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There was a year gap between TLJ and TROS. At the end of TLJ, most of the Resistance was killed and they tried to reach out to allies but didn't receive any help. However, Resistance Reborn, the book set between TLJ and TROS said that the First Order was specifically jamming their communications so that allies wouldn't hear and even more than that was that they had been actively locking up all their allies to keep the Resistance isolated. In that book, which is set right after TLJ, Leia and the Resistance start rescuing their allies, recruiting new ones, and building up their fleet again. So in a whole year after that, it makes sense that the Resistance would have grown especially from all those who were inspired by Luke's story on Crait like the ending to TLJ showed with Broom Boy. That story would need time to grow and spread throughout the galaxy.

In the case of Palpatine there were some hints. In Rey's vision in TFA, Palpatine is the only evil figure who speaks (the rest are all Jedi like Obi-Wan and Yoda). There were obvious Snoke-Palpatine parallels but in TLJ, Palpatine's theme can be heard during Snoke's scenes and Snoke even uses some of Palpatine's dialogue word for word. The opening scene of TROS basically tells us that Palpatine was responsible for Snoke and created him, hence the vats of Snoke clones that exist in Exogol. So Palpatine has been masterminding all of this from the very beginning. Luke also mentions him briefly in TLJ as Darth Sidious.

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As for Rey's heritage, George Lucas's son tweeted way back in 2016 that Rey's story was like Anastasia. When asked for more detail, he explained that she was a lost princess so now people are finding that tweet again and realizing that he must have been referring to Rey as Palpatine's long-lost (grand)daughter. Especially since Anastasia is an imperial princess and the daughter of a Russian tsar, or emperor. In 2013, way before the films were released, he apparently also confirmed that Han Solo would have a son in the films (Kylo). And there are other hints like one of Rey's lightsaber moves from TFA is a lunge which is what Palpatine did in ROTS and a lot of fans noted that back when TFA came out. Also Rey's inclination towards the dark side like how Luke says she turns straight to the dark side when it calls her in TLJ because the cave has the answers she seeks, and in TFA novel, when Rey defeats Kylo, an evil voice is chanting in her head to kill him.

I agree about Rose 100%. It's very clear that JJ had no use for her, so either it was because he didn't care for her as a character (which makes all his praise for Kelly Marie Tran in promotion incredibly tone-deaf) or he caved into the whims of all TLJ haters.

I wouldn't say that the ending with Rey really diverges from anything in TLJ. If anything, it diverges from what JJ himself told us about her in TFA. Another thing that doesn't work for me at all. I honestly think the film would be so much better if Ben had survived because it doesn't make sense for his arc and Rey's as well. It's not the hopeful and optimistic ending that JJ promised.

In the book "Bloodline" which is set a few years before TFA, and chronicles the creation of the Resistance and the First Order from Leia's point of view, we find out that the First Order was also a shadowy organization that represented itself through other names and forces before finally unveiling themselves. Presumably, Palpatine revealed it to gradually re-introduce the Empire in the galaxy and assemble a portion of his forces together while he worked on building the rest of his army so that when the time was right, he could coalesce his forces together into the Final Order. Much like how Palpatine has the Separatists in the Prequel Trilogy but ends up also creating a Clone Army for the Republic and both are instrumental in killing off the Jedi and ending the Republic at the end.

I guess I'll see for myself because I'm gonna watch the film in two more hours.

I just saw the film and I absolutely loved it! I was afraid I wouldn't after all the critics' reviews but it's a really fun movie especially in the first half which has an adventure tone reminiscent of the original Star Wars and Indiana Jones. It does go by pretty fast but I didn't think that was necessarily a bad thing and it didn't bother me in the slightest. The second half focuses more on the Reylo dynamic and Palpatine, which is personally what I was most looking forward too but it's even more enjoyable after being built up from the first half of the film. I think fans of both previous Sequel Trilogy movies can find a lot to love and Original Trilogy fans have an abundance of fan service to cherish here.

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BTW for all those worried about reviews like I was, the Rotten Tomatoes audience score is pretty high at 88%, which is higher than what TFA got. So general audiences are clearly loving the film.

My only gripe is the ending because the character arcs of Rey and Ben would both work so much better if he hadn't died. What's worse is that there isn't even much time dedicated to his death or the impact that has on Rey. We get her initial reaction but no time to mourn with her. I find it ironic that the final scene comes in pairs of twos, with the binary suns, the two buried lightsabers, and force ghosts of Luke and Leia, but Rey stands alone (not including BB-8). Ben needed to be there because the Tatooine setting infinitely makes more sense then and only because the film kept driving in the point that through Ben and Rey's dyad bond as soulmates connected through the Force, two become one. My only hope is that the lack of a force ghost for Ben at the end means that he didn't fully cross over and can be brought back in a future installment but it better be on the big screen and not in a comic, book, or cartoon.

Adam and Daisy gave brilliant performances and were the shining stars (or should I say suns) of this trilogy. Carrie was definitely the heart of this film and I'm so glad they were able to make her final performance work by building the film around her. I loved seeing Anthony Daniels at the forefront and people seemed to think he was a real highlight of the film. It was nice to see the trio together at last and Oscar was so fun as Poe. I've never been a huge Poe fan but this movie won me over to his character. It was a wonder to see Billy Dee again and Joonas as Chewie has so many great moments in this film as well! Ian did an amazing job bringing the Emperor back and I'm glad we can end each trilogy with him as the big bad. Poor Kelly Marie Tran was wasted though and really should have been given more to do.

Newcomers Zorii and Jannah are fun although I found Jannah underused. General Pryde was a great new villain though and was able to prove a formidable bad guy in a way that Hux wouldn't have so I'm glad he was included in this film especially after seeing Richard E. Grant's passion for this film. Not quite sure how I feel about D-O yet as the new droid character.

I'm really glad you liked the film.

The scores in RT are... very similar to most Disney's remakes.

I’m sorry for sounding absolutely pessimistic, but I so badly want this movie to succeed at the box office. However, I’m worried that the movie at this point will have been screwed out of being so no thanks to the backlash against it, along with the leaks being posted long before the movie even came out.

I just really want Disney and Lucasfilm to prove the naysayers wrong! I want that to happen so badly, it’s not even funny!!

farerb wrote:I'm really glad you liked the film.

The scores in RT are... very similar to most Disney's remakes.

I feel bad you didn't. Maybe with a rewatch, you'll end up liking it more. I think I was able to digest most of the film, including some of the clunkier elements, because I had read the leaks months in advance so I knew what to expect. I know you said TLJ is what really brought you into this franchise and while I've been a fan of Star Wars since I first saw Revenge of the Sith, TLJ has been my favorite saga film so far. And much of that was because of the Reylo dynamic which I think is still heavily apparent in this film.

You made an interesting point earlier that in many ways, the ST is like a remake of the original Star Wars trilogy which is par for the course when it comes to Disney now, with them remaking all their classic films. It's funny then how the reviews are panning out the same way like this is another live-action remake.

DisneyJedi wrote:I’m sorry for sounding absolutely pessimistic, but I so badly want this movie to succeed at the box office. However, I’m worried that the movie at this point will have been screwed out of being so no thanks to the backlash against it, along with the leaks being posted long before the movie even came out.

I just really want Disney and Lucasfilm to prove the naysayers wrong! I want that to happen so badly, it’s not even funny!!

Same. I hope it does really well especially because I'm sick of hearing all the racists, sexists, and homophobes trash the ST films for being too progressive with an "SJW agenda" or whatever nonsense they call it. Even with this film, I'm hearing complaints about pushing a gay agenda because of a lesbian kiss between two background characters at the end. Luckily, this film has a better release date compared to TLJ and there's not much competition this time around. Cats looks like an unmitigated disaster and Jumanji: The Next Level hasn't been receiving as favorable reviews as the previous installment.

My theater screen was completely full and it looks like the entire theater was packed with Star Wars fans. They were even selling these $54 R2-D2 drink and popcorn holders, which despite the steep price, I'd say about 3/4 of my theater had one. And I could hear people grumbling about the price (including myself) at the counter but they were still buying them as well as some exclusive tin popcorn baskets for the film. So I hope the hype is definitely there and can be sustained despite the critical reviews. The leaks being posted months in advance (I think just after the D23 teaser came out) is pretty shocking and TFA also leaked because of JJ's company, unlike TLJ which had no leaks until a few days before release. The fact that Burger King in Germany is literally promoting their restaurant with the leaks in advertisements is even more bizarre.

JeanGreyForever wrote:How would you rank the overall nine Skywalker Saga films or the three trilogies?

Here's how I'd rank them:

Trilogies:
1. OT
2. ST
3. PT

Individual films (I also threw the spin-offs in):
1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. Return of the Jedi
3. A New Hope
-- Rogue One
4. The Rise of Skywalker
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. The Force Awakens
7. The Last Jedi
-- Solo
8. The Phantom Menace
9. Attack of the Clones

I'm glad you loved the movie so much, JeanGreyForever!

Thank you, I'm glad I loved it too! I really like your rankings and they seem pretty similar to mine.

The OT and the ST would both be ranked about equally for me above the PT.

For the individual film rankings, I'll put them in tiers with Tier 1 being the films I absolutely love, Tier 2 which I like, and Tier 3 which I'm not really a fan of. TROS is too fresh for me to properly rank right now but I know for sure it would be in Tier 1 somewhere in the top half.

TIER 1
1. The Last Jedi
2. Return of the Jedi
3. A New Hope
4. Rogue One
5. The Force Awakens
6. The Empire Strikes Back

TIER 2
7. Solo
8. Revenge of the Sith

TIER 3
9. The Phantom Menace
10. Attack of the Clones

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I know I shouldn’t be worried, but I am. And this isn’t making me feel any better.

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By the way, the movie was amazing and a perfect way to end the saga.

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I know I shouldn’t be worried, but I am. And this isn’t making me feel any better.

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Ignore literally everything that WeGotThisCovered says. I never even click on that website because it's lucky if even 1/100 articles it posts end up coming true.

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The film had the fifth highest opening previews after Endgame, The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, and Deathly Hallows Part 2 for example. I think the film's opening will be less than TFA and TLJ but it will have stronger legs compared to TLJ.

DisneyJedi wrote:By the way, the movie was amazing and a perfect way to end the saga.

I'm glad you liked the film. What did you think of the ending?

The way it ended? It felt practically perfect in every way.

I saw it with my parents this afternoon, and the three of us loved it! (I was avoiding this thread, but j just read through all of your reviews.)
One thing I missed: BB-8 was on the ship with Finn and Jannah. Those two were rescued, but when was BB-8 rescued? (And hello, Lando + Jannah show coming to Disney+, right?!)

I knew from the leaks I read that we were going to Ach-To + Endor; while I was grateful for the 2-second cameos of the Porgs + Ewoks, I wanted more! My dad leaned over + asked me where Jar Jar is, since we saw so many other characters/creatures, + I <3 Jar Jar.

I am mostly satisfied with Ben...he was evil turned good, but yeah, he killed a lot of people + did bad things... While in-his-memory Han seemingly forgave Ben for killing him, I still have not... I'm glad he and Rey got to have their moment, though. And if he came back in some way, as long as he's on the light side, I guess that's okay.

I'm glad the three of you all loved it!

At one point, the Resistance starts to leave the ship but Finn and Jannah refuse to budge until they've taken the ship down completely. Rose keeps telling Finn to come but he refuses. My assumption was that BB-8 left with Rose, Connix, Beaumont, and the other Resistance heroes rather than stick with Finn and Jannah on their suicide mission.

I thought Porgs would have more of a role since we saw so many living in the Falcon at the end of TLJ and early leaks said we would see these Porgs with the Resistance. Not to mention, the international poster had them as well. I wouldn't be surprised if their scenes were cut last minute like so much else was.

^ That makes perfect sense about BB-8, thank you!

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According to Twitter, children are being traumatized by that ending which doesn't surprise me considering what a fan fav Kylo Ren is. I hope Disney sees the explanation for their loss in profits from this poll because box office wise, the film is trailing projections.
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And here's some more shocking information. According to Twitter, Kylo Ren only has 4 minutes and 12 seconds worth of dialogue in the film and after he is redeemed as Ben Solo, he literally doesn't speak at all. Not a single word uttered unless you count a brief "ow." The ironic thing is that I didn't even notice this because Adam's acting belies the writing which completely neglects him otherwise. Even people who hated Kylo and/or TLJ and didn't think he was a sympathetic character at all are being won over by his performance as Ben Solo because in that last half hour or so, he truly feels like a completely different character and what the real son of Han and Leia would be like. I will never understand what Disney/Lucasfilm thought when they chose to kill him especially when he is their biggest moneymaker from this trilogy. Iger was willing to save one cash cow, Elsa, but let another one die off? I hope he gets all the flack for TROS underperforming.

All I can say is that Cats is being given a second chance of sorts with a new version that will be screened in theaters and Disney/Lucasfilm should strongly consider the same when it comes to TROS. Particularly as an extended edition in theaters to pick up the box office when it seems dried out like they did with Endgame.

farerb wrote:Redemption is about facing all the bad things he's done so killing him right after his turn is a cop out. I saw someone (I don't remember who) who said that redemption should be the start of a story, not the end.
IMO the way they did was too much like Vader. There should have been two options:
1. Kylo Ren can't be redeemed, which is plausible cause both Han and Rey tried to turn him and failed.
2. Kylo Ren is redeemed, but lives in order to actually phase the horrible thinds he has done and start his way for atonement.

Exactly. Killing him off was the easy way out and it prevents any real redemption for Ben with him working together with Rey to restart the Jedi Order and fulfill the legacy of his bloodline. Not to mention, him dying invalidates the sacrifice of his parents. Leia gave her life to redeem him only so that he could die right after?

And as you've pointed out, Ben's death doesn't just hurt Ben. It also negatively impacts Rey because all her life she felt alone and abandoned. Even with the Resistance, she's never quite comfortable and doesn't have anyone who can really understand her save for Leia who passes away too. Ben was the only person she could connect with and then she learns he is her literal soulmate from their Dyad bond, something prophesied but not seen in thousands of years or so. And just when they finally get together, as she says that she was waiting for Ben all this time to take his hand, he keels over and dies. So she's just lost her other half which will be even more excruciating because of their force bond as a result of being a Dyad and she's condemned to spend the rest of her life alone, just like she started out.

There are even hints that she wanted children like when she lovingly watches the children on Pasaana and now she can't even get that although Ben did place his hand on her womb when he was healing her, so who knows if the Force will will a Reylo baby or not. Even if it didn't occur then, they can take inspiration from the movie Ghost.

Would anyone be able to tell me about Leia's role in the film ? How it felt, what she did, impact on the storyline ? I've been bits and bobs, but mainly people have just said her involvement is very emotional, but that's about it really.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.