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D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:40 pm I won’t let Wish’s failure put me in despair. This can be a learning moment for Disney. All they need to do is learn that people want to see them go back to hand-drawn animation on a bigger scale beyond #OnceUponAStudio, starting with Walt Disney Animation Studios’ Disney+ #ThePrincessAndTheFrog sequel series #Tiana (when it comes out in late 2024 or in 2025) and maybe that #MickeyMouse movie they can put back into production for a theatrical release in 2028 for Mickey’s 100th birthday called #TheSearchForMickeyMouse, which #OnceUponAStudio’s directors/writers, animator Eric Goldberg, and Disney composer/lyricist Richard Sherman (before he passes on) can work on now or after the potential win of #OnceUponAStudio at the Oscars for Best Animated Short this coming Spring.

blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:11 pm "I'm A Star":
But if you just see the mushrooms then you'll understand

Why just the mushrooms?

blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:11 pm"This Is The Thanks I Get?!":
I'd give the clothes off Benito's back...
I'd be the first one to volunteer, Henry!
...
Since the day you were born
And the day that we met

I find it weird because who are Benito and Henry, and I guess what does Magnifico offering their services have to do with what he's singing about? I get that he's saying he'd do anything for his kingdom... And for many in the kingdom, they weren't born there...

UmbrellaFish wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:32 pm The one lyric that annoys me every time I hear it is in “I’m a Star” (a song which despite my issues I’ve just written about, I enjoy best out of the soundtrack): “Watch out world here I are.” You can really tell the songwriters are more accustomed to writing pop than musical theatre!

UmbrellaFish wrote:This also stuck out to me and I wondered if it wasn’t supposed to be a shrooms joke…?

Development on “Wish” began in 2018, and Veerasunthorn joined the project as head of story two years later. But after the first internal work-in-progress screening, the film was at an impasse. Star, a character that, as its name suggests, is a celestial body, originally could speak. But a wishing star that provided direct guidance didn’t allow Asha the space to figure out her own journey. Veerasunthorn offered solutions. Lee recalled of that period: “She was the one who said, ‘This is never going to come together if you can’t feel that what we’re ultimately saying is that this is not just about celebrating wishes. This is about really showing the importance of you working hard to make your dreams come true.’”

After that “Wish” screening, Lee — who also served as the film’s co-writer and executive producer — offered Veerasunthorn a directing role alongside Buck in early 2022. It was similar to the transition Lee herself had made on “Frozen,” when she joined Buck as a director midway through that production. For Buck, who made his directorial debut on the 1999 Disney film “Tarzan,” forgoing solo duties again was a welcome reprieve. “These movies are such monsters that, hats off to someone who can do it by themselves. I can’t,” he said, adding that he needs the support. “I love the collaboration.”

Away from the studio, Veerasunthorn and her husband, Ryan Green, whom she met in college and who also works in animation at Disney, share a daughter, Kina, who is 7. When Kina first watched the film’s ending, she was left bawling. Further test screenings would lead the directors to alter the finale to be less traumatic.

blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:11 pm Some of these song criticisms of mine I've had from the first listen(s)...I listened to the soundtrack a lot at work today. I absolutely love it, but some lyrics I find strange:

"This Is The Thanks I Get?!":
I'd give the clothes off Benito's back...
I'd be the first one to volunteer, Henry!

I find it weird because who are Benito and Henry, and I guess what does Magnifico offering their services have to do with what he's singing about? I get that he's saying he'd do anything for his kingdom...

Sotiris wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:47 pm

When Kina first watched the film’s ending, she was left bawling. Further test screenings would lead the directors to alter the finale to be less traumatic.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/24/movi ... thorn.html

The Disneynerd wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:35 pm Spiderverses Comic book style with those iconic comic dots wouldnt also work in 2d for the same reason.

Mooky wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:02 pm I believe the song is supposed to be understood as Magnifico venting out loud, and "Benito" and "Henry" are supposed to be stand-ins for regular Rosas folk, sort of like a "Tom, Dick & Harry" archetype. Like, "I'd do this and that for any of them, and yet they repay me by questioning my actions". Except he wouldn't, because the lyrics are actually a clever wordplay meant to indicate just how egotistical Magnifico actually is.

- "I'd give the clothes off Benito's back": the idiom is to "give the shirt off one's (own) back", meaning give away everything they possess, and Magnifico would not be giving away his possessions, but "Benito"'s (a regular person's)

- "I'd be the first one to volunteer -- Henry": another wordplay where at first it seems Magnifico volunteers himself for whatever action is required, only for him to yell "Henry" in the end. Because of that addition, that line takes on a whole new meaning -- he's volunteering "Henry" (another regular person) instead of himself.

Mooky wrote:

Sotiris wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:47 pm Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/24/movi ... thorn.html

So I take that as there were actual deaths in the original version, either one of the protagonists' fake-out death (I assume Asha's, and then people's wishes were supposed to bring her back to life), or Magnifico's demise was deemed too scary for kids so he only ends up imprisoned in his staff/mirror.

blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:57 am That makes perfect sense- thank you!!!!

The Disneynerd wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:35 pm I think the movie will end up grossing around 200-300 Million$, but clearly not 400+.

D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:40 pm I won’t let Wish’s failure put me in despair. This can be a learning moment for Disney. All they need to do is learn that people want to see them go back to hand-drawn animation on a bigger scale beyond #OnceUponAStudio, starting with Walt Disney Animation Studios’ Disney+ #ThePrincessAndTheFrog sequel series #Tiana (when it comes out in late 2024 or in 2025) and maybe that #MickeyMouse movie they can put back into production for a theatrical release in 2028 for Mickey’s 100th birthday called #TheSearchForMickeyMouse, which #OnceUponAStudio’s directors/writers, animator Eric Goldberg, and Disney composer/lyricist Richard Sherman (before he passes on) can work on now or after the potential win of #OnceUponAStudio at the Oscars for Best Animated Short this coming Spring.

I also think its a great lesson for Disney, but not because of the animation. The big thing Disney need to get from this is that at the end of the day, STORY matters, its what we all come (back) for. I could look over Wishs Animation Style, but the bland story is what most people including me complain about. I think it would be also cool if Wish was in 2d, but this wouldnt have changed my perception that the story is so soulless. I think you could compare it to Little Mermaid with maybe Princess and the Frog or Aladdin: you can clearly tell that Little Mermaids Animation isnt as clean or polished as the latter 2, you could screenshot them and see how beautiful the artwork was done, thats mostly due to them being made in CAPS and Mermaid being the last which was animated with the cel method thing so the animation doesnt look as sharp and eye pleasing as the other ones (just my opinion and im not saying Mermaids animation is bad, which its not, just saying the other movies animation look a bit better). I could even throw in other movies like Fox and Hound or Robin Hood etc. You could say their animation isnt as detailed or eye pleasing as the newer ones from the 2000s (ESPECIALLY CG animation aged), but their story is what will be timeless at the end, thats what drives me back to watch them again, THATS the thing that will make the movies stand the test of time, including Mermaid and Shrek (2) of course (I Love those movies ). What I wanna say with this is that the animation style shouldnt and wont be the selling point. Im also a fan of classic 2d Animation, and Animation can elevate a story, but if there IS no story, then even the most beautiful animation cant save it. STORY is the heart of every movie, characters and their flaws that fill the story and a great personal lesson, everything Wish doesnt have.
And Im not against CG animation AT ALL! Sometimes you even benefit from it even more than 2d Animation! For example, Miraculous would have been actually 2d (anime), but doing Ladybugs costume in 2d would have been difficult to do in handdrwan because of her dots in her costume, thats the main reason why they switched the series into 3d (would have been more eyepleasing in 2d but its alright) . And Spiderverses Comic book style with those iconic comic dots wouldnt also work in 2d for the same reason. And I think those elements elevate the experience and feel of those movies/ series. With CG you can add details that you cant in 2d, but its only benefitial if the story demands those details.

bruno_wbt wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:29 pm It's clear that people aren't interested in new original stories, they just want remakes and sequels.

Frozen 3 and 4 are going to have a great success...

DisneyJedi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:54 pm

bruno_wbt wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:29 pm It's clear that people aren't interested in new original stories, they just want remakes and sequels.

Frozen 3 and 4 are going to have a great success...

That’s the message I’m worried that Disney will get and be all, “Well, I guess you guys don’t want original stories and more stylized animation. So we’ll just pump out more remakes and sequels with standard looking CGI forever.”

carolinakid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:14 am WDW Pro has an interesting you tube video about several animators coming forward to tell how Wish was taken over by activists who turned it from charming to propaganda.