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I think what were modern quips back in the Snow White/Cinderella/Aurora eras are probably lost on modern audiences. "I'm so ashamed of the fuss I've made . . ." comes to mind. No one uses the word "fuss" these days but my grandmother and my wife's grandmother (who probably are the same age as Snow White would be) use it all the time (e.g., "Don't make a fuss over me".)

It's kind of like Ariel saying, "Oh my gosh! Have you ever seen anything so wonderful in your entirely life?" I was almost 16 when TLM came out so I'm about the same age as Ariel would be and when I was in high school, we said, "Oh my gosh!" all the time. But previously no princess had said anything like it. And now a days, it doesn't seem so hip/edgy because it's been part of the vernacular in American English for so long, it seems, well, normal.

I think what is "timeless" evolves over time. Rapunzel's excessive use of "like" may seem completely timeless by the time the film is 50 years old (imho, anyway)

I still hear the word "fuss" all the time. And Ariel saying "Oh my gosh!" was pretty jarring to me even back then, and I still don't think it sounds normal or timeless. But Ariel became mute halfway through so that was fine. I only remember Rapunzel using "like" twice, both times while she was singing, but it was two times too much for me. Rapunzel already came across as modern from the way she acted and her inflections when she spoke, it just wasn't necessary to add 'freak out' and 'like' to her vocabulary just to hammer in the point OH LOOK SHE IS A BUBBLY CUTE TEENAGER YOU CAN TOTALLY HANG OUT WITH.

I do agree that what is "timeless" evolves over time, but only up to a certain point. Modern language doesn't ruin the movie for me; I liked Tangled, LM, Frozen a lot, and Mulan is one of my favorite movies. But they feel just short of being a timeless classic or a masterpiece. I don't even think I'm that picky when it comes to modern quips either. The only things that really bugged me were obvious modern quotes like 'freak out' and 'like', and 'I don't do backstory' (wait, what? didn't even bother me much). I just think there are other ways to say things that don't sound as jarring.

However, not using modern language doesn't automatically make the movie a classic masterpiece either. Pocahontas would be an example of that.

I'm personally not fond of the cute and bubbly princesses tbh, but I think they're a reflection of the teenage girls of nowadays obsessed with facebook/instagram/the like, so I can't complain "they're too modern" since Disney has always their main leads as to resonate with the audiences of the moment. Like how Cinderella and Aurora are icons of women in the 50s ala Audrey Hepburn, or how Ariel and Jasmine were icons to women in the 90s in american media.

I was thinking that too. Rupunzel & Anna remind me of "Disney channel queens", you know the teen actresses they like to push on the Disney Channel in those awful DC comedies. I think thats who they are paternning them after.

I watched "Frozen" yesterday and enjoyed it tremendously. I was shocked to see it was 100+ minutes in length, it felt so brief. There were A LOT of songs but fortunately, most of them worked so it's great.

I also noticed they never used the shot of Arendelle from afar as seen in the trailers (the image that opens all of the trailers for the movie) which is a shame 'cause I remember being struck by it.

Anyway, an excellent film.

unprincess wrote:

I'm personally not fond of the cute and bubbly princesses tbh, but I think they're a reflection of the teenage girls of nowadays obsessed with facebook/instagram/the like, so I can't complain "they're too modern" since Disney has always their main leads as to resonate with the audiences of the moment. Like how Cinderella and Aurora are icons of women in the 50s ala Audrey Hepburn, or how Ariel and Jasmine were icons to women in the 90s in american media.

I was thinking that too. Rupunzel & Anna remind me of "Disney channel queens", you know the teen actresses they like to push on the Disney Channel in those awful DC comedies. I think thats who they are paternning them after.

Actually Rapunzel and Anna are a little bit more heroic and have some great stuff to teach. Yes, they may be clumsy and stuff but at the end of the day theymake sacrifices and they are brave like the 90's princesses.

Look at all of the awards Frozen has already won!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_%28 ... #Accolades

RyGuy wrote: It's kind of like Ariel saying, "Oh my gosh! Have you ever seen anything so wonderful in your entirely life?" I was almost 16 when TLM came out so I'm about the same age as Ariel would be and when I was in high school, we said, "Oh my gosh!" all the time. But previously no princess had said anything like it. And now a days, it doesn't seem so hip/edgy because it's been part of the vernacular in American English for so long, it seems, well, normal.

I disagree. It sticks out like a sore thumb, tbh, which is how many of the phrases used in Frozen and Tangled will probably seem in the future. Thankfully, TLM has much fewer of them.

I don't particularly care, personally, but it is something that can keep a film from being timeless.

disneyprincess11 wrote:Look at all of the awards Frozen has already won!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_%28 ... #Accolades

The Wind Rises has won more.

Divinity, you think "oh my gosh" sticks out like a sore thumb? I'm surprised, I think it fits Ariel's character perfectly. I'm not surprised to hear people say that it stuck out to them when it first came out, but by now I think oh my gosh is ingrained enough in society that it's doesn't stick out at all to me.

It sticks out more now because I never hear anyone talk like that. I'm thinking especially when Scuttle clues her into how she missed the recital--"Oh. My. GOSH!!!--My father's gonna kill me!"

nomad2010 wrote:I'm also getting really tired of this whole "romance is bad" idea. A girl can be independent and still want to fall in love. A guy can too. Why can't we strike a balance? Because I really miss those big epic romances.

Agreed.

BRAVE isn't dark on romance.

It's dark on marriage without romance. Marriages without love. Arranged marriages and marriages for titles.

Merida wasn't ready to be married, because there was no romance, or love. By the end of the film, this is understood, and so each of the three boys attempt to court her with romance, as it should be, which she allows.

"Let It Go" is among the 75 songs shortlisted for Best Original Song at the Oscars. Frozen also obtained 2 nominations at the Critic's Choice Awards yesterday for Best Animated Film and Best song, the same categories it was nominated in the Golden Globes.

And here's another "For your consideration" ad:


Source:http://www.awardsdaily.com/FYC/gallery/ ... hp?id=3168

I love how the FYC ads focus on Elsa lol

That should have been an actual poster !

Funny how she wasn't in the film a lot as well, but is featured most in award ads.

Ahhh I love that poster. It's amazing how great a poster can be when they simply use a frame from the film.

They're really milking that 'best since The Lion King' thing... Will BH6 be the 'best since Frozen'?

Whatever. The posters do look nice.

Victurtle wrote:BRAVE isn't dark on romance.

It's dark on marriage without romance. Marriages without love. Arranged marriages and marriages for titles.

Merida wasn't ready to be married, because there was no romance, or love. By the end of the film, this is understood, and so each of the three boys attempt to court her with romance, as it should be, which she allows.

Actually... I think Merida didn't want to get married because she wasn't ready for marriage yet. I don't think it has anything to do with romance. Merida was simply young and not ready to take such a big step towards the future.

That's just my opinion..

Disney Movie Club is now taking pre-orders for "Frozen" on Blu-ray/DVD combo packs and 3-D Blu-ray, DVD combo paks. If you order now, no release date as yet, you will save $10 on the price that those who don't pre-order have to pay.

They said something about a special bonus for all pre-orders which makes me think that a soundtrack CD may be included in the set. That would be cool!

The movie didn't interest me till I saw so many good reviews....well headlines for good reviews. Once I decided to see it, I avoided reading them due to the chance of spoilers. I saw it today, and though I don't feel it was as strong as Lion King or Beauty and the Beast, it was still ahead of Princess and the Frog and Tangled.

Animation wise, it was stunning. Right up there with Finding Nemo when it comes to CGI animation.
Music, I found my least favorite songs were short and sweet. It is not that I felt they were bad, I just didn't feel they were very strong. Of course, Let It Go was another story all together. VERY strong song. Lyrical, scoring and voice. It reminded me heavily of Reflection from Mulan. Do You Want To Build a Snowman and For The First Time In Forever were nice songs though.

Olaf and Sven....I am rarely a fan of sidekicks. They often annoy me and just slow down the story. Like the gator in Princess and the Frog. There are many examples of useful sidekicks who help the story along of course, but sometimes they just seem to kill it. Sven was adorable. I liked how he didn't talk, but Christoff talked FOR him. It was kinda tongue in cheek to me when it comes to Disney's history of talking animals. Olaf, I saw him from the first teaser and rolled my eyes. I expected to hate him, completely. I dreaded the moment he finally came on screen. And then I got over it. He was funny and useful throughout the movie.

ETA: Oh and Elsa's sexy walk in Let It Go...fantastic

taei wrote:

Victurtle wrote:BRAVE isn't dark on romance.

It's dark on marriage without romance. Marriages without love. Arranged marriages and marriages for titles.

Merida wasn't ready to be married, because there was no romance, or love. By the end of the film, this is understood, and so each of the three boys attempt to court her with romance, as it should be, which she allows.

Actually... I think Merida didn't want to get married because she wasn't ready for marriage yet. I don't think it has anything to do with romance. Merida was simply young and not ready to take such a big step towards the future.

That's just my opinion..

Agreed, but I think it had little to do with age. Ariel married at 16. Merida just wasn't ready to settle down. She wanted to live her life, by her rules.