DVDizzy Forum

@2099

I follow the industry boards fairly closely. I'm pretty sure that the two projects actively in production are not 2-d. There's been some talk of 2d/3d combo pic. From what I understand, disney feature animation (and only feature animation--not direct to video, tv, etc.) is going to focus exclusively on CGI or CGI-biased projects for the forseeable future. Thanks to Shrek and their declining relationship with Pixar.

Like I said, I doubt I believe them regarding 2D film projects - where and who is going to make them? Not even Disney Australia as they have upteen rumoured sequels in the works. All the other international Disney studios have been closed. (The information on the two traditional films in production was taken from a news report somewhere about the closure - I'm sure Disney must have slipped this "fact" into a press release somewhere). I listed all of the Disney animated films I know of in an earlier post in this thread.

There seems to be even more films coming from the new Disney - Chicken Little, Gnomeo and Juliet, Fraidy Cat, Valiant, Rapunzel Unbraided, A Day With Wilbur Robinson, Let's Get Francis... all are either confirmed or rumoured.

I still have a nagging feeling I've forgotten one other. Can't think what it is. But they're all CGI as far as I know. And at one a year there's enough to see us through until 2010 there. It just cannot be right. There seems to be more films 'in production' at Disney than ever before.

I see some business reports are assuming that the closure of Orlando signals good ongoing negotiations with Pixar (they are assuming Orlando's closure will mean less films; with Disney/Pixar films to fill the release schedule holes). But I don't see that. I actually see Disney increasing production, which doesn't really make sense.

Ideally Disney would have two Feature Animation studios. Burbank for CGI and Orlando for traditional. Ideally the upcoming films would be a 50/50 mix of CGI and traditional (I'd hate to be in charge when the CGI-animation bubble bursts). I try to look at this from a business as well as emotional point of view, but the fact is the news doesn't really make sense from either point of view. CGI films don't even appear to be any cheaper than traditional animated films at the moment either as the research and technology costs too much.

As I said, I hope Pixar and Disney do ultimately decide to part company. It could be the best thing to happen to both companies. I hope Disney can get put some exciting and involving films out (Chicken Little does sound more and more interesting each passing week).

It's not all bad news. While it's sad that some many talented people are being cast aside, Disney still seems commited to making multiple full-budget animated films at their Feature Animation division. They could still surprise us all. And Disney Australia is still around making traditional animated films under time and budget constraints. If the CGI-animation bubble does burst at least Disney will have traditional animation skills to hand.

I would hope, no matter what people's feelings towards the DTV releases, I'm sure we can all agree Disney Australia deserve the chance to make one decently budgeted and scripted animation film to show us all what they are really capable of.

Jens wrote:It has come to my attention that most members here don't even support Disney anymore but are still posting on a Disney Site and probably also buy Disney Dvd's. I don't get this! I mean, the term "Disney fan" speaks for itself. If you don't support the company you can't call yourself one in my opinion. I support them in everything they do, I will keep being a fan of their work!

What do you guys and gals think about this?

I agree with you Jens, I wouldn't consider many of the people here Disney fans since they are more against the company than with it. They have had complains about everything the Disney company has done lately. I mean, at first I was with them, especially when they said the Rescuers DVD was bad. But after that, they complained about The Lion King DVD, Sleeping Beauty... Aladdin has been voted most awaited, but just wait, you'll see how someone finds something to complain about. The worst thing of all is that many of these "fans" (and even the administrator) even support Disney pornography, how low can you get???

Now everyone will start coming to me and yelling at me screaming "Tangela! Do some research before you post something offensive!" "You're wrong!".

So anyway, I can't consider many of them "fans" anymore, since they have complained about everything...

Tangela wrote:

Jens wrote:It has come to my attention that most members here don't even support Disney anymore but are still posting on a Disney Site and probably also buy Disney Dvd's. I don't get this! I mean, the term "Disney fan" speaks for itself. If you don't support the company you can't call yourself one in my opinion. I support them in everything they do, I will keep being a fan of their work!

What do you guys and gals think about this?

I agree with you Jens, I wouldn't consider many of the people here Disney fans since they are more against the company than with it. They have had complains about everything the Disney company has done lately. I mean, at first I was with them, especially when they said the Rescuers DVD was bad. But after that, they complained about The Lion King DVD, Sleeping Beauty... Aladdin has been voted most awaited, but just wait, you'll see how someone finds something to complain about. The worst thing of all is that many of these "fans" (and even the administrator) even support Disney pornography, how low can you get???

Now everyone will start coming to me and yelling at me screaming "Tangela! Do some research before you post something offensive!" "You're wrong!".

So anyway, I can't consider many of them "fans" anymore, since they have complained about everything...

That's pretty much true, but that's the way of the internet it seems. The internet is like a modern day version of the CB radio, only most people seem to want to use it to complain about things that they say they love. Its sort of funny in a way. Oh well.

The follow-ups have certainly clarified a few things, but as I read the initial post I couldn't help thinking: "OMG - can you be serious?"

I don't intend to be too political here, but I sometimes use the following analogy: Like a country, the Disney Company is also quite a large "operation". One might have strong interest in its history and a great love of its people, achievements and legacy but still be highly critical of the current "regime" and its decision-making.

I think that describes the relation between quite some Disney fans and the Disney Company of today.

2099net wrote: I would hope, no matter what people's feelings towards the DTV releases, I'm sure we can all agree Disney Australia deserve the chance to make one decently budgeted and scripted animation film to show us all what they are really capable of.

I, too, am puzzled by this new plan. As you have said, the "CGI is cheaper" argument doesn't quite work, and nor can Disney completely justify running two studios (from a business point of view, of course).

But what I really wanted to say here is that I agree the DTV division is unfairly maligned. I honestly believe that Disney Australia at Surry Hills could do a brilliant feature film. After all, they probably produce more work per annum in a rushed fashion for TV/DTV, that looks pretty good - imagine what they could do if they slowed down and had more money!

I look forward to seeing what the result of their efforts is on Three Musketeers, as it should be a good indication of what they COULD do with their own film if given a bigger budget.