'm sorry! I thought this was a discussion forum! Stupid me!

MutantEnemy wrote:What exactly do you like, because it seems like you hate everything but Gargoyles!?!

What do I like? I like Disney's animated classics; I like Disney's comics (huge in Europe); I like Disney's music. Besides Disney, I like all types of movies, old and new, Hollywood or artfilms, all genres (except horror).

In music, I like Bob Dylan a lot, and The Beatles, Simon & Garfunkel, Bruce Springsteen, Boudewijn de Groot (Dutch singer-songwriter), Pink Floyd and a lot more. I also like a lot of more recent music, but I keep forgetting names (I listen to the radio a lot).

I also like to read about history and politics and to engage in political discussion. People call me a news-junkie.

In television, there's little in fiction that still holds my attention. The series I like have all ended or have been cancelled, like Life, The West Wing, Twin Peaks, The Sopranos, Frasier, Friends. The only series I like now is Mad Men.

I also like to enjoy a good meal, a glass of fine beer and a beautiful woman once in a while.

Oh, and I like to laugh about people on internet forums who pretend they know me and have figured me out.

Since any smart person could see I was trying to engage you in serious discussion about music only to have you ignore me (), I'll dispense with any further muggings for attention (y'know, other than this one) and just make shortwork of what you're bound to get later by quoting... Aaron :

I was so enjoying this thread and am disappointed to see it driving off-course.

Several of the comments in this thread have veered into the unacceptable territory of personal attacks. When stating your opinion or responding to others, please be sure that you address opinions and not people when being critical. You should not personify your disagreements. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.

Please refer to the Forum Guidelines for guidance (or a refresher).

As far as this thread specifically is concerned, the topic invites all users to post the albums they consider to be the best and anyone is allowed to do just that.

I advise everyone participating in the current discussion to think first and use discretion when posting as the thread moves forward. Consider this a warning.

I am continuing to work on my personal list of the best albums of the decade and will post it here once I'm done.

Thanks,
Aaron

How'd ya miss this post, G?

Let me translate it for you (because the man clearly speaks a language different than my own - ask him, if you get him in a candid mood, he'll surely agree):

Stop saying things to people that you know they don't want to hear.

Lazario wrote:Does that go for the rap artists too?

No seriously - does it?

I know little about rap music. The only thing I know, is the so-called "gangsta rap" I see on music stations sometimes while flipping the channels. But I've unerstood from people that there's also a lot of other rap music out there, which does have actual sustance to it. So I can't judge it.

Lazario wrote:This isn't that same old, tired, deadhorse-beating "if it's not guitars and drums, it's not real music" bull is it??

Oh no, I didn't say or mean that. And maybe people got the wrong impression from my post. I also listen to music which would, rightfully, be described as 'simple', or 'easy listening', but:

a.) I would never claim it's the best in music
b.) it doesn't include television talentscouting rejects or music meant for teenage girls

A good example is Ilse De Lange, a famous Dutch singer, who sings in English by the way, who makes upbeat, generally optimistic music, with quite simple lyrics. But she's not made big by a tv show (with texting public) or a big marketing campaign. She has worked for 10 years to be at the top herself. And that's the difference. She's an authentic, genuine musician.

Ilse De Lange- So Incredible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJwAFi3CW5E

Lazario wrote:

MutantEnemy wrote:It is a fool's errand to criticize something as subjective as music!

I whole-heartedly agree. And it's a completely different thing from movies and television. They're both artforms. But music is almost never used to appeal to a person's intellect. Have you ever heard; "It's got a good narrative and you can think to it" ever used to describe a song?

I disagree. Obviously, you've never listen to a Bob Dylan- or Simon & Garfunkel-song. (And there are tons of other examples.) Music can be an art-form too. I don't see how they're different from movies and television. Movies and television don't only appeal to intellect either (more often than not they don't). But, just like music, they *can*.

Lazario wrote:[...] I almost can't help but feel like that whole "teeny bopper music sucks" of the 90's (now: "tween") is the same as the people who couldn't stand rock n' roll when that first came out. [...] Hating what speaks to the next generation of music fans because it's so different. I think the criticism of all the Britney's and Christina's and Mandy's of pop music is yet another incarnation of: "I don't get it." But you'll never hear anyone admit that it's a matter of not understanding the music's appeal.

Why would I, or anyobe else, "admit" to that? That's a strawman you're using. A lazy excuse for not having to debate about the musical qualities of the "tween music". Just say that the other person doesn't "get it" and you're done. Wow, that's easy! Never mind that they all sing the same and sound the same and can only do two types of songs.

As far as Aaron's post goes: I respond to posts in the order I read them. Since his post is on page 2, I read it only later. But if I read him correctly, he's saying that "personal attacks" are not allowed. Of course personal attacks are not allowed. But if I made just one personal attack in this thread, I'd like to see it. Didn't Aaron say there's a difference between discussing opinions and attacking people? And doesn't that prove my point?

*Edited to add comments.

Goliath wrote:I know little about rap music. The only thing I know, is the so-called "gangsta rap" I see on music stations sometimes while flipping the channels.

I'm not really looking anymore... but I haven't seen genuine gangsta rap come out in a long time. It's probably me being out of touch with current trends, but the last time I paid attention, all the gangstas turned Party Rap. Beanie's and Bow Wow's and Yoyo's. Rap tracks on Rugrats movie soundtracks. Common doing techno-pop. Snoop Dogg singing. Ludicris's "eccentric" self-aggrandizing ("Area Codes"). Silly b.s. ("Drop It Like It's Hot"), and a long string of novelty songs (beginning in the 90's with "Back That Thang Up" and "The Thong Song") leading to rap's current state. Last I noticed, it was cheap and ridiculous. Rather than serious. It is a very big genre, though. I don't blame anyone for not bothering to keep up with it.

Goliath wrote:

Lazario wrote:This isn't that same old, tired, deadhorse-beating "if it's not guitars and drums, it's not real music" bull is it?

Oh no, I didn't say or mean that. And maybe people got the wrong impression from my post. I also listen to music which would, rightfully, be described as 'simple', or 'easy listening', but:

a.) I would never claim it's the best in music
b.) it doesn't include television talentscouting rejects or music meant for teenage girls

What a nice way of putting it. I don't disagree with you either. A lot of music aimed toward kids are often made by kids / teens (New Kids on the Block, Britney Spears - at one time, Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers, Aaron Carter, Hanson, Ashlee Simpson, Cleopatra). In that case, talent is not the issue. It's the sleazy business parctices (often accompanied with/by Showbiz Parents shenanigans) and rabid consumerism to blame for shoving every kid who thinks they can sing and can somehow form a group in our faces.

Goliath wrote:

Lazario wrote: I whole-heartedly agree. And it's a completely different thing from movies and television. They're both artforms. But music is almost never used to appeal to a person's intellect. Have you ever heard; "It's got a good narrative and you can think to it" ever used to describe a song?

I disagree. Obviously, you've never listen to a Bob Dylan- or Simon & Garfunkel-song.

As a matter of fact, you aren't wrong with that statement. I haven't. That I know of. Call it willful ignorance. I plain old never saw the appeal of those artists. Nor did I ever find myself alone with any of their CD's and an overwhelming urge to give 'em a spin.

Goliath wrote:Music can be an art-form too. I don't see how they're different from movies and television. Movies and television don't only appeal to intellect either (more often than not they don't). But, just like music, they *can*.

There is a definite difference between them both. I relate it to the obvious. Music moves you and it's best appreciated when you do. With films, you basically have to stay still and pay attention. And that is pretty obvious. Which is probably why you don't agree. I know there's more to it, but on a fundamental level- you know when you do and don't like the music you're listening to. There are a lot of different elements mixed into the sound, but it comes together to make the sound. And people are really basic about what music they do and don't like hearing. Movies require a lot more thought to appreciate. Unless they're stupid films. Or... "simple" films. The cinematic equivalent to elevator music?

Goliath wrote:

Lazario wrote:I almost can't help but feel like that whole "teeny bopper music sucks" of the 90's (now: "tween") is the same as the people who couldn't stand rock n' roll when that first came out. [...] Hating what speaks to the next generation of music fans because it's so different. I think the criticism of all the Britney's and Christina's and Mandy's of pop music is yet another incarnation of: "I don't get it." But you'll never hear anyone admit that it's a matter of not understanding the music's appeal.

Why would I, or anyobe else, "admit" to that? That's a strawman you're using. A lazy excuse for not having to debate about the musical qualities of the "tween music". Just say that the other person doesn't "get it" and you're done. Wow, that's easy! Never mind that they all sing the same and sound the same and can only do two types of songs.

There's a very good explanation for why I am doing that (and I don't deny you're right, I am lazy, and I am doing what you say I'm doing):

I don't care. What people think about the teeny-bopper or tween music. Or why they think what they think. We all know what it is and why it exists. All that's left to do is to decide whether you want to hear it or not.

I personally don't like most of the new "tween" music enough to keep up with it as a genre. So, I ignore it. Very easy for me, I mean: who have I got to answer to for not liking it? But it also doesn't bother me very much. When I was a teenager, I went out of my way to listen to music no one else did or knew about. And I think that opened my mind up to amazing worlds of music that laid between the main genres everyone else got their music from. Almost everyone else. Everyone looked at me as the one who listened to "weird" music. Wasn't that weird. Maybe more like outdated, according to the passing trends of 90's alternative. I picked up what they forgot about and the music they never paid attention to (Whale, Boss Hog, Veruca Salt, Cibo Matto, Tracy Bonham, Luscious Jackson, Imperial Teen, Moloko, Imani Coppola, Elastica, Broadcast, Hooverphonic, Poe, The Dandy Warhols, Lamb, Bikini Kill, Merrie Amsterburg, Bratmobile, Ethyl Meatplow, etc).

Goliath wrote:As far as Aaron's post goes: I respond to posts in the order I read them. Since his post is on page 2, I read it only later. But if I read him correctly, he's saying that "personal attacks" are not allowed. Of course personal attacks are not allowed. But if I made just one personal attack in this thread, I'd like to see it. Didn't Aaron say there's a difference between discussing opinions and attacking people? And doesn't that prove my point?

I may be stepping into hot water with this one... but, ahdda hell with it:

What I meant is that- Aaron's definition of what is and isn't a personal attack differs from case to case, based on what bothers the more sensitive of any two disagreeing members. He's like the ultimate "I never thought of it that way" guy. And the rules change thereby-according to whatever is irritating the more sensitive member. If you say one more thing that You Know the more sensitive member doesn't want to hear, whether it's an actual "attack" or just... well, this is an ideal example:

Goliath wrote:

DisneyFreak5282 wrote:This is the second thread that I have created in which you have come into and criticized me and others for liking something that you didn't, and quite frankly, I'm getting a little sick of it.

Aaaw, poor you. I hope you feel better soon.

A little bit of mocking because you disapprove of the way they're answering back to you.

Though, again, I'm a little bit rusty. When it comes to any rule enforcement- I don't think anyone here has gotten in trouble since I was banned and then allowed to come back (I begged- I admit it).

Well, I don't buy much music, and if I do these days (which is rarely) I tend to buy individual downloads in MP3 format. Anyhow... some stand-out albums I have purchased are:

Here I Am [Marion Raven] 2005

Stand-out Track: Six Feet Under

An absolutely stunning album. Incredibly adult - full of songs brimming over with real emotions. Some songs are surprisingly angry, but the full range on the album covers self-loathing, revenge, apology, hope, acceptance and (of course) love. This is something only a true singer-songwriter can do - create and sing songs reflecting on their own experiences and emotions and you can feel the intimacy in the lyrics and inflections.

Marion Raven is perhaps best known as half of the "girl group" M2M. I use quotes around the words girl group as even then, their songs and lyrics had a depth and maturity unseen in the typical teenage/early 20's "pop" star or act.

I'm disappointed that her last album (Set Me Free) only has a few new tracks, with the rest being recordings from Here I Am. I do understand she's had sales/record company issues though (which totally baffles me. Why this isn't selling, but so many bland, inter-changeable, non-emotion singles/albums do is a question I just can't answer).

Poor Man's Son [Frankie Perez] 2003

Stand-Out Track: Angel Park

Again, a stunning album, I purchased on a whim after hearing one of his tracks on a videogame ("Cecilia" in Project Gotham Racing 2 if you're interested) and I didn't regret it. While I can say that perhaps some of the tracks on the album aren't ones I would listen to by choice necessary, they do work to "bind" the album together - something we're missing in this day and age of digital downloads. You can tell all of the songs on this album have been carefully ordered to create a whole and satisfying listening experience.

And the tracks I would (and do) listen to in isolation are superb. In fact, my favourite track from the album keeps changing.

Fundamental [Pet Shop Boys] 2006

Stand-out Track: Integral

We overlook the importance of the Pet Shop Boys so much. Without doubt they have been a huge influence on music for the past two decades. And I'm pleased to say that Fundamental was another triumph for the duo. Filled with the Boys' unique signature sounds, Fundamental also includes helpings of both humourous and more serious political satire. And like Poor Mans' Son is clearly designed to be a single, strong coherent album.

The War of the Worlds 7 Disc Collectors Edition [Jeff Wayne] 2005

Stand-Out Track: Thunder Child

A bit of a cheat this, being as its only remastered recordings of the original, a few bonus tracks of various spin-offs (such as radio edits and dance remixes) and recording outtakes and more. To top it off, one disc is a DVD with a documentary and the two discs of the actual musical are hybrid CD/SACD allowing you to listen to the tracks in 5.1 sound on a SACD player (such as an early PS3). Superb - the ultimate presentation of a fantastic musical/concept album.

Silent Hill: Original Game Soundtack [Akira Yomaoka] 2001

Stand-Out Track: Laura Plays the Piano

Music has been important in all the Silent Hill games, and each game has a soundtrack written by Akira Yomaoka. While all are superb, the music (like everything else making up the game) excels in Silent Hill 2. You may mock but there's some deeply haunting and (at times) deeply unnerving sounds here - but somehow, even the harsh, cold, hard... almost industrial noise making up some of the more disturbing tracks still has its own aural beauty. And considering its a soundtrack to a videogame, it plays incredibly well simply as a CD, no knowledge of the game required.

Once in a Lifetime Box Set [Talking Heads] 2003

Stand-Out Track: Love For Sale

I suppose this too is a cheat, like War of the Worlds, being as its basically a compilation album - the ultimate Talking Heads compilation. Three discs of what I can only describe as sheer musical genius. However, much as I love Talking Heads, I feel David Byrne did his best work in the first few years away from Talking Heads (His Uh-Oh album I consider one of the best albums of all time). A definitive David Byrne box set would be most welcome.

Eurovision Song Contest 2006: Athens [Various] 2006

Stand-Out Track: No No Never (Texas Lightning)

It's easy to knock the ESC, but occasionally it unearths absolute gems. Sometimes, it even unearths a slew of outstanding tracks. The 2006 contest was one such year - there's some outstanding tracks on this double CD. I believe 2006 was a stand-out year for the content. And yes, there's some rubbish on this release too, but say what you will about those tracks, they can't be called bland or boring (unlike most of today's mainstream music).

And yes, I like Daz Sampson's Teenage Life entry for the UK. So there. I'm convinced its an under appreciated masterpiece full of hidden depth.

To Steer things back on course:

I can't breakdown in to years cause I can't remember when certain discs were released exactly, but here are some highlights:

Pink "I'm Not Dead". Easily her most listenable CD. "M!ssundztood" is the one the gets the most praise, but after "18 Wheeler" finishes playing I tend to turn it off. I just prefer Pink's hyper fast songs to her slow dramatic ones.

Maroon5 "Songs About Jane". Maroon5 gets a lot of slack, maybe it's deserved, maybe it isn't. Maybe I just have weird taste in music, but I love this CD. "It Won't be Soon Before Long" is also very listenable, but "...Jane" is their best work to date.

Evanescence "Fallen". Ben Moody must have been the brains of the operation because when he left the band the music started to suck. I don't even remember what the second album is called, but I know I hate it. "Fallen" is emo to the tenth degree, but Amy Lee sounds honest when she sings unlike most other emo-tastic Pop bands (I'm looking at you My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy). One of few albums that I can honestly say I like every song on. Though the "Origin LP" version of "Imaginary" is 100 times better than cut featured on this disc.

Aerosmith "Just Push Play". They call it Aerosmith's worst album to date, but it's still Aerosmith damn it!

The Killers "Hot Fuss". Amazing. 'nuff said.

Rob Thomas "Something to Be". Though it has a lot of filler, Matchbox Twenty's lead singer still has a lot of really good songs on his solo debut.

Weezer "Make Believe" Unjustly called the worst album of their career. I have played this CD more times than any other Weezer disc (and I own them all).

I grow tired of typing (I just worked a 12 hour shift, give me a break) so here's some more stand outs:

Lady Gaga "The Fame"
No Doubt "Rocksteady"
Alanis Morissette "Under Rug Swept"
Fountains of Wayne "Welcome Interstate Managers"
Missy Elliott "Under Construction"
Dido "Life For Rent"
Green Day "American Idiot"
Black Eyed Peas "Elephunk"
Linkin Park "Meteora"
Nelly Furtado "Loose"

2099net wrote:Stand-out Track:

Dang! Forgot about that.

2000: Hooverphonic - The Magnificent Tree

Standout(s): "Pink Fluffy Dinosaurs," "Mad About You," "Autoharp," "Everytime We Live Together We Die a Bit More"

2000: Bratmobile - Ladies, Women, and Girls

Standout(s): "Gimme Brains," "It's Common (But We Don't Talk About It)," "Do You Like Me Like That?," "Cheap Trick Record"

2001: Bjork - Vespertine

Standout(s): "Pagan Poetry," "Cocoon," "Unison," "Hidden Place," "Aurora," "Undo," "An Echo, a Stain"

2001: Vitamin C - More

Standout(s): "Busted," "Dangerous Girl," "I Can't Say No," "She Talks About Love," "Real Life"

2002: Imperial Teen - On

Standout(s): "City Song," "Baby," "My Spy," "Ivanka"

2003: Lords of Acid - Greatest Tits

(only 3 of the tracks are new, but this is about best albums and a compilation is still an album)
Standout(s): "The Most Wonderful Girl," "Am I Sexy?," "Gimme Gimme," "Lover," "Marijuana in Your Brain," "Rough Sex," "I Sit on Acid," "Stoned on Love Again," "Do What You Wanna Do," "Pussy"

2003: Goldfrapp - Black Cherry

Standout(s): "Crystalline Green," "Strict Machine," "Deep Honey," "Twist," "Forever," "Black Cherry," "Tiptoe"

2004: Stereolab - Margerine Eclipse

Standout(s): "Vonal Declosion," "...Sudden Stars," "Margerine Melodie," "Need to Be," "Cosmic Country Noir," "Feel and Triple," "La Demeure"

2004: Gwen Stefani - Love Angel Music Baby

Standout(s): "What You Waiting For?," "Serious," "Luxurious," "The Real Thing," "Rich Girl," "Crash"

2005: Madonna - Confessions on a Dancefloor

Standout(s): "Jump," "Get Together," "Future Lovers," "Forbidden Love"

2006: Beck - The Information

Standout(s): "Cellphone's Dead," "Soldier Jane," "Think I'm in Love," "Nausea," "Movie Theme," "Strange Apparition"

2006: Roisin Murphy - Overpowered

Standout(s): "You Know Me Better," "Body Language," "Footprints," "Overpowered," "Let Me Know," "Dear Miami," "Movie Star," "Tell Everybody," "Cry Baby," "Primitive"

2008 / 2009: Lady Gaga - The Fame / The Fame Monster (deluxe 2-disc) (including, of course, all songs from The Fame)
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Standout(s): "Paparazzi," "Just Dance," "Starstruck," "Dance in the Dark," "The Fame," "Summerboy," "Monster," "Lovegame," "Beautiful, Dirty, Rich," "Telephone," "Boys Boys Boys," "Eh Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say)," "Poker Face," "Bad Romance"

2009: Peaches - I Feel Cream

"Talk to Me," "I Feel Cream," "Serpentine (I Don't Give a Fuck, Pt. 2)," "Lose You," "Mommy Complex," "Take You On," "Billionaire"

Lazario wrote:

Goliath wrote:I disagree. Obviously, you've never listened to a Bob Dylan- or Simon & Garfunkel-song.

As a matter of fact, you aren't wrong with that statement. I haven't. That I know of. Call it willful ignorance. I plain old never saw the appeal of those artists. Nor did I ever find myself alone with any of their CD's and an overwhelming urge to give 'em a spin.

Oh my. I'm so sorry. You missed out on something great. Maybe you should give it a try.

When you wrote about music not being about narrative, I immediately had to think of those two artists. They're storytellers pur sang. Of course they tell stories to move you, to touch you, and to get you in a particular mood. But they do tell stories. And a lot of Dylan's early music "appeals to the itellect", with so-called 'protest-songs'. And his rock 'n roll-music (for the lack of a better word) can be so weird at first hearing, that you have to let it sink in first, and you have to get used to it, before you can fully appreciate it. (This is also in response to your comments about music versus films.)

MutantEnemy wrote:Goliath, forgive me but I think you are way off base here. The thread title is Best Albums of the Decade: 2000-2009! -- meaning what UD thinks are the best albums of this decade!

Goliath wrote:No, you confuse "favorite" with "best". I'm still surprised how so many people can't see the difference. Look, there's a thread on UD with the title "Favorite movies of the decade". I will post titles in there that are not the best movies per sé, but then again, that's not what was being asked. If they had asked "The best movies of the decade?", I would have given an entirely different list. You see, what you *prefer* doesn't have to be the best. And what's the best, is not neccessarily what you like.

But who gets to say what is best? You? Me? No, everyone is qualified to say what is the best in their eyes. To mention the best movies thing, you yourself say that your favorites are not the best, but why not? Is your opinion of movies worth less than a movie reviewer. Maybe you are insecure about your own opinions.

MutantEnemy wrote:If we wanted to post what every pretentious music snob thinks is great we could direct you to Rolling Stones list and the like.

Goliath wrote:You mean, people who actually know what good music is? Oh, I just LOVE how people with knowledge, expertise and taste get trashed on every forum by being called "pretentious snob"! It makes the person writing that look so insecure of his own opinions.

See above post

MutantEnemy wrote:I think it's extremely rude to bash people for the music they like. You may live and breathe music, but to others like myself, music is just music, if it is pleasant sounding and has a good beat we like it! Not all music is meant to be the second coming of Christ!

Goliath wrote:I'm not bashing people! Where did I bash people? I bash their musical preferences. That's a different thing entirely. Unless you define yourself by your musical preferences. And frankly, that would be pathetic.

Wrong, by bashing musical preferences, you bash the person within whom those preferences lie. Music is just one of many things people identify with.

MutantEnemy wrote:I see your type on forums all the time

Goliath wrote:Hold it, hold it... I'm "a type"? Well, good doctor, please tell me, what *is* my "type" and how did you recognize me so soon? You, who don't know me at all?

Yes, I would say that your internet type is arrogant troll. All I need to know about you is that you treat complete strangers with disrespect! Is there more to you that someone else would want to know?

MutantEnemy wrote:- arguing for the sake of arguing- and I have to ask you, what is the point? It is a fool's errand to criticize something as subjective as music!

Goliath wrote:Oh, I'm sorry! I thought this was a discussion forum! Stupid me!

Discussion and arguing are two very different things. Discussion implies a give and take of ideas and information, while arguing is one person telling another person what's right and trying to get the last word.

MutantEnemy wrote:But who gets to say what is best? You? Me? No, everyone is qualified to say what is the best in their eyes. To mention the best movies thing, you yourself say that your favorites are not the best, but why not? Is your opinion of movies worth less than a movie reviewer. Maybe you are insecure about your own opinions.

No, I can make a distinction between "best" and "favorite". Take Citizen Kane (1941) for example. By all standards (camerawork, direction, editing, storytelling), this is one of the best films of all time. I, as a scholar in film, will acknowledge that immediately. Orson Welles was just so visionary in his movie-making that I can't help but agree that this film is one of the best ever made. However, does that mean that it's my personal favorite? No. I appreciate it for its achievements, but I wouldn't place it in my personal top 10.

That's because there's such a thing as pleasure. And pleasure is a different thing entirely. It doesn't have to have anything to do with quality. You can find pleasure in extraordinary good films/music. You can also find pleasure in very bad films/music. This doesn't mean I'm insecure about my own opinions. It just means I make the distinction.

MutantEnemy wrote:Wrong, by bashing musical preferences, you bash the person within whom those preferences lie. Music is just one of many things people identify with.

No, I'm just saying you have a bad taste in music. I'm not saying you're all bad people, or that I think you're dumb or stupid... I don't. I just think the music you listen to is crap. That's all.

MutantEnemy wrote:Yes, I would say that your internet type is arrogant troll. All I need to know about you is that you treat complete strangers with disrespect! Is there more to you that someone else would want to know?

Are you any better, MutantEnemy? Do you treat me with respect? I gave an opinion about your taste in music and you treat me like a troll. Does that make you look good? Judging people you don't know on their character? At least all I did was judging your taste in music. I didn't judge you on your character. It's sad that you can't see the irony in your name-calling against me.

As I stated before you will argue just to argue, you seem to be incapable of accepting any kind of responsibility for rude behavior, and that's fine. It's not like I win a prize or anything anyway...moving on!!!

SHOOT! Forgot one!:

2001: Bis - Return to Central

Standout(s): "We're Complicated," "What You're Afraid Of," "Robotic," "A Portrait from Space," "Silver Spoon"

Goliath wrote:When you wrote about music not being about narrative, I immediately had to think of those two artists. They're storytellers pur sang. Of course they tell stories to move you, to touch you, and to get you in a particular mood. But they do tell stories. And a lot of Dylan's early music "appeals to the itellect", with so-called 'protest-songs'. And his rock 'n roll-music (for the lack of a better word) can be so weird at first hearing, that you have to let it sink in first, and you have to get used to it, before you can fully appreciate it. (This is also in response to your comments about music versus films.)

There's no way for me to say this and not sound like a flake. You're right. I just forget about that kind of thing. Rap used to be about telling stories, too. That's one of the defenses I used to use when ignorant white people dismissed the entire genre.

I guess what I want to say now is that music has changed. And people aren't that interested in telling stories. That's not true, but that's kind of what I really want to say.

What I will say without shame, is that there's nothing wrong with the Jessica and Jonas Brothers kinda music. Not with people liking it. It may not be great music compared to the greats of yesterday. Or to more organic, d.e.y. (do everything yourself), or what passes for country / folk singers/songwriters today. But it's made to speak to whoever will like it. If I didn't sound flakey before, I no doubt do now. But that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

It kinda sounds a little bit like you have something against music made for dancing. Since what you said blasted everyone's list, including mine- I do resent that you may have thought I didn't give my list careful consideration. I did what just about everyone else did, my list was essential to me. Because I know no one else here was going to give Roisin Murphy (who had the best goddamn pop album of the decade, unquestionably) or Goldfrapp their long overdue dues. Just because I think Lady Gaga and Gwen Stefani were shining stars in the sea of Britney and Christina fluff, was no reason to in any way insist I didn't give my list careful consideration. And I'd rather listen to something fresh and interesting I can dance to than give old rock stars trying to recapture their glory days (especially the incredibly overrated AC/DC) even more accolades than their own publicity people spat out (no offense, Dave). Roisin Murphy gave us that in spades. Us who were paying attention.

Lastly, just about the only thing you can do to really fight what you don't agree with is to post as good a list that defies the choices of others as you can. You haven't posted anything for yourself other than that one YouTube link and a butt-kissing recommendation of Dave's list.