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Mr. Toad wrote:Who cares. A waste of paper.

This. Agreed 100%.

drf wrote:I mean, trees are a renewable resource!

Yes, but you have to consider the rate of people using paper (in all forms) then throwing them away versus trees being grown and made into paper. Trees are renewable, but only so long as the supply can continue to outnumber the demand. One of these days people will get so wasteful thinking that everything's easily renewable that it'll really end up like WALL-E.

drf wrote:So is water! So I also hate those hotels that say "help us save the world by not using as much water!" That's total BS... all it saves them is money. We haven't gained or lost water in millions of years, regardless of what Democrats say.

It's true that we haven't gained or lost water (the amount on Earth today is roughly the same as it was 100 million years ago and beyond), but that's mainly because it gets recirculated on its own (the ole solid to liquid to gas to liquid to solid to liquid, etc.). But what people don't take into consideration, and what most don't know, is that the amount of fresh water is not something that's always easily obtained or made. The amount of energy for converting dirty water (say, salt water or sewage water) into fresh water is a lot more than people expect, which is why people are more often than digging more wells, filling up more towers, etc.. You can't exactly pour a gallon of the Atlantic Ocean into an off-the-shelf filter and have it taste just like bottled.

Yes, it's partly about money (after all, what company doesn't want to lose money?). But it's also about companies realizing that water is a finite source that takes time to be replenished. They can't be as spendthrift with it these days as they were 50 to 100 years ago. The rate that we consume and pollute water today is much different from a few centuries ago. And if we continue this rate, a few centuries from now water could likely be so dirty that it becomes a pricey commodity (think Dune, where the poor people in Arrakeen literally would pay for a cup of *used and diry* water that came from a mop bucket).

You also have to consider that in the US of A, water gets taken for granted. Most everyone has running tap water, and in most cases, the tap water is perfectly fine for drinking. But too many people are goddamned concerned about how it's dirty (because it's tap) that they waste money and resources buying bottles upon bottles of water. If they're that paranoid, get a refillable bottle and a cheap water filter and replace that once a month. In other parts of the world, water is not always clean when it's tap, and it's not always easy to come by. The fact that Americans are so blase about water use is a pitiful.

Too many people have cavalier and careless attitudes towards natural resources. And this is not a political thing, nor is it a tree-hugging environmental thing. It's just common sense. Conservation and proper use of resources have always been vital skills of survival. We can't always assume that because it's replenishable, someone else during a later time can figure out how to ensure it's always replenishable. Action has to be taken now. It had to be taken years ago.

drf wrote:And anyone who says wasting paper is bad for the environment should be shot...

Shoot me, then. The amount of wasted paper that goes into a trash can instead of a recycling bin is shameful.

drf wrote:unlike plastic, paper is an actually decomposable resource that doesn't hurt the environment at all.

Actually, some paper is harmful to the environment, such as boxes with a glossy cover. The gloss that makes it shiny needs a special kind of treatment in order for it to be properly recycled and it would naturally decompose at a different rate than regular paper. When I worked for the Mouse House, we always had to separate certain boxes that we used and put them in a special recycling bin because they couldn't be taken to a normal recycling plant.

Also, go back to the supply/demand I mentioned earlier. Even if paper will decompose naturally in the environment, it is still something that takes time to make, no matter how many tree farms or whatever there are. You have to always consider the rate of people wasting paper versus the rate of paper being made.

drf wrote:I swear, if I see any more of those I will intentionally NOT buy it because it's so ANNOYING!

Disney will laugh all the way to the bank whether you buy their crap or not.

Anyway, to actually make this post relevant to chapter inserts...

I don't mind inserts, I'd definitely prefer them to slipcovers. But an insert is a waste if it's just a single sheet of chapters and a repeat of the cover, along with like 15 pages of ads, coupons, and the all-important DMR code . I like inserts to actually have a purpose beyond a list. Make it part of the collectability of the DVD. The early Platinum inserts were great because they booklets, guides to the DVDs you just bought, with introductory pages by one of the filmmakers, brief synopses of what some of the features are, fold-out navigational maps. These days they all seem to just be standard "here's the chapters, here's a small map, here's inaccurate runtimes, here's the 'this is what Platinum is' page".

albert

You know, you have a point @ the DMR codes... I don't think they're stopping that any time soon so they're at least going to have to give you a piece of paper with the code on it... (But you notice how some newer PEs like The Little Mermaid had just one booklet, the front having the chapters and the back having the code?)

I didn't realize that paper with gloss etc. was bad for the environment, but it makes sense. But stuff like the chapter inserts shouldn't be that bad...

Shoot me, then. The amount of wasted paper that goes into a trash can instead of a recycling bin is shameful.

Well, "recycled paper" doesn't look nearly as good as fresh paper... and unless it's the kind of paper you talked about with gloss, etc... it'll decompose anyway. So if it's something like my homework assignments that I'm saving to make a large bonfire after I graduate from high school, I don't see what's so bad about just throwing it out.

But yeah, I do hate how Disney's DVDs are getting cheaper... I doubt that even takes more than $5 or $10 to make one of those sets... but yet they sell them for $20...
I like the chapter inserts because if I have to stop a film and later resume it, it's easier to look at those than try to find it using the scene selections when they have snazzy animated menus that take 10-20 seconds to load the darn list of chapters. I'll save my rant about over-the-top animated menus for some other thread but the point still remains. The only complaint about chapter lists is that sometimes, the wording can serve as a spoiler and give away the ending

Awwww....they made great paper airplanes.

It doesn't bother me that they use a lot of paper at all.
And about Little Mermaid PE,drfsupercenter,It came with 2 booklets-The DVD guide one (The one with the code and I think it's the first DVD that started the DMA) and the one with the sweepstakes.

Oh yeah... you're right.

I must be thinking of a different Platinum Edition. Peter Pan, maybe?

I know I saw ONE of the PEs that had the code on one side and the chapters on the other. Plus, a lot of the cheaper ones (like the non-PE movie releases) do that too with just a single piece of paper.

I have Enchanted Tales with 3 booklets like you"re saying-One with differents advertisements and the code on it,one about the sweepstakes and one who's the DVD guide-it's one paper,one side has the chapter list and an ad for some Hannah Montana DVDs under it and the backside has the features.
I"ll check the Sleeping Beauty PE.

drfsupercenter wrote:The only complaint about chapter lists is that sometimes, the wording can serve as a spoiler and give away the ending

Yeah! Chapter 30: Happy Ending.

I'm a bit late to the party, but I think you can contact the Disney DVD support services and get a replacement chapter insert if the copy you get is one of the later pressings that omitted them (mind you, I'm referring to the pre-cost-cutting releases released with inserts). I know someone who had one of the earlier pressings of Best of Power Rangers: The Ultimate Rangers (a BVHE release) which had an episode listing. Turns out when I bought my copy today, there was no insert to be found in the later pressings.

So I e-mailed the support service and they e-mailed me back earlier today asking me for my full mailing address and phone number so they could send a replacement insert. So if you happen to have a similar problem, just shoot them an e-mail and they should send you a replacement.

About the paper thing, recycling in general is bs. ever see the Penn and Teller episode on recycling? Its really eye opening. In many cases recycling actually hurts the envirnment more than it helps.

with the exception of aluminum, and a few other things, the amount of energy wasted, polution created, and money spent on recycling does more harm than good.

We were never in danger of running low on trees, they grow/harvest them specifically for paper. they need more paper, they grow more trees.

Kyle wrote:About the paper thing, recycling in general is bs. ever see the Penn and Teller episode on recycling? Its really eye opening. In many cases recycling actually hurts the envirnment more than it helps.

with the exception of aluminum, and a few other things, the amount of energy wasted, polution created, and money spent on recycling does more harm than good.

We were never in danger of running low on trees, they grow/harvest them specifically for paper. they need more paper, they grow more trees.

First off, animal habitats.

No denying the rest of what you say. Unfortunately, big-asses tend to think differently.

habitats? what about them? your destoying them weather you recycle or grow new trees, so Im not sure how that comes into play here.