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Siren wrote:And Disney has done with share of rip-offs. With Lion King being very similar to Kimba, the White Lion.

But hasn't Disney explicitly denied their film to have any tie with Kimba the White Lion. I believe the artists who worked on the film even said that they'd never heard of Kimba. Could Disney's The Lion King just be coincidentally similar to Kimba?

Siren wrote:I also remember seeing a page on how much Atlantis looked like some old anime.

I do too, but in this case I think Gary Trousdale and Kirk Wise themselves admitted being influenced and inspired by some anime film. I think it was a Miyazaki film from the 80s.

Here are a couple websites about the "Atlantis"/"Nadia" controversy:

http://utd500.utdallas.edu/~hairston/atlantis.html
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2001-07-19

Julian Carter wrote:

Siren wrote:And Disney has done with share of rip-offs. With Lion King being very similar to Kimba, the White Lion.

But hasn't Disney explicitly denied their film to have any tie with Kimba the White Lion. I believe the artists who worked on the film even said that they'd never heard of Kimba. Could Disney's The Lion King just be coincidentally similar to Kimba?

Yeah and because Disney have always chosen to be more honest then Pinocchio we should believe them?

Kimba was not just in Japan, it was aired here in the USA for a couple of decades as Kimba and Leo, the White Lion. So Disney can deny all they want. I am sorry, but there are WAY too many similarities between the two to call them "coincidences". Stampede, father's death and subsequent ghost, uncle has a black mane and a scar, the "throne" for the king is a huge rock formation, I mean, come on. You can't really believe that Disney didn't steal some ideas there.
And the artists didn't write the story! So people keep saying, that the artists don't know about Kimba....again, hogwash. Let's put it this way....Hello Kitty is Japan's Mickey Mouse. While Kimba was probably their Bugs Bunny. Not AS famous, but still well known from the 70s and on. It was aired in the USA, at the same time future Disney writers and artists were probably kids, so for them to say they don't know, we ought to have seen their noses growing. I am 28, Kimba was before my time and I knew about him when I was 5 years old, before I know was anime and dubbing was about. You can claim Disney is that damn stupid all you want, but I will not be insulted as to someone insist to me that it was all a coincidence.

And that's not to say I don't like Lion King. I like Lion King more than Kimba actually. But I won't pull the wool over my eyes and pretend Disney was actually being original when they came up with it.

Disney ripped off Shakespeare more than Kimba for the Lion King. Seriously, watch Kimba, its a totally different story. Kimba is all about the environment, he tries to get the animals to farm instead of eating each other.

Maerj wrote:Disney ripped off Shakespeare more than Kimba for the Lion King. Seriously, watch Kimba, its a totally different story. Kimba is all about the environment, he tries to get the animals to farm instead of eating each other.

No, Disney didn't rip off Shakespeare, they give credit to it that they took elements of Hamlet. Well, they took elements of Kimba too. The full storyline is not the same no, but important elements like the father being killed, the uncle's appearance, and the ghost of the father, etc, they obviously were influenced. Shakespeare can't sue them for using his ideas. But Kimba's owners can, Disney is just trying to cover it's own arse.

Siren wrote: No, Disney didn't rip off Shakespeare, they give credit to it that they took elements of Hamlet. Well, they took elements of Kimba too. The full storyline is not the same no, but important elements like the father being killed, the uncle's appearance, and the ghost of the father, etc, they obviously were influenced.

I'm not trying to start an argument, and, even though I've read a lot about the whole Kimba/TLK controversy, you probably know more about it than I do, Siren. But, Littlefoot's mom died in "The Land Before Time", and she comes back (as a shadow/ghost). Many movies have similarities, I'm sure. I just thought of that and wanted to bring it up...

A lot of movies have parents die and come back as ghosts, spirits, voices, etc. But for me, the other movies don't blatenly take from other works. Disney's Dinosaur for instance took a lot from Land Before Time. Group of dinosaurs travel together, are chased by large carnivorous dinosaurs, and are on a journey to find the nesting grounds/great valley. I am not trying to argue, simply because I refuse to because I look at the evidence and come to only one conclusion and that is that Disney is not the only victim of getting ripped off. They rip off others as well.

Well... families are funny. People can claim they rake in the most income... but they also buy way more crap than any other groups of people in the U.S. These rip-offs wouldn't exist if people (families, I'm looking at you!) would stop buying any old colorful, child-friendly garbage on the shelves...