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Lady wrote:why is everyone talking about Basil when they should be talking about the Pocahontas special edition DVD digital restoration!

Well, you see Lady, Basil has written some offensive comments that deserve 0 tolerance. That's why the topic changed dramatically.

Lady wrote:why is everyone talking about Basil when they should be talking about the Pocahontas special edition DVD digital restoration!

I'm mostly to blame.

I broke the Golden Rule of internet forums, and that is responding to troll posting. Based on the comments he made and subsequent follow-up comments it's clear to me that it was an intentional act to 1) get attention and have everyone focus on him in this thread and 2) to have a reason to continually post in this thread.

So, I'll try and practice some restraint from here on out and I suggest everyone else do the same. If things continue to get out of hand I'm certain appropriate steps will be taken.

Now Mr. Pumpkinhead...this is NOT indicative of the discussion potential of threads here and I apologize for getting baited and taking the subject off path. Pocahontas is one of those releases, like Lilo & Stitch, that I have held off purchasing in hopes that it would get a better release. Hopefully these upcoming SEs or MEs or whatever they are called will be worth the wait.

indianajdp wrote:

BasilOfBakerStreet427 wrote:Screw 9/11! That should have been the ending!

You can't be serious.

That would have been a PR nightmare the likes of which even Disney would have been hard-pressed to recover from anytime soon. If this is indeed how things happened then I not only support the decision to revise but I also applaud it.

Well, no doubt I'm stepping on toes here - but you know, terrorists use bombs all over the world? They always have and always will. London (and other areas) were repeatedly bombed by the IRA. But it doesn't stop Hollywood from releasing a glut of "action" movies each year where the main plotline is to stop terrorists with bombs. And in some films terrorists with bombs do bomb a few buildings in the course of the story (just to show how EVIL they are). You could almost say Hollywood celebrated such real world tradagies so extreme and exagerated the action films became.

But what's most important is the fact that London did have periods of high terrorist activity and none of them stopped people in the UK from wanting to see such films FOR ENTERTAINMENT (in general, some did complain at certain films).

Hell, even "24" on the television has such plots. And that's post 9/11.

I don't know the context of the plane scene, but I understood it to be mostly down a canyon. Wasn't the whole "look" of Lilo and Stitch that of a sort of small town area? Wouldn't they be wanting to stick to this through-out the film? I've never heard the skyscraper reference before when reading about the deleted scenes.

The fact that Disney (apparently) feel as though they can show the deleted sequence now, show that it was probably a reaction on the side of caution to delete it in the first place.

Update

After reading through the second page of posts I've decided to clarify my statement a bit more:

You (as a nation) will never come to terms with the Twin Towers attack unless you move on. Lots of things happen every day which although smaller affect families just as much. Drive by shootings, muggings, car crashes... the list is almost endless. But nobody would suggest dodging these issues in films or other forms of entertainment. More people die from gun deaths each year, but I don't see anyone trimming guns from movies.

Disney may or may not have been right to remove the sequence from Lilo and Stitch - we won't know until we see it (or at least as much of it as was completed), but were Disney right to remove most of the swords and knifes from Treasure Planet in a reaction to 9/11?

That, plus the hypocrisy of the media worldwide where it was wrong to show any film or television series with the slightest possible connection to the twin towers attack (in case of offence) but it was okay to keep showing the actual real-life footage sometimes on an endless loop when everyone would have already seen it repeatedly (even if they didn't want to see it again for whatever personal preference - grief, disgust, wanting to protect their children from the images, whatever) it was hard to avoid.

What's going to offend or upset the American public more? Endless reruns of the actual event showing real people loosing their lives or a cartoon fantasy with a sequence that's probably 20% connected to the event? (If that)

I just read over this post and couldn't believe what Basil wrote! Not to pick on him (or her-I can't remember), but that's very insensitive! I don't live in the US, so it didn't hit very close to home. But I felt and still feel horrible for the victims and their families.
And as a human being, I'm appalled at how someone thinks that they are in authority to decide who lives and who dies. A life is a life-it is not possible to decide whether or not someone's life is more important than another's. When I see images of the towers, I'm still amazed at the evil we allow to reign in this world.

Just my little rant...

2099net wrote:You (as a nation) will never come to terms with the Twin Towers attack unless you move on. Lots of things happen every day which although smaller affect families just as much. Drive by shootings, muggings, car crashes... the list is almost endless. But nobody would suggest dodging these issues in films or other forms of entertainment. More people die from gun deaths each year, but I don't see anyone trimming guns from movies.

Disney may or may not have been right to remove the sequence from Lilo and Stitch - we won't know until we see it (or at least as much of it as was completed), but were Disney right to remove most of the swords and knifes from Treasure Planet in a reaction to 9/11?

That, plus the hypocrisy of the media worldwide where it was wrong to show any film or television series with the slightest possible connection to the twin towers attack (in case of offence) but it was okay to keep showing the actual real-life footage sometimes on an endless loop when everyone would have already seen it repeatedly (even if they didn't want to see it again for whatever personal preference - grief, disgust, wanting to protect their children from the images, whatever) it was hard to avoid.

What's going to offend or upset the American public more? Endless reruns of the actual event showing real people loosing their lives or a cartoon fantasy with a sequence that's probably 20% connected to the event? (If that)

I wholeheartedly agree, Netty. I was very annoyed when Sony went back and digitally erased all images of the Twin Towers from Spider-Man last year. I mean, how is pretending that they never existed healthy? Yes, if left in, they would date the movie. That's all. Nothing more.
What's worse, they didn't include the original teaser trailer on the dvd - the one involving Spidey weaving a gigantic web between the towers to catch a helicopter. Not present whatsoever. Not even as an Easter egg. Fuh. They could have done something tasteful and compromising like divide the promotional galleries between "pre-" and "post-" attack posters and trailers, etc. But no. Just close your eyes and pretend it's not there.

I'm even more pissed at Fox right now. Late last year, their marketers decided to change the enemy ship in Master and Commander from the American Norfolk - which is what it is in the book - to the French ship, Acheron. The ever-so-wise people at Fox didn't think the U.S. public would stand to see Americans portrayed as the bad guys (because, you know, we're the greatest nation EVER ), so they changed them to French.
Now, being that a lot of the books in the 20-volume series are based in the Napoleanic Wars, many times the bad guys are French. But isn't it funny how the French had been recently deemed "enemies" by all the jingoistic morons in this country because they refused to aid Bush on his "noble" Iraqi crusade? How convenient that they've become the bad guys in this film. Based on the 10th volume, where the bad guys were American. They even moved the date back from the War of 1812 to 1805 - just to make the "Napoleanic Wars" excuse viable.
That's why I ain't seeing this film. Looks well-made and everything, but the cowardly political undercurrents bother me to no end.

I wonder if Disney will try to remove the Twin Towers from Oliver & Company.... that would be so stupid.

The Spider-man thing really chomps my gut, too. That was a wicked awesome trailer, and I saw it in theaters before Jurassic Park III and it clearly must have cost a good deal of money, as it was created entirely as a trailer and not as scene in the film. To pretend that it never existed is stupid. Fortunately, it was on some magazine's DVD preview disc, and high-quality files exist on the Internet. But that was one of the coolest teaser trailers I've seen, and they remove it.

And it celebrated the Twin Towers. It would have been a fitting tribute - especially if an appropriate caption was place before or after the trailer on the DVD.