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NONE of them.
Disney is Disney,not Don Blut,not Dreamworks,and the rest of those lame wannabes.
Those films are different,less mature and are defintly not Disney,saying that you wish that Thumbelina was a Disney film is like saying that you wish that Lord Of The Ring was a JK Rowling but it not,no matter how much you it to be.
I don't Sleeping Beauty to be a Dreamworks,it's not Dreamworks it's Disney.
Disney is Disney and the others are others and it's not just name-You can feel that Cinderella is a Disney film and not a Don Bluth film.
I agree with Escapay.
I think it's very absurd of you saying that you wished that Anasatia is Disney just because you like it,it's defintly not Disney.

sotiris2006 wrote:OK, a bit off topic now but does anyone know what happened to Don Bluth and Richard Rich? Are they ever going to produce an animated movie again? Do we have any news at all about them? The last thing i heard about Richard Rich is when he made the movie "Muhammad: The Last Prophet", after that nothing. And i heard that Bluth and Goldman were planning to do a full-length feature of "Dragon's Lair" but had a problem with funding it. How is that going?

Don Bluth and Gary Goldman have a script ready for a feature length version of the video game Dragon's Lair. Unfortunately, they don't have the funding yet. It's hard to do when your last movie made less that $25 million at the box office and no one wants to make 2-D animated movies anymore.

Here's hoping Disney makes financially successful movies so that Don can make good ones.

As for Richrad Rich, he hasn't made a feature since The King and I and that was terrible in more ways than one. It was only his second film and I think he's fine with making religious cartoons now. Which is kind of sad, but what can you do?

sotiris2006 wrote:OK, a bit off topic now but does anyone know what happened to Don Bluth and Richard Rich? Are they ever going to produce an animated movie again? Do we have any news at all about them? The last thing i heard about Richard Rich is when he made the movie "Muhammad: The Last Prophet", after that nothing. And i heard that Bluth and Goldman were planning to do a full-length feature of "Dragon's Lair" but had a problem with funding it. How is that going?

Hopefully,he"ll stop making movies .

the only worthy ricahrd rich films are fox and the hound and swan princess.

Yeah,Fox and the Hound is great (And Disney).
Swan Princess is okay,thought not mature like Disney (That's pretty much with those films),thought Derek seems much more a hero then her,the film is even about him really,not her (And she's a damsel in distress,she got kidnapped and not even do something to save herself).

"All Dogs go to Heaven" definitely. My favourite Bluth film which would fit in quite comfortably into the 80's Disney canon.

Ariel'sprince wrote:NONE of them.
Disney is Disney,not Don Blut,not Dreamworks,and the rest of those lame wannabes.
Those films are different,less mature and are defintly not Disney,saying that you wish that Thumbelina was a Disney film is like saying that you wish that Lord Of The Ring was a JK Rowling but it not,no matter how much you it to be.
I don't Sleeping Beauty to be a Dreamworks,it's not Dreamworks it's Disney.
Disney is Disney and the others are others and it's not just name-You can feel that Cinderella is a Disney film and not a Don Bluth film.
I agree with Escapay.
I think it's very absurd of you saying that you wished that Anasatia is Disney just because you like it,it's defintly not Disney.

The reason why I would like them to be a part of the canon is because all of them are highly underrated, not because I think Disney's the alpha-and-omega of animation. Being a part of Disney would give them the instant recognition and they all deserve it, especially "Balto" and "The Last Unicorn". And they are not so different from the rest of Disney's output. If you think "Swan Princess" or "Thumbelina" are childish, you might wanna take a look at "Winnie the Pooh" features. In fact, I think some of them are better than the stuff Disney's been putting out lately. I mean, "Chicken Little"?! "Disney Princess" DTVs?!

And you don't seriously think that all these films are immature, do you? "The Last Unicorn" is the most mature American animated film I've ever seen. "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" and "Pocahontas" (often referred as Disney's most mature films) don't hold a candle to it when it comes to being mature.

mooky_7_sa wrote:"The Hunchback of Notre Dame" and "Pocahontas" (often referred as Disney's most mature films) don't hold a candle to it when it comes to being mature.

i beg to differ...the last unicorn is far from mature..having complex sounding dialogue is all its got to show. the story was quite simple. imo none of the american mainstream animated films r mature. they only have more adult theme than the usual kiddie fare of fantasy n magic. persepolis (to name a few) and the miyazaki films on the other hand features complex issues and more dramatic n realistic approach.

mooky_7_sa wrote:

Ariel'sprince wrote:NONE of them.
Disney is Disney,not Don Blut,not Dreamworks,and the rest of those lame wannabes.
Those films are different,less mature and are defintly not Disney,saying that you wish that Thumbelina was a Disney film is like saying that you wish that Lord Of The Ring was a JK Rowling but it not,no matter how much you it to be.
I don't Sleeping Beauty to be a Dreamworks,it's not Dreamworks it's Disney.
Disney is Disney and the others are others and it's not just name-You can feel that Cinderella is a Disney film and not a Don Bluth film.
I agree with Escapay.
I think it's very absurd of you saying that you wished that Anasatia is Disney just because you like it,it's defintly not Disney.

The reason why I would like them to be a part of the canon is because all of them are highly underrated, not because I think Disney's the alpha-and-omega of animation. Being a part of Disney would give them the instant recognition and they all deserve it, especially "Balto" and "The Last Unicorn". And they are not so different from the rest of Disney's output. If you think "Swan Princess" or "Thumbelina" are childish, you might wanna take a look at "Winnie the Pooh" features. In fact, I think some of them are better than the stuff Disney's been putting out lately. I mean, "Chicken Little"?! "Disney Princess" DTVs?!

And you don't seriously think that all these films are immature, do you? "The Last Unicorn" is the most mature American animated film I've ever seen. "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" and "Pocahontas" (often referred as Disney's most mature films) don't hold a candle to it when it comes to being mature.

So what if they"re underrated? you need to love them for what they are,not preteding that they"re something.
And yes,I think that Thumbelina and Swan Princess are less mature Disney (Anastasia is good but all those childish fights that Anastasia and Dimitri have? when was the last time that Snow White and The Prince,Jessica Rabbit and Roger Rabbit or Jack Skellington and Sally were fighting like 5 years old children?),and I think that Chicken Little,Disney Princess TDVs and Winnie The Pooh films are MUCH mature then them.
I defiantly agree with akhenaten-I haven't seen Last Unicorn but how can you say that a film about war that the hero agrees to let her true love's go back to his home or Hunchback Of NoterDame with scenes like Hellfire to something like that?.

Ariel'sprince, if you think that Princess DTVs are more mature than "Anastasia" and other Don Bluth films, you are in dire need of a serious reality check.

What I meant is that it doesn't suffer from cute, funny sidekicks. "Pocahontas" and "Hunchback" could have been much darker and more mature if it hadn't been for them.

The story may seem simple at the surface: the unicorn is transformed in a human being and searches for the way to change back before it's too late - sounds like an average fairytale, but it's so much more. It's about learning about emotions you never experienced and trying to cope with them in the constant fear of losing your identity because of them.

I agree with your views on Miyazaki/Ghibli films, though I haven't seen all of them.

hmm... maybe we can add Charlotte's Web the list .. I don't remember if Brave Little Toaster has the Disney name on the cover.. even though it was made by Hyperion films..


speaking of Ever after.. how bout Pinocchio and the Emperor of Night?
I hear that one has some really scary stuff in it.. but so did Disney's Pinocchio..

I agree Bluth's stuff was better in the 80's than the 90's. save, Anastasia .. ( though I think that's an American Tail/Disney Princess Rip-off) but oh well)..


I only saw Swan Princess and King and I of Richard Rich's non-disney films.. (the latter being really bad).. wouldn't go near Trumpet and the Swan ..though I may get the book..

as for Fox and the Hound.. you have to remember that was one of the main reasons for Bluth leaving Disney.. I've oftened wondered what would've happened if Bluth stuck closer to the original story though..


I thought Atlantis ,Treasure Planet, and Tarzan were on the mature side as well...


also, slapping the Disney label doesn't necessarily mean instant recognition.. films like Black Cauldron,Great Mouse Detective ,and Home the Range have to yet to earn the recoginition of the past better recieved films..

PeterPanfan wrote:Ariel'sprince, if you think that Princess DTVs are more mature than "Anastasia" and other Don Bluth films, you are in dire need of a serious reality check.

No,I"m not.
Did Aurora and Phillip were fighting like 5 years old children in those DVDs? No,theyd didn't.
I didn't said Anatasia was bad,it had chidlish parts and the rest of his films are bad.
mooky_7_sa-Is there something darker then Hellfire there?.

No,I"m not.
Did Aurora and Phillip were fighting like 5 years old children in those DVDs? No,theyd didn't.

For good reason - "Sleeping Beauty" was made in the '50s, it wasn't standard at the time to have two sarcastic leads. How about Belle and the Beast bickering with each other after he saved her from the wolves?

I didn't said Anatasia was bad,it had chidlish parts and the rest of his films are bad.
mooky_7_sa-Is there something darker then Hellfire there?.

I agree, "Hellfire" is dark, but it's also just one small part of "Hunchback". There are other stuff in it that kill its dark atmosphere.

I absolutely love Bluth's work. The best thing that he did was leave Disney. Fox and the Hound wouldn't have been what it was without him. Don has always been one to push the envelope and not talk down to kids. Look at Land Before Time, its like Bambi with dinosaurs, except Don took the risk of showing his mother dying. Walt didn't. When it comes to animated movies, Don is right up there with Walt, IMO.

Now Last Unicorn....no way would I want Disney to touch that. As it is, parents complained so much about the word "damn" being in it, Lion's Gate edited out. Disney has folded their cards to people like that before and edited their movies to please idiots. I am SO glad I got the original German TLU DVD so the "damn" line is still in there. Yes, its one word, but it was VERY important to the scene. The whole feeling of it. The raw emotion Molly felt. I'm surprised they didn't put a black bar over the harpy and tree's breasts to please the parents who thought "damn" was some sort of scarlet word for their children. Forget the fact the Bible has damn and hell all over it. I hate over-protective hypocritical parents.

Also, none of the movies I've seen I'd want to see in Disney canon. Many of them stand very well without the Disney name. Did many of them do as well in the box office? No. But look at Iron Giant. Bombed and yet, it was probably one of the best animated movies ever. Not to mention Wizard ranked it at like #3 for best sci-fi movie. Box office means nothing. The general public are sheep, they will always be sheep. They laugh in the theaters when others laugh and don't even know if it was funny. I think if not for Titanic that year being an Oscar-whore, Anastasia's "Once Upon a December" would have won best song. I liked it FAR better than the Titanic theme. But majority aka sheep rule. Too much credit is given to box office numbers.

Yes, Anastasia has childish parts....its a family movie. All family movies have childish parts. Childish itself is just an opinion. Bambi has the whole ice skating scene, which was childish and a waste of time since it didn't contribute at all to the story, other than maybe give you a false sense of security before they kill his mother, but I still like it because its cute and fun.

mooky_7_sa wrote:

No,I"m not.
Did Aurora and Phillip were fighting like 5 years old children in those DVDs? No,theyd didn't.

For good reason - "Sleeping Beauty" was made in the '50s, it wasn't standard at the time to have two sarcastic leads. How about Belle and the Beast bickering with each other after he saved her from the wolves?

I didn't said Anatasia was bad,it had chidlish parts and the rest of his films are bad.
mooky_7_sa-Is there something darker then Hellfire there?.

I agree, "Hellfire" is dark, but it's also just one small part of "Hunchback". There are other stuff in it that kill its dark atmosphere.

There's HUGH difference between playing in the snow a bit for fun between "Ha-ha-I-stuck-my-tongue-like-a-5-years-old-while-you-didn't-noticed" or "Oh-look-at-me-I"m-dancing-with-my-dumb-friend",if they played in the snow it was cute.
Oh,how almost all the scenes with Esmeralda (Espically in the church and Topsy Turvy).

^ehh, I hate the "Ha-ha-I-stuck-my-tongue-like-a-5-years-old-while-you-didn't-noticed" scene with a passion.

Don Bluth's Anastasia, Thumbelina, An American Tail, Land Before Time and DreamWorks' Prince of Egypt, Road to El Dorado, Spirit and Sinbad are all great films and I'd like to have seen their Disney version.

Siren wrote:I think if not for Titanic that year being an Oscar-whore, Anastasia's "Once Upon a December" would have won best song. I liked it FAR better than the Titanic theme. But majority aka sheep rule. Too much credit is given to box office numbers.
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It was actually "Journey to the Past" that was nominated for an Oscar, although "December" was nominated along with "Journey" for the Golden Globe. It also annoys me that Anastasia did not win for score.

I think the swan princess was horrible movie im glad disney did not do it