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I would hope they'd go with a new cut rather than the 60th anniversary edition. I don't doubt they won't cut Sunflower once again, but they could still do a better job with it. One zoom that was made in particular to avoid her presence was absolutely horrid (how did they do worse with it than they did with the 1990 version?).

I don't see them going with the 1990 version. It would be pointless to match the currently cleaned-up material to the edits they made back then.

I got the pleasure of seeing a screening of Destino, as well as a few other shorts, on this past Disney Member's Cruise and it totally blew my mind visually and musically. However, it was a short and although I know there will be a ton of extras since it has such a long history, it was still only about 12 minutes long. I feel it will be bundled with other shorts similar to the Pixar shorts vol. 1. Some of the other shorts included may include: "Lorenzo" directed by Mike Gabriel, and "One by One" directed by Pixote Hunt. The 4th short I viewed was called Glago's Guest directed by Chris Williams but that will be a short before this Fall's Theatrical Feature: "Bolt".

It'd be nice to see a DVD collection of Disney's post-new millenia (non-Mickey/non-film tie in) shorts:

John Henry (in the correct wide screen format as opposed to its current release)

Grievance of a Starmaker
Lorenzo
One By One
Destino
The Little Match Girl

Four of these are available on other DVDs, but they really deserve to be together in a collection. I want to see 'Grievance of a Starmaker' but the only DVD it's on - "It's A Small World Of Fun! Volume One" doesn't offer anything else I'd want for $15.

Plus, Lorenzo has never seen a home video release. I really hope it comes on the Destino DVD or the Fantasia re-releases. I really want to see it.

Anyone know if it's viewable online - possibly a torrent or something? I support Disney quite generously but I don't want to wait two years before (possibly) seeing this short, so if there's any way to get it - could someone let me know?

I literally cannot wait for these releases. I so hope that they do 3 seperate DVDs/Blu-rays, one for each film (Fantasia, Fantasia 2000, & Destino). I wished we were getting these before Snow White is re-released.

Neal wrote:Plus, Lorenzo has never seen a home video release. I really hope it comes on the Destino DVD or the Fantasia re-releases. I really want to see it.

Anyone know if it's viewable online - possibly a torrent or something? I support Disney quite generously but I don't want to wait two years before (possibly) seeing this short, so if there's any way to get it - could someone let me know?

I couldn't find the entire short online but I did find this trailer on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXBw8Hkm-_M

Thank you for finding this for me, but that is the exact (and only) thing I've seen for Lorenzo - it is what got me so hyped up to see the full short!

I'm disappointed that Fantasia and F2K are going to be separate releases -- both could fit on Blu-Ray, and I can only imagine the fun of making your own playlist (a'la Disney's Schoolhouse Rock DVD.) Imagine making your own Fantasia running order, even including Claire De Lune?

Still, since THAT isn't going to happen, we can at least hope for an inclusion of the 1982 Irwin Kostal version of Fantasia, which, despite its flaws, is still a part of the history of the film, and has some mertis (Night on Bald Mountain is less precise, but has a thunderous quality, ditto the Rite of Spring).

I almost left the thread because I was getting sick of all the dwelling on the BluRay 'high-def' release... but...

I must say I will be glad when it's 2010, so I can finally own both films on dvd for the first time! And yes, I will enjoy them very much and have perfect picture quality and appreciate every piece of animation on my regular dvd player.

Goliath wrote:I almost left the thread because I was getting sick of all the dwelling on the BluRay 'high-def' release... but...I must say I will be glad when it's 2010, so I can finally own both films on dvd for the first time! And yes, I will enjoy them very much and have perfect picture quality and appreciate every piece of animation on my regular dvd player.

The 2001 release was wonderful -- but I'm looking forward to Fantasia *finally* receiving the same sort of painstaking dust-busting and digital restoration given to Bambi, Snow White and Pinocchio. One could make an argument - and a valid one - that removing the cel dust and cel scrawl is an alteration of the original image, but I'm certain Walt would have fixed the issues if he only could, so I tend to see these as different versions Walt would have been proud of. We can also argue about color timing and what not, but still -- Bambi was glorious. Fantasia is my favorite film of all time, so I'm eagerly anticipating it. Can't wait to see Destino too.

I don't mind letting them clean up Fantasia as good as they want, I still have the Anthology set, and I don't plan to sell that box, so it would be a treat to see what they can do nowadays. But there are a lot of effects shots, and double exposure shots, and multiplane shots, so they're probably not going to look as good as expected.
And couldn't they just re-color the black centaur? I'm not a fan at all of censorship, or revisionism, but the zooming in is just painful to watch. And I don't expect to see the original centaur, so this could be the best alternative, I think.

They should just re-animate her, a'la The Three Little Pigs.

Rudy Matt wrote:The 2001 release was wonderful -- but I'm looking forward to Fantasia *finally* receiving the same sort of painstaking dust-busting and digital restoration given to Bambi, Snow White and Pinocchio. One could make an argument - and a valid one - that removing the cel dust and cel scrawl is an alteration of the original image, but I'm certain Walt would have fixed the issues if he only could, so I tend to see these as different versions Walt would have been proud of.

Yes, I agree. I'm sure Walt would have used those techniques to clean up his older films if he could.

Rudy Matt wrote:They should just re-animate her, a'la The Three Little Pigs.

No, they shouldn't re-animate anything at all. Leave works of art alone. Look at these stereotypes as a historical phenomenon: it's a thing from the past. It did happen. Why do we have to lie about it or hide it? Better show it and say: "we would never do anything like that nowadays, because..." But don't go back and try to change history.

Goliath wrote:[I'm sure Walt would have used those techniques to clean up his older films if he could.

No, they shouldn't re-animate anything at all. Leave works of art alone.

Well, if Walt were alive today, he would have re-animated the sequence or would have also wanted the sequence altered. Walt was not in the business to offend anyone, and there is historical precedent of Walt changing his films after people were offended by them. I recognize the affront people take to altering films for tobacco, etc., but in the case of Fantasia, if Walt were alive today, he would whole-heartedly support changes to Fantasia -- a movie that was supposed to be in constant change to begin with.

Rudy Matt wrote:If Walt were alive today, he would whole-heartedly support changes to Fantasia -- a movie that was supposed to be in constant change to begin with.

"Constant change" doesn't mean "edit what we already did", it means "let's add a new short". I don't think anyone ever intended to go back in and re-edit the existing segments.

And I mean, he probably would want to alter that, but let's not put words in the mouth of a dead/frozen guy.

SpringHeelJack wrote:And I mean, he probably would want to alter that, but let's not put words in the mouth of a dead/frozen guy.

Dead, frozen, ashes, cyborg...

albert

Rudy Matt wrote:
Well, if Walt were alive today, he would have re-animated the sequence or would have also wanted the sequence altered. Walt was not in the business to offend anyone, and there is historical precedent of Walt changing his films after people were offended by them. I recognize the affront people take to altering films for tobacco, etc., but in the case of Fantasia, if Walt were alive today, he would whole-heartedly support changes to Fantasia -- a movie that was supposed to be in constant change to begin with.

The movie was supposed to be re-released with new shorts added in not with the same shorts edited

Also, I doubt he would go and fix it. Look at every last From the Vaults cartoon shorts on the WDT's. Look at the Mammie figure in the Pluto shorts, the entire cartoon short Mickey's Mellerdrammer etc. Walt never edited those and they were offensive to audiences back then. Wasn't Sunflower in the original 1940's version? So obviously he was fine with leaving it in Sunflower was in the original, I doubt he'd want to go back and have to re-edit an entire sequence especially since he'd then have to go and alter all of his other shorts.

I'm gonna go against the grain here, but this is one of the few times I support the censorship. They definitely need to find a better way to do the censorship, but I'm actually ok with this, as Sunflower's presence really has no point except to say that black people were only put on Earth to serve the "prettier" "white" people. If they want to use seamless branching or whatever for the film and offer it in censored and uncensored versions, with something to place the Pastoral in context within the time period, that'd be the best way to appease everyone. Frankly, I might watch that version once for historical reasons, but I'm certain I'd see myself watching the censored version more often than the uncensored one. Assuming I ever had a kid period, let alone a small one who'd have enough attention span to sit through Fantasia in one sitting (Lord knows it was actually easier for me to watch that movie when I was 8 than it is NOW.) I wouldn't want him to see Sunflower until he was older and could understand all that stuff better. Even if I explained it to him and such, a lot of that stuff would go right over an average 8-year-old's head. Maybe I'm not giving 8-year-olds enough credit, but yes.

The uncensored version of that sequence should be available SOMEHOW, I won't dispute that, if only as a separate bonus feature that just contains the offending shots in their original form with a text screen or whatever preceding it placing the clips in context. But I definitely think if nothing else, people should have the choice to watch the film with or without censorship. (Knowing Disney, the censored version will be the only one available on DVD but the Blu-Ray will have both.)

Chernabog_Rocks wrote:I doubt he would go and fix it. Look at every last From the Vaults cartoon shorts on the WDT's. Look at the Mammie figure in the Pluto shorts, the entire cartoon short Mickey's Mellerdrammer etc. Walt never edited those and they were offensive to audiences back then. Wasn't Sunflower in the original 1940's version? So obviously he was fine with leaving it in Sunflower was in the original, I doubt he'd want to go back and have to re-edit an entire sequence especially since he'd then have to go and alter all of his other shorts.

Sir, America in the 30's and 40's was a segregated nation. Walt only lived to see the rise of the Civil Rights Act after Kennedy's death in the 60's, not its flowering. If Walt were alive today, you'd better believe he would have no problem altering Fantasia or any other cartoon, especially since he had already demonstrated he was willing to alter his films to remove ethnic stereotypes, The Three Little Pigs being a famous example. Besides, by making the older films acceptable for modern demographics, Walt would have been extending their commercial potential, making Roy happy and allowing him more funds to followhis crazy projects.

I have Fantasia on dvd and Fantasia 2000 on VHS.
I'm planning to replace the latter for a Dvd when the new edition comes out!
I might also douple-dip Fantasia as the copy I have has no extras except one deleted sequence.I suppose this upcoming edition is crammed with extra's?

BelleGirl wrote:I have Fantasia on dvd and Fantasia 2000 on VHS.
I'm planning to replace the latter for a Dvd when the new edition comes out!
I might also douple-dip Fantasia as the copy I have has no extras except one deleted sequence.I suppose this upcoming edition is crammed with extra's?

The Netherlands didn't receive the version with the Making Of Documentary?