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Lazario wrote: A-HA! Another example of Disney saying when it comes to love, we should love and fall in love according to tradition. Anyone different or deformed is not worthy... Just like Disney, appearances matter most.

As a side note, I'd love to see a Disney animated movie with a gay couple. But I know that's not going to happen for a few decades (and that's being optimistic). At least they've got non-white couples now.

Lazario wrote:
Nah, I'm just kidding. Haven't seen the movie in almost a decade. It wasn't good enough, anyway. And all the damn spit and fart jokes. That was just nasty.

Even if you think the movie isn't good enough, you just should watch it again I think. Just to see that there are no 'spit and fart' jokes! (o.k. the goat lets out a big burp at one time)

BelleGirl wrote:

Ariel'sprince wrote: No but a girl shouldn't go to the guy's tower toadying to him with "You're no monster!" so he"ll came to her rescue and then dumping him for blondy becuase he looks like a "monster",that was rude of her if she loved Blondy from the beginning at least she shouldn't toadying for him to save her .

But this just shows the selflessness of Quasimodo the more; he knows the girl he loves is in love with another yet he saves her out of friendship.
And to defend Esmeralda: just because she was kind to Quasimodo doesn't have to mean she was in love with him; never did she tell him " I love you". So she didn't 'dump' Quasimodo, she just happened to fall in love with 'blondie' Phoebus.

As for you remark about "Pocahontas", Ariel'sprince: he did not return but they would meet again one more time in England.

No,he didn't.
If she dosn't love him then she *happends* to talk to him the whole,and besides-they're "outcasts" in their world,perfact match,but no,she wanted blondie.
Um,yeah,they meet and go back TOGETHER to Virginia,yay! .
Well,i just read the script and there are spit jokes,Disney .

Ariel'sprince wrote:

As for you remark about "Pocahontas", Ariel'sprince: he did not return but they would meet again one more time in England.

No,he didn't.

Yes indeed he did meet her in England! Read the interview with Irene Bedard if you don't believe me!

Um,yeah,they meet and go back TOGETHER to Virginia,yay! .

Nope, they don't!

Well,i just read the script and there are spit jokes,Disney .

Hmmm... have to watch HOND again to see it. Esmeralda spat at Frollo that is true, but in that case it was SERIOUS.

BelleGirl wrote:

Ariel'sprince wrote: No,he didn't.

Yes indeed he did meet her in England! Read the interview with Irene Bedard if you don't believe me!

You mean the Disney version? (i know what happend in history).

Um,yeah,they meet and go back TOGETHER to Virginia,yay! .

Nope, they don't!

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They do (Okey,i know they don't in the cheapquel and history but let's say they did! the cheapquel never happend!).

Well,i just read the script and there are spit jokes,Disney .

Hmmm... have to watch HOND again to see it. Esmeralda spat at Frollo that is true, but in that case it was SERIOUS.

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I was actually was talking about the Gargoyles wait,she did spat? that's nasty (thank heavens she's not a Disney Princess).

Ariel'sprince wrote:

Yes indeed he did meet her in England! Read the interview with Irene Bedard if you don't believe me!

You mean the Disney version? (i know what happend in history).

I mean in history but so it seems also in the Disney version

Well,i just read the script and there are spit jokes,Disney .

Hmmm... have to watch HOND again to see it. Esmeralda spat at Frollo that is true, but in that case it was SERIOUS.

I was actually was talking about the Gargoyles wait,she did spat? that's nasty (thank heavens she's not a Disney Princess).

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Well... she was standing at the stake about to be burned at the time she did that. I cannot blameher for being 'nasty'in these circusmtances!

BelleGirl wrote:

Ariel'sprince wrote: You mean the Disney version? (i know what happend in history).

I mean in history but so it seems also in the Disney version

Really? she said that in the interview? anyway i prefer thinking they got their happily ever after somehow .

Well,i just read the script and there are spit jokes,Disney .

I was actually was talking about the Gargoyles wait,she did spat? that's nasty (thank heavens she's not a Disney Princess).

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Well... she was standing at the stake about to be burned at the time she did that. I cannot blameher for being 'nasty'in these circusmtances!

I saw the clip on YouTube now,well,she could have said "Never!!!" or kick him or something (maybe not kicking since she was tied up) but she chose to spit on him that's nasty (for exmaple-i forgive Mulan since she did thought it's nasty but had to make people think she's a guy so she had to act like those nasty soldiers).

Fox and the Hound...but probably because it involves animals. That always gets me.

I saw the clip on YouTube now,well,she could have said "Never!!!" or kick him or something (maybe not kicking since she was tied up) but she chose to spit on him that's nasty (for exmaple-i forgive Mulan since she did thought it's nasty but had to make people think she's a guy so she had to act like those nasty soldiers).

So you're bashing her for spitting on an old pervert who's about to unjustly burn her at the stake?

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Tough crowd.

Anyway, I've never really found any film Disney particularly sad. Fox and the Hound ended happily to me. And I simply didn't like Pocahontas enough to care. I guess Lion King is the only film I cry with every time I watch it.

And, of course, Hercules was sad. I mean, Megara actually has to die twice. Once is enough for me.

Disney's Divinity wrote:

I saw the clip on YouTube now,well,she could have said "Never!!!" or kick him or something (maybe not kicking since she was tied up) but she chose to spit on him that's nasty (for exmaple-i forgive Mulan since she did thought it's nasty but had to make people think she's a guy so she had to act like those nasty soldiers).

So you're bashing her for spitting on an old pervert who's about to unjustly burn her at the stake?

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Tough crowd.

Nope,I dislike her because she left Quasimudo for blondie.
But she also was bad when she spat! good thing she's not a Disney Princess.

BelleGirl wrote:

Pocahontas' ending was more of a "we're even now" type of ending, for me

What exactly do you mean with that?

I agree with Lazario that there was more at stake in Pocahontas.

Lazario wrote:

BelleGirl wrote:What exactly do you mean with that?

Ditto. I think you gots some 'splainin'z to do, Vermin.

Sorry, I didn't know that you guys were asking.

So anyway- although Pocahontas and John Smith were together, I can't call it love, more like a couple of really big dates. At the end of the movie, she saved his life from her people, and he saved her father's life from his people. Therefore I believe it was more of a "we're even now", and they stopped dating.

Don't get me wrong- I love Pocahontas, it's just this is how I interpret the ending, which is why it's not so sad for me. However, I can relate to The Fox and the Hound, since I've practically lived it.

Vermin Friends wrote:So anyway- although Pocahontas and John Smith were together, I can't call it love...

Sorry, but I too am going to have to disagree with you.

It's very obvious that their relationship is love. Pure, romantic love. They were practically created to be soulmates, which is especially indicated by the magic that surrounds them, like the leaves blowing around them in the wind and the spirits working their magic to do things like make Poca speak English almost immediately.

Here's a link to an excellent analysis of that romance, that I think is worth reading:

http://cbl.orcein.net/pocahontas/misc1/ ... estory.htm


Getting back on topic, I think both of those films' endings were quite bittersweet.

It's more evident now that "If I Never Knew You" has been added back in. I used to agree with you, Vermin Friends, but now that I've seen the movie with that scene back in.... I know that they loved each other deeply!