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It almost seems like almost everyone has forgotten Winnie the Pooh even exists. I was reading another article, which said Disney Animation's last film was Tangled.

Poor Pooh Bear.

Saw it, love the look of it, as expected. I didn't like where the story went though. Or rather, I didn't like how sentient the paper got. It didn't believably blow in the wind and got to the point of making me think to myself "oh come on!". It crossed the line of suspension of disbelief for me. You can get away with crazy stuff in animation and I encourage that as much as possible, but I think it would have been better to not have all the paper planes follow and seemingly surround and attack him for lack of a better term. Wind is supposed to have a spontaneous vibe to it, and here it felt very forced.

But again, visually it was incredible, characters were likable, there was a lot of funny and cute moments. Just wish the story was simplified more toward the end.

It was never supposed to be wind, though... I think it was fairly obviously magic. At least that's the way I see it. I agree that if it was supposed to be simply the wind that whole time, then it's a horribly convenient wind. But... it's magic.

Magic for Disney usually involves the infamous Disney dust though. So I never got that impression. Even if it was, magic felt out of place here without some kind of person to control it.

Hey... Im intrigued about this short, but have no interest in wreck-it-ralph. Does anyone know if I can see the short online?

Kyle wrote:Magic for Disney usually involves the infamous Disney dust though. So I never got that impression. Even if it was, magic felt out of place here without some kind of person to control it.

I don't think there needs to be a person - I think it's being controlled by "fate". John Kahrs talked about inspiration coming from the Sorcerer's Apprentice sequence. I think the fact that the airplanes literally have a mind of their own obviously means some other force is controlling them. You really think they meant for "wind" to be the only force that is literally holding George against his will, even when he's in an enclosed train car? Everything lends itself to there being magic involved... the music queues are different, the planes are bobbing along in time, almost marching when they first come to life...

Am I crazy here? How did other people take it? Magic, or wind?

Fate inst the same as magic to me. In some ways they almost contridict each other at least visually. Fate is a series of happy (or terrible on the flip side) plausible even if highly unlikely coincidences. The first minute or so would qualify as fate. The missing the window several times, then getting in, but landing in the trash, that was great stuff I just wish they had continued that thread until the end. Find some other way to reunite them, another way to get that paper to grab her attention than some outside faceless force causing the planes to dance and move in ways that wind just cant.

I was told it was a simple and effective story, but the introduction of magic if that's what it was kinda breaks that for me.

Kyle wrote:Magic for Disney usually involves the infamous Disney dust though. So I never got that impression. Even if it was, magic felt out of place here without some kind of person to control it.

Anyway, sometimes magic does occur in Disney films without a special effect that is supposed to be the magic. I can't remember specific examples though. Except the Fairy Godmother pulls the wand out of thin air without any Disney dust which realizing it these days bugs me.

Kyle wrote:I was told it was a simple and effective story, but the introduction of magic if thats what it was kinda breaks that for me.

I guess to each their own. For me, it's a nice touching story, and then the introduction of magic kicks it up to the next level. It's no longer a simple little slice of life- it's a piece classic Disney magic. It gives it that "wow" factor for me.

Be careful with spoilers guys

It's available to the public now. I think it's fair game. If you haven't seen it yet, don't read the thread. That's my opinion.

SWillie! wrote:It's available to the public now. I think it's fair game. If you haven't seen it yet, don't read the thread. That's my opinion.

It's not where a lot of us live. Respect that.

And btw the fact that it's available to the public doesn't mean anything. Or have you people seen every movie which is available to the public?

I didn't think about the fact that it isn't out everywhere yet. You got me there.

And no, of course I haven't seen every movie. But I would never in a million years expect everyone on the Internet to cater to the fact that I haven't. I haven't yet seen Flight, which also came out this weekend - and if I cared enough to not be spoiled by it, I think the obvious solution is to not go reading a discussion thread specifically about Flight. I wouldn't go reading about it and then be like "woah! How dare you guys talk about the movie you just saw!"

The whole spoiler thing seems completely backwards to me. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't go looking for it. The entire world shouldn't have to be on their tiptoes because a select few don't want to hear spoilers.

SWillie! wrote:And no, of course I haven't seen every movie. But I would never in a million years expect everyone on the Internet to cater to the fact that I haven't.

That is sad. If everyone did think the next guy the world would be a better place. I try to do so, that's why I never spoil anything to anyone, no matter how old or popular a movie is.

I haven't yet seen Flight, which also came out this weekend - and if I cared enough to not be spoiled by it, I think the obvious solution is to not go reading a discussion thread specifically about Flight. I wouldn't go reading about it and then be like "woah! How dare you guys talk about the movie you just saw!"

The whole spoiler thing seems completely backwards to me. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't go looking for it. The entire world wouldn't have to be on their tiptoes because a select few don't want to hear spoilers.

I come here to learn news about Paperman (read the articles Sotiris posts, waiting for the short to be confirmed as a BD extra or not etc), what people thought about it etc etc, not to learn specific plot parts.

I didn't comment on the fact that you were discussing it. Nor do i read the whole thread searching for spoilers as to tell people off. But sometimes it happens and it is awful! I would be a whole other discussion if there were no means to prevent spoilers but there are.

The whole spoiler thing seems completely backwards to me. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't go looking for it. The entire world wouldn't have to be on their tiptoes because a select few don't want to hear spoilers.

We can argue back and forth about how many or not want to hear spoilers or not. But I believe the prudent think to do is to respect the majority who hasn't seen the film yet and expect to receive the same treatment for another movie in the future.

I just dropped in to ask if it was playing with the 2D showings since that seemed rather up in the air before. Anybody know?

-Skyler

So, over in the Tangled thread, you think that people should hide their text or give warnings when they start talking about Flynn getting stabbed or Rapunzel getting her hair cut? That's just silly.

I mean, I'll lay off it for now I guess. I'm not spoiling things for people on purpose. It's not like I'm the type to go "oh you haven't seen that movie yet? He dies at the end!" That's an asshole move. But io just don't think those of us that went to see it should have to dance around those of you that haven't.

JiminyCrick91 wrote:I just dropped in to ask if it was playing with the 2D showings since that seemed rather up in the air before. Anybody know?

-Skyler

It is definitely playing with the 2d screenings. Me and a couple others confirmed it on the last page.

SWillie! wrote:So, over in the Tangled thread, you think that people should hide their text or give warnings when they start talking about....

I mean, I'll lay off it for now I guess. I'm not spoiling things for people on purpose. It's not like I'm the type to go "oh you haven't seen that movie yet? He dies at the end!" That's an asshole move. But io just don't think those of us that went to see it should have to dance around those of you that haven't.

Of course! Why wouldn't you give a warning? Isn't that an asshole move?

You did it again. And that was not on the Tangled thread. I guess you are just not the person who thinks those kinda of things. You may not do it on purpose but you do it.

Btw, there is a huge difference between "dance around" and "respect" which was all I was asking for.

Lnds500 wrote:Of course! Why wouldn't you give a warning? Isn't that an asshole move?

No it isn't an asshole move. The movie is two years old, and a vast majority of the members of this board have seen it. Again, the same way I would NEVER expect anyone to do the same for a different two year old movie that I haven't seen, especially if I knew I was in the minority in not having seen it.

Lnds500 wrote:You did it again. And that was not on the Tangled thread. I guess you are just not the person who thinks those kinda of things. You may not do it on purpose but you do it.

Btw, there is a huge difference between "dance around" and "respect" which was all I was asking for.

So how far does this "respect" go? Am I supposed to warn when I talk about the Beast transforming? Philip slaying the dragon? Snow White biting the apple? That would obviously be absolutely silly. Where do you draw the line?

SWillie! wrote: Snow White biting the apple?

She does what?!?!?