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Well, unless I'm wrong, and I could be wrong, but your best bet at seeing the HD-fied version of the original trilogy is probably YouTube.

And the only difference between the Blu-ray and the HD broadcast? Possibly the aspect ratio. 2.35:1 on the Blu-ray, and 1.78:1 on the HD broadcast. To be honest, I'd rather get the full picture.

SpringHeelJack wrote:

ajmrowland wrote:yeah, but they're also mere experimentation.

anyway the nonstop bitching. if they arent going to complain to his face, they have no right to complain at all.

It's not really "experimentation" if it's the only available way of viewing it in hi-def. Had George Lucas included a non-"NOOOOOOOOOOO" scene in ROTJ there really wouldn't be a debate.

Anyhow, I'm sure many of the people WOULD complain to Lucas' face, but it's not terribly likely that I'm going to see him at the Stop 'n Shop this weekend and be able to have a tête-à-tête in the produce section. By that logic, we shouldn't be able to complain about anything if we're not going to be able to deliver said arguments to the person they should be directed to. For example, Dusty would never be able to make Disney Essence complaints because he's not likely to have an audience with John Lasseter to address them directly.

my ipoint exactly. they act like it's the most important thing in the world, yet they wont take a flight to his doorstep. they have no right to complain

ajmrowland wrote:my ipoint exactly. they act like it's the most important thing in the world, yet they wont take a flight to his doorstep. they have no right to complain

You're right! I'll just hop on my private jet, fly to California, walk up to Skywalker Ranch, dodge security and tell Lucas off right there. It's soo simple, I don't know why I didn't think of it before. Brilliant!

Sarcasm aside, I kind of already addressed this in my last post when I said: "Since we live in a free market society, letters/protest videos/petitions are all pointless and boycotting is literally the only way you'd ever get his attention."

Oh yeah, we still have the right to complain, free speech and all (constitution didn't go anywhere since my last post).

DisneyJedi wrote:Well, unless I'm wrong, and I could be wrong, but your best bet at seeing the HD-fied version of the original trilogy is probably YouTube.

Who are you talking to?

If it's me, I already own the VHS tapes, DVDs and have the HD broadcasts stored on my DVR, so I'm not interested in YouTube.

DisneyJedi wrote:And the only difference between the Blu-ray and the HD broadcast? Possibly the aspect ratio. 2.35:1 on the Blu-ray, and 1.78:1 on the HD broadcast. To be honest, I'd rather get the full picture.

Yeah, if you record it off network television stations (e.g. TNT, Spike TV, etc.). I got it off one of the premium channels back when I still had it and it wasn't the HBO/Cinemax crop. Proper aspect-ratio, uncut, and commercial free.

jpanimation wrote:

ajmrowland wrote:
Sarcasm aside, I kind of already addressed this in my last post when I said: "Since we live in a free market society, letters/protest videos/petitions are all pointless and boycotting is literally the only way you'd ever get his attention."

Oh yeah, we still have the right to complain, free speech and all (constitution didn't go anywhere since my last post).

Don't be so sure. The police like to push protesters and trick them so they can arrest them. Sometimes they just arrest them, hit them with their clubs or taze them for no reason. But that's for another thread.
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I watched the delete scenes yesterday, pretty cool stuff! They didn't have the original Jabba/Han scene, the Luke with the Bacta mask and I think there was another that they didn't have. Still, its more deleted stuff than we ever got before.

The only movie I watched so far was the original. Looked and sounded great! I noticed a lot more detail in the backgrounds of Tatooine than I ever did before. It looks like there wasw a bit more greenery in the landscape than I thought.

Luke's lightsaber was switched back to the way it originally was in the Millenium Falcon training scene. I wonder why that didn't get fixed? It looks better than the DVD but it is still the spinning blade with flashing light version, if you know what I mean. It still even has the jump cut when he ignites it. Purists will be happy there, tho, I suppose.


In the escape from the Death Star scene there is still matte lines around the TIE Fighters in some shots. Why not fix those?

The new Obi Wan Kryat Dragon call is a bit jarring. I didn't have the surround going maybe it wound sound better like that?

The rocks hiding R2 are okay. Not needed but it was okay.

The Han/Greedo shootout goes by a lot faster now and works better than previous versions. The original would still be best but this is the next best thing.

Otherwise, its pretty much the same movie and this seems to be the best presentation of it on home video I have ever seen.

ajmrowland wrote:

SpringHeelJack wrote: It's not really "experimentation" if it's the only available way of viewing it in hi-def. Had George Lucas included a non-"NOOOOOOOOOOO" scene in ROTJ there really wouldn't be a debate.

Anyhow, I'm sure many of the people WOULD complain to Lucas' face, but it's not terribly likely that I'm going to see him at the Stop 'n Shop this weekend and be able to have a tête-à-tête in the produce section. By that logic, we shouldn't be able to complain about anything if we're not going to be able to deliver said arguments to the person they should be directed to. For example, Dusty would never be able to make Disney Essence complaints because he's not likely to have an audience with John Lasseter to address them directly.

my ipoint exactly. they act like it's the most important thing in the world, yet they wont take a flight to his doorstep. they have no right to complain

Uh, I'm not sure you correctly read what I wrote.

Just finished watching Episode IV A New Hope. 1 disc down, 8 to go & if they are all as jaw droppingly beautiful as this it is the best money I've ever spent.

I agree whole-heartedly. I watched the first six discs plus the bloopers on the third bonus disc before I gave up and got away from the television. Today I started on Bonus Disc 1 and so far, it is mind boggling.

I agree with you that all the Blu-ray technology has made these films look absolutely amazing. And the sound, it is incredible and most noticeable on "Revenge of the Sith" and ""The Empire Strikes Back".

Watched V before supper & VI after. Just as stunning as IV. Taking a little time off tomorrow to work at the church pancake breakfast, then go to mass & sports bar to watch my Buffalo Bills beat the Raiders (I hope). Then hope to watch some of the prequel trilogy Sunday night & Monday & use the rest of the week to watch the (as one reviewer called them) lifetime supply of bonus features. Loving every minute of this purchase.

Just finished Disc 1: Phantom Menace - Looks great, despite the weak script and weak direction. CGI Yoda looked great. Were there any other changes besides Yoda? I didn't notice anything.

The only true alteration I recall that's on the Blu-ray of The Empire Strikes Back is how they replaced Clive Revill as Palpatine with Ian McDiarmid, and that was actually from the 2004 DVD re-release.

Though this change makes sense, along with the dialogue change, because remember how at the end of Revenge of the Sith that Darth Vader was led to believe that he "killed" Padme, along with his unborn child(ren)?

Speaking of The Empire Strikes Back, I remember watching the DVD a thousand times, and I have to ask about something towards the end. That scene where Darth Vader's shuttle takes him to the Super Star Destroyer, etc. Was that made for the 1997 Special Edition, or the 2004 DVD release?

DisneyJedi wrote:The only true alteration I recall that's on the Blu-ray of The Empire Strikes Back is how they replaced Clive Revill as Palpatine with Ian McDiarmid, and that was actually from the 2004 DVD re-release.

Though this change makes sense, along with the dialogue change, because remember how at the end of Revenge of the Sith that Darth Vader was led to believe that he "killed" Padme, along with his unborn child(ren)?

Speaking of The Empire Strikes Back, I remember watching the DVD a thousand times, and I have to ask about something towards the end. That scene where Darth Vader's shuttle takes him to the Super Star Destroyer, etc. Was that made for the 1997 Special Edition, or the 2004 DVD release?

The shuttle scene was added in 1997. Its actually an outtake from Return of the Jedi. The dialog was also changed in 1997 right before this scene. Empire is the least edited of the Original Trilogy. Other than those two scenes the only other major additions are the Wampa scene, and the entrance to Cloud City/Updates to Cloud City. All of these were done for the 1997 edition.

Anyway Its nice that Ian is the Emperor in Empire now, but its still an odd scene. He looks like the Prequel Emperor, not the one we see in Jedi. Although Ian is a lot older now, etc... Still its a good addition.

The added dialog adds some stuff to the scene because Vader does know about Luke being his son before this scene. As he tells Luke at the end of Empire they can rule together, so he obviously wants to overthrow the Emperor and rule himself.

Watching Bonus Disc 3 today and I am really glad that we have the original CBS broadcast versions of "The Making of Star Wars" hosted by C3PO and R2D2, along with "SPFX The Empire Strikes Back" hosted by Mark Hamill, and "Classic Creatures Return of the Jedi" hosted by Carried Fisher and Billy Dee Williams. All are standard definition but really look great upconverted. And if you want to remember some of your favorite scenes before all the changes, these three specials will bring back those memories quickly.

Also on the disc is "Anatomy of a Dewback", the story of how they animated the Dewbacks in "Star Wars A New Hope". Very interesting about how they have stored the original film elements, and how they ended up having to reshoot that particular scene for the 1997 Special Edition Release.

Next on the disc is "Star Warriors", the behind the story about the 501st Legion, a global organization of Star Wars fanatics. George Lucas was invited to be the Grand Marshall of the 2007 Rose Parade and this 85-minute featue is all about how they chose the 200 storm troopers to march in the parade on New Year's Day. Quite a remarkable feat to say the least. Very interesting in its content and presentation.

Next on the Bonus Disc 3 is the History Channel Special called "Star Wars Tech". This special compares the science fiction with science fact of Star Wars. Can a laser be used in a light saber, and could there actually be a Darth Vader. Also related subjects include the fact that in space there is no sound, and how the movie makers explain that. Great 45 minutes of fun.

Next to last on this disc is the 2010 Television Special "A Conversation With The Masters - The Empire Strikes Back 30 Years Later" that features conversations with Irvin Kirschner, George Lucas, John Williams and various other artists who help bring the second chapter in the original trilogy to the screen.

Last on the disc is "Star Wars Spoofs", over 90 minutes of spoofs from such television shows as "Family Guy", "Robot Chicken", "The Simpsons", "Futurama", "That 70's Show", "Saturday Night Live" and many, many more. What is missing is the best Star Wars Spoof of them all - "Hardware Wars", but I am not disappointed to the point that I think this section is a failure. The whole Spoof segment opens with Weird Al Yankovic's "The Saga Begins" music video, unedited.

That's over 7 hours of entertainment just on Disc Three. There are two more discs which I will start watching tomorrow that have over 35 hours of behind the scenes on each of the six features, including over 50 deleted scenes.

DarthPrime wrote:Anyway Its nice that Ian is the Emperor in Empire now, but its still an odd scene. He looks like the Prequel Emperor, not the one we see in Jedi. Although Ian is a lot older now, etc... Still its a good addition.

I'm telling you man, Star Wars Revisited is the only way to go:

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I know I've been promoting this but if anyone wants to discuss it further, please do it via PM, as I'm sure Ady doesn't want to make too much noise that it's to the point where Lucas feels it's affecting sales.

Hey, um... are the shots on the bottom the scenes from Ady's edit of the movie? Because that seems like a true special edition (whatnot with the background/shot changes) like A New Hope.

DarthPrime wrote: The added dialog adds some stuff to the scene because Vader does know about Luke being his son before this scene.

Really? Don't you recall how near the end of Episode III that Palpatine told Darth Vader that he supposedly killed his own wife, Padme, in anger? Thus, he was probably led to believe that he "killed" his "unborn" child along with her.

But Vader said "And I'm sure Skywalker is there with him." in TESB. Though what I think, Vader believed new-born Luke survived and he didn't realised Leia was Luke's sister nor did he knew he had one (in other words, he thought Luke was his only child). And in ROTJ Obi-Wan said "The Emperor knew as I did that if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be threat to him." So Vader probably lied to the Emperor about not knowing Luke was his son to protect him. Thats' just my theory.

Yeah, the implication I always got is that Vader is playing dumb with Palpatine in ESB. Vader clearly has his own intentions for Luke, as does the Emperor, both of whom basically want him to replace the other person.

I agree Vader knows about Luke at the beginning of Empire. The opening crawl even says that Vader is obsessed with finding Skywalker. Anyway Vader wants Luke so they can overthrow the Emperor, and the Emperor wants Luke to replace Vader.

Also Ady's work looks amazing! I would love to see the Original Trilogy completely redone like that. I have no ideal how to even view these, but I would like to see them.

But... wouldn't Vader have believed that it was a coincidence that Luke was "not related" to him and just seemed to have the same last name?

I say that because plenty of people in real life have the same last name, and yet they're not related. Like Burt Reynolds and Ryan Reynolds, for example; they have the same last name, and yet they're not related.

Yeah, but we have no reason to believe that "Skywalker" is a terribly common name in the galaxy.

Additionally, let's assume that I, SpringHeelJack, after having lost my pregnant wife, was trying to blow up a starfighter attacking my big battle station. I already observed that the guy who did it is strong with the Force, then at a later date I learn that he is named LukeHeelJack. While it COULD be an incredible coincidence that there some kid roughly the age mine would have been with the same last name who like myself is strong in the force, I would probably start to do some investigation of my own.

By the time ESB begins, Vader knows that "Skywalker" is the name of the Force-sensitive pilot who blew up the Death Star and is also the age that a hypothetical child born by his wife would be. We can also assume that because he knows the pilot's name is Skywalker that he gleamed some other information about him too.

Maerj wrote:

I watched the delete scenes yesterday.....

How did you watch the deleted scenes when they are incorporated into the Bonus Discs 1 and 2? Did you watch all 10 hours of extras along with the deleted scenes? Or did you get something different than the Blu-ray edition.

So far I have finished the first bonus disc, and the deleted and extended scenes are truly amazing. There is a lot of unfinished stuff also. I am in the middle of watching the Second Bonus Disc and am in the middle of "Empire Strikes Back" and so far the deleted scenes have been very good, and I can see why they didn't use them in the original films. I also like George Lucas' reasoning for making the changes in Chapter IV and V, so far. I am hoping he has some sort of explanation for the "NO, noooooooooooooooo" scene in "Return of the Jedi".

Maybe you can enlighten me as to how you watched just the deleted scenes without all of the interesting background material, that also tells the story behind the story.