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>>Probably it is nothing but a rumour, but it does make one wonder.<<

That's ridiculous. False. And anyone should be ashamed to spread a rumor like that.

The film should be seen widely to clear up these ridiculous ghosts that have been built up around it. At worst the film is not politicitcally correct, and it certainly is not racist.

It's a lovely story of the bond between a lonely boy and an enchanting storyteller. Though they are of different age, economic status and race, they are the best of friends. It's a positive message.

It's as if the urban legends originated out of the fact that Disney refuses to release it.

"Yes, there certainly was an edited release.
The 1986 theatrical version removed the "Tar Baby" scene because they thought it was politically incorrect. "

It's funny they aired it on the Disney Channel during the same period on Donald Duck Presents and Good Morning Mickey...

"Surely if it was recorded in native NTSC it would still have the 3:2 pulldown when screened resulting in "jerks"? "

With what program can you edit the frame rate? I have a UK DVD that I copied to Region 1 and I get jerks with the footage on the DVD player. I chalk it up to the frame rate because it slows down every now and then for a frame or two.

" I checked my DVD (a rip of the HK laserdisc) and it cuts exactly as you said, between "You and your stories" and "Miss Doshy...". Perhaps it's a natural editing error back in 1946, as they had to combine two separate takes? You can tell it's a different take as Miss Doshy's hands are slightly placed differently on her (bag, purse, knitting?). I wish I had screencapping abilities again, I'd be able to take different caps... "

In Darby O'Gill there's a cut like that on King Brian when Darby wishes his 3rd wish. Brian says "You don't know what ye're askin' for..." and it cuts. I think the word cut was "Man!"...but I heard a rumor he called Darby a diry old tator eatin' mobkey face and Disney feared an uprising from irish police so they cut it.

The ghosts of Song of the South IS from Disney's own doing. They treat the film like something is wrong with it so naturally people assume there is something wrong with it.

mplayer/mencoder and avidemux are good at adjusting speeds, if it's sped up PAL...

mplayer/mencoder it's easy: avidemux it's pretty simple too: set the framerate to 23.976, then use the audio filter "PAL -> Film"

With what program can you edit the frame rate? I have a UK DVD that I copied to Region 1 and I get jerks with the footage on the DVD player. I chalk it up to the frame rate because it slows down every now and then for a frame or two.

Is it a PAL DVD recorded from the UK PAL VHS?

If so, I want VOBs! LOL
I was going to just buy that VHS and have someone in Europe record it for me... but I'd do anything to save some cash and besides, most VHSes today are probably very worn.

drf, ain't that a bit too forward?

Still, if there were a good quality sped-up source at 25 fps, I could prolly easily make an NTSC restoration that isn't a noobjob like all the copies drf and I have found on the 'net.

>>I saw Song of the South for the VERY first time recently and I still dont know what is so controversial about it. Did I miss something? I loved it and kinda feel a little bit deprived ...having to wait till I am 27 to discover this masterpiece of a movie! It has the charm of So Dear to my Heart and I really love it! If someone can explain to me why Disneys so scared to release it I would certainly appreciate knowing...<<

Check out my article on the subject: "In Defense of Disney's Uncle Remus" (originally published on savedisney.com) at songofthesouth.net (a great site for everything SOTS):

http://songofthesouth.net/news/archives ... fense.html

More articles on the subject:

http://songofthesouth.net/news/archives/index.html

Ha! I've got the vhs-tape of SOTS for years now already!
Though you Americans have far wider choice in Disney treasures, we in Europe at least can get Song of the South!
Apparently Disney has no trouble releasing this movie at the European market.
If they are so worried a fuss will be made about SOTS in the USA, why not give a preview of the movie before a test-audience of mixed colours with some prominent Americans thrown in, and hear what they have to say about it?

If anything, I'd say SotS is somewhat "lame"... But the animated pieces are certainly good.

BelleGirl, do you have a settop DVD recorder by chance?

I need a native PAL VHS source so I can slow it down and make a native NTSC source. Even if it doesn't look as good as the BBC broadcast, it won't have frame ghosting...

drfsupercenter wrote:BelleGirl, do you have a settop DVD recorder by chance?

Sorry, I don't have a DVD-recorder!

What I have is a store bough Pal DVD of The Night They Saved Christmas. That movie has been in the UK for years but never released on DVD in the states. I wanted to see how hard it is to fix copy a DVD to Region 1 before I track down the Disney titles with stuff we don't have in the US. So once I have the film uploaded to my computer what program do I need to edit the frame rate with? I'd also like to be able to edit DVD's at some point. I teach animation history courses and it's VERY annoying to switch discs for examples and go through all the bells and whistles to show something on DVD that explains my point to a T or just an example of something I went over in class. That was my next step after I figure out the copying/buring part.

"Apparently Disney has no trouble releasing this movie at the European market."

In Europe you don't have agroup called the NAACP or token negroes like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson who find racism in EVERYTHING. They even make things up and rewrite history. Like one time they said that the term black balled was started to back black people but that term comes from ancient Rome where the Senate voted yes with white marbles and no with black. If you were voted out of office you were black balled. Stupid...


"If they are so worried a fuss will be made about SOTS in the USA, why not give a preview of the movie before a test-audience of mixed colours with some prominent Americans thrown in, and hear what they have to say about it?"

Disney doesn't care. They know people will buy it in droves but they fear the bad PR the leftist liberals will give them over the film being about happy slaves. Every black person I know who's seen the film loves it and they even poke fun at the reputation of the film. One guy I know went "Uncle Remus I love that wise old nigga'!" Really, Disney should just sell it to Ted Turner if they're not going to release it. I know he would. Look at all the films he has released that have stuff far more politically incorrect than SOTS. I just found out about a film with Negro Heaven that is a perpetual fish fry where they all smoke ten cent cigars and there's a fried chicken machine. Turner Classic Movies even aired it on Martin Luther King day. Way to go Ted. (And this film was one of the first all black produced films ever so it's black history. How can it be racist when people of that race made it? Oy!)

For slowing down a PAL DVD to play in America, I reccomend using avisynth to slow the actual frames down, then using TMPGEnc Plus to encode them as mpeg-2. You can do the audio seperately, using something like Cool Edit Pro or Audacity. (Though, if it's 5.1, good luck.)

If you need more technical how-to help, let me know.

Something like the whole picnic/lynch mob urban legend?

Hello,

This wil be my first post, so a little introduction. My Name is Raimond and my age is 25. The interest of Disney started when I met my girlfriend, because her parents where nuts about it. They collect everything, from toys to stuff for the christmas tree to dvds. I have now also a abonnement for disney Paris, and my interest for the dvd's and history of disney is growing and growing

That for intro, i have a few questions:
are there more sites in engish or dutch where i can read more about the history of the movies/ dvds

What is there so special about some classics like: SONGS OF THE SOUTH (topic) and Make mine music? So if i ask now a very stupid question, but I want to now everything about it.

I hope some of you van answer my questions.

Thanks:

Ps:

I see this online:

Song of the South 1946 Not currently scheduled; 60th Anniversary Edition DVD
rumor debunked; Sign up to get notified of a genuine release

http://www.petitiononline.com/sots1946/petition.html

Hi,

Both of those have not been released in original form in America.

Song of the South wasn't released in ANY form in America, and only on select media across the world... most being outdated (VHS, and a laserdisc made from that VHS), so people like me are trying to combine different international sources to make an American version of Song of the South.

Make Mine Music was released as part of the Gold Classics Collection, but it was edited on DVD (however, the VHS wasn't edited... but it's also inferior media )
Of the 10 (I think there's 10) animated shorts, one of them called The Martins and the Coys was removed.

Saludos Amigos and Melody Time were also edited, but are easily available unedited in England. (However, there is an unedited Make Mine Music DVD in some European countries... it's just not in the UK.)

drfsupercenter wrote:Make Mine Music was released as part of the Gold Classics Collection, but it was edited on DVD (however, the VHS wasn't edited...)

Yes, it was.

Albert

Are you sure?

Amazon lists the runtime as being quite a few minutes longer than the DVD... and we know Saludos Amigos and Meoldy Time VHSes weren't edited.

drfsupercenter wrote:Are you sure?

Given the fact that I own the VHS, yes, I'm sure.

drfsupercenter wrote:Amazon lists the runtime as being quite a few minutes longer than the DVD...

They also list that the Saludos Amigos VHS is 102 minutes when it's only 43 minutes.

And to add to the confusion, the actual DVD lists it as 75 because it includes the bonus program "South of the Border with Disney" in the runtime.

Albert