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DisneyJedi wrote:If I was anywhere near the idiots who screwed with Musker and Clements' project, chances are I'd smack them. Andreas Deja already left, why don't they?

Although I do think Musker & Clements do prefer hand-drawn animation as a medium, they never had a problem with directing a CG film. Back in the day when Fraidy Cat turned into a CG project and the original directors left the film, Musker & Clements took over the directing reigns of the project. (Of course, the film was ultimately canned, but that's another story).

Disney Jedi wrote:He's ruined the company enough already, even worse than Eisner did with his 'Making money > Quality in films' philosophy. Seriously, it's IGER'S fault the company's not doing so great and it's HIS fault that Tangled did better because it was CG!

Are you serious? If you actually think the company's in a worse state now than how Eisner left it, you really do need a reality check. Things aren't perfect at Disney but they're a lot better than they were; did you really want to see Chicken Little 2 and films like that? And how in the world is it "Iger's fault" that Tangled did well? That makes no sense, how can an individual be at fault for a film succeeding? If anyone should get the "blame" shouldn't it be John Lasseter or Nathan Greno and Byron Howard?

Sotiris wrote:Back in the day when Fraidy Cat turned into a CG project and the original directors left the film, Musker & Clements took over the directing reigns of the project.

That's one film I personally would have really loved to see. The idea of a Hitchcock-style mystery in an animated Disney film is a very interesting one and I'd love to see Clements and Musker get another crack at making it work in the future.

DisneyJedi wrote:

qindarka wrote:Sadly, for all that we talk of the medium not mattering but that a good story will attract audiences, I don't think that's quite true. Audiences don't know the plot of the stories before they watch it and I do think that CG films are inherently more appealing to many and may seem more entertaining at first glance

What, you're saying that CG films only do better because they're CG and everyone HATES 2D?! This is completely unfair and totally biased!!

I think it's more that many have different expectations of each media, not necessarily that everyone "hates" hand-drawn.

I'm admittedly disappointed that all signs point to this one being CG; although I love both hand-drawn and CG I'd still like to see both getting produced at Disney.

Maybe this is the wrong thread but what about the supposed Mickey Mouse feature in development. Surely that one at least would have to be 2D.

qindarka wrote:Maybe this is the wrong thread but what about the supposed Mickey Mouse feature in development. Surely that one at least would have to be 2D.

Not necessarily.

enigmawing wrote:I'm admittedly disappointed that all signs point to this one being CG; although I love both hand-drawn and CG I'd still like to see both getting produced at Disney.

qindarka wrote:Maybe this is the wrong thread but what about the supposed Mickey Mouse feature in development. Surely that one at least would have to be 2D.

It is highly doubtful that the other hand-drawn project that supposedly was in development, the 'Mickey Mouse' feature, will happen either. Steve Hulett, while he has seen artwork and people working on Ron & John's film, he hadn't seen anyone working on the 'Mickey Mouse' feature and hadn't heard of it being developed. It's probably not in active development and my guess is that it never passed the pitching stages. I've read that executives feel that a 'Mickey Mouse' feature would be very risky for the company because if it underperformed it would be detrimental for Disney's image (since Mickey is the icon of the company and of its sub-divisions) and it would negatively impact the Mickey Mouse franchise (which is Disney's #1 franchise in sales).

DisneyAnimation88 wrote:

Disney Jedi wrote:He's ruined the company enough already, even worse than Eisner did with his 'Making money > Quality in films' philosophy. Seriously, it's IGER'S fault the company's not doing so great and it's HIS fault that Tangled did better because it was CG!

Are you serious? If you actually think the company's in a worse state now than how Eisner left it, you really do need a reality check. Things aren't perfect at Disney but they're a lot better than they were; did you really want to see Chicken Little 2 and films like that? And how in the world is it "Iger's fault" that Tangled did well? That makes no sense, how can an individual be at fault for a film succeeding? If anyone should get the "blame" shouldn't it be John Lasseter or Nathan Greno and Byron Howard?

At least Eisner probably wouldn't have had The Princess and the Frog released a week before Avatar on purpose, just to "prove" that the former couldn't make money! Plus, at least Eisner would have had the movie released nationwide over Thanksgiving break, when it SHOULD have been released!

And by the way, I'm blaming Iger for the fact that no one wants their animated movies hand-drawn anymore! AND for all the s**** on Disney Channel now, causing others to be disgusted with Disney!!! And I don't want Ron and John's next movie to be CG!! I WANT IT TO BE HAND-DRAWN, THE WAY THEY PLANNED ON DOING IT!!!!!

I apologize for the way I'm acting. It's just the fact that every day, things keep going from good to bad to worse to the WORST news heard all day. I was already dreading enough how I'd do on my last final for today. And if that wasn't bad enough, someone has to drop an even bigger anvil on things!

DisneyJedi wrote:

DisneyAnimation88 wrote: Are you serious? If you actually think the company's in a worse state now than how Eisner left it, you really do need a reality check. Things aren't perfect at Disney but they're a lot better than they were; did you really want to see Chicken Little 2 and films like that? And how in the world is it "Iger's fault" that Tangled did well? That makes no sense, how can an individual be at fault for a film succeeding? If anyone should get the "blame" shouldn't it be John Lasseter or Nathan Greno and Byron Howard?

At least Eisner probably wouldn't have had The Princess and the Frog released a week before Avatar on purpose, just to "prove" that the former couldn't make money!

And by the way, I'm blaming Iger for the fact that no one wants their animated movies hand-drawn anymore!! And I don't want Ron and John's next movie to be CG!! I WANT IT TO BE HAND-DRAWN, THE WAY THEY PLANNED ON DOING IT!!!!!

I apologize for the way I'm acting. It's just the fact that every day, things keep going from good to bad to worse to the WORST news heard all day. I was already dreading enough how I'd do on my last final for today. And if that wasn't bad enough, someone has to drop an even bigger anvil on things!

You do seem to make Iger out as a dictator who is single handedly responsible for all of Disney's decisions. I really do not think that he set TPATF out to fail, why would they possibly want to lose profits just to make a point.

Also, I do think TPATF got what it deserved (reasonable profits), by virtue of it being a film that was pretty good but certainly not great.

DisneyJedi wrote:At least Eisner probably wouldn't have had The Princess and the Frog released a week before Avatar on purpose, just to "prove" that the former couldn't make money!

No Eisner would never have done anything like that; it was more his style to close entire animation studios and put animators out of work when they sided with his opponents, like what happened to the animation studio in Orlando when the Disney animators pledged their support to Roy E. Disney.

DisneyJedi wrote:And by the way, I'm blaming Iger for the fact that no one wants their animated movies hand-drawn anymore!

Again, I don't understand how on earth you can come to the conclusion that Iger's responsible for that. Surely Pixar and DreamWork's success with CG films has played a part, never mind the fact that Disney had already made it clear that they saw CG as the future of animation before Eisner left the company, hence them ending all hand-drawn animation at the company. Iger's a businessman, his job is to ensure that Disney is making as much money as they possibly can and if the box office numbers are telling him and the Disney board that the way to do that is through CG, they're going to go down that route, like it or not.

DisneyJedi wrote: And by the way, this is why I hate America!

Then GTFO of this country and move.

^But it's not fair! To ANYONE!! Be they fans or animators!!

Super Aurora wrote:

DisneyJedi wrote: And by the way, this is why I hate America!

Then GTFO of this country and move.

I might, because American moviegoers are idiots! By the way, at least SOME countries CAN still do hand-drawn animation...

DisneyJedi wrote:

Super Aurora wrote: Then GTFO of this country and move.

I might, because American moviegoers are idiots!

This is hardly exclusive to America.

Also, its not that the moviegoers have bad taste but most of the general public don't really hunt out or care that much about reviews. They might care about good plots but it is difficult to tell whether a movie will have a good plot before they watch it. So understandably, they go for the movie that looks more appealing, more entertaining and has been hyped and advertised more effectively. As it happens, CG films may seem more appealing than 2D at the moment.

Ranting and ravings aside, why is it lately that every time that I leave this site, I come back, only to find more bad news?!

To put it my sentiments as best as I can without exploding again, I honestly hope that Disney hasn't called it quits on hand-drawn animation. I mean, think about it. Did they call it quits after Walt died, when they were still working on The Jungle Book, or after The Black Cauldron bombed big time OR after Treasure Planet and Home on the Range underperformed?

Of course not! Okay, maybe hand-drawn animation at Disney did undergo a long hiatus after Home on the Range. But still!

If anything, they never truly called it quits on hand-drawn animation before and they shouldn't even now, even if Tangled performed better than The Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh wasn't that big of a moneymaker (even though that didn't really cost TOO MUCH).

And besides, if they can release their recent CG films in 3D, why don't they do the same for their newer theatrical hand-drawn films? I mean, it worked for the 3D re-release of Lion King, didn't it? And I could be wrong, but wouldn't 3D help or deter ticket sales?

DisneyJedi wrote:Ranting and ravings aside, why is it lately that every time that I leave this site, I come back, only to find more bad news?!

To put it my sentiments as best as I can without exploding again, I honestly hope that Disney hasn't called it quits on hand-drawn animation. I mean, think about it. Did they call it quits after Walt died, when they were still working on The Jungle Book, or after The Black Cauldron bombed big time OR after Treasure Planet and Home on the Range underperformed?

Of course not! Okay, maybe hand-drawn animation at Disney did undergo a long hiatus after Home on the Range. But still!

If anything, they never truly called it quits on hand-drawn animation before and they shouldn't even now, even if Tangled performed better than The Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh wasn't that big of a moneymaker (even though that didn't really cost TOO MUCH).

And besides, if they can release their recent CG films in 3D, why don't they do the same for their newer theatrical hand-drawn films? I mean, it worked for the 3D re-release of Lion King, didn't it? And I could be wrong, but wouldn't 3D help or deter ticket sales?

Want my advice? Make a campaign to end this nightmare.

TsWade2 wrote:Want my advice? Make a campaign to end this nightmare.

What, like a protest or something? If you mean like a petition, I don't know if it'll do much good. All I know is that I'm working on a screenplay (even going to great lengths to find someone to collaborate with me on it) of a Disney adventure trilogy and it's gonna be live-action/animated. And by animated, I mean HAND-DRAWN, and I'm gonna see to it that they stick with that, no matter what they have to say.

DisneyJedi wrote:

TsWade2 wrote:Want my advice? Make a campaign to end this nightmare.

What, like a protest or something? If you mean like a petition, I don't know if it'll do much good. All I know is that I'm working on a screenplay (even going to great lengths to find someone to collaborate with me on it) of a Disney adventure trilogy and it's gonna be live-action/animated. And by animated, I mean HAND-DRAWN, and I'm gonna see to it that they stick with that, no matter what they have to say.

Well, not excatly a petition. Protest? Most likely. I say make a campaign on facebook, if you have an account for it. That maybe better than a petition. Just a thought. But that's sounds interesting you're making an screenplay. What's about?

TsWade2 wrote:That's sounds interesting you're making an screenplay. What's about?

Well, it's obviously a Disney trilogy adventure. I haven't gotten too far with it, but I'll try explaining the three movies in a few short words in terms of plot.

Movie 1: Three friends wish that they could go on a big adventure. One night, they're whisked away to an animated world, where everything looks like a hand-drawn Disney movie. Upon first arrival, the residents throw a celebration in honor of their arrival. Unfortunately, Maleficent cuts the celebration short and one of the kids draws a sword from a stone in the central hub. Eventually, the three friends venture all over Disneyana to find the seven crowns of the kingdom to find the Black Cauldron, something Maleficent and her cohorts plan to use to revive their fallen leader, Chernabog.

Movie 2: After destroying the Black Cauldron, the three friends are off at college. While there, however, they get word that Mickey, the king of the land, had been captured. They go back to the land to find him, only for Maleficent and the others to succeed in reviving Chernabog.

Movie 3: The friends have to round up all the allies they can for a final battle against Chernabog.

Really, it's not the best ideas, but at least I'm doing what I can for planning.

Hey, anybody else care for some popcorn?



DisneyJedi's silly meltdown and typing without even thinking is more entertaining and funny than anything else I've seen on a screen all year.

estefan wrote: DisneyJedi's silly meltdown and typing without even thinking is more entertaining and funny than anything else I've seen on a screen all year.

The guys at Disney are the ones angering others. And please, stop looking at my meltdowns as humorous.