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It's not only about the marriage itself; how sad is it that gay couples are often denied the same legal rights that married couples are entitled to simply because they're not allowed to marry?

I never understood the need to dictate who should and shouldn't be allowed to marry or why. Sexual orientation shouldn't deny one's rights any more than their race, gender, or religion.

enigmawing wrote:It's not only about the marriage itself; how sad is it that gay couples are often denied the same legal rights that married couples are entitled to simply because they're not allowed to marry?

I never understood the need to dictate who should and shouldn't be allowed to marry or why. Sexual orientation shouldn't deny one's rights any more than their race, gender, or religion.

Excellent point, E-Wing.

I guess I'm the only Sikh here, lol.

Is anyone here familar with Sikhism?

Ala ad-Din wrote:I guess I'm the only Sikh here, lol.

Is anyone here familar with Sikhism?

No, please share.

xxhplinkxx wrote:

yukitora wrote:and many homosexuals out there are against such a religion, so why do they want this? Just get a civil union or a celebration but don't attack christian societies just because you want something of theirs.

The only reason homosexuals are against it, is because the religion is against them. It's like trying to get into a night club you really wanna go to, yet the bouncer says you can't go in night after night after night. After a while, you're gonna get annoyed with that club and stop going, right?

And as to your comment of wanting something of "theirs"... you forget that gays are normal people and grow up in the church just like you; it should be just as much ours as it is yours. It's only when we get ostracized for being gay that we stop going to church, if we weren't, there would still be plenty of gay people who would still love to go to church. Can you blame us for wanting something that's been presented to us all our lives? If the entire world ran on civil unions, then fine, but it doesn't. And that's not fair. Why should we be treated like second class citizens? We're normal people who deserve to be married just like you do..

Oh I just remembered I forgot to comment on this. I REALLY feel you on this and I wanted to respond. I agree with you on this. There are church congergations out there though that have no problem with gay members and there are even some gay christians who have started their own non denominational churches. I think this is great and I know someone who goes to one of these.

I know that the way some churches act towards something many are unable to change about themselves would make anyone bitter....but its important to remember not to put God in a box, He is bigger then any religion and if you are living the way you feel he has created you to live, and seeking his will in your life then you are being the creation you were meant to be. In the end he is the only one you have to answer to. So in a nutshell.... nobody has to throw God out of their life just because they can not allign themselves with a certain religious group.

There is a reason why a lot of Wiccans and Pagans are gay....because the religions do NOT judge them or make them feel unwelcome, wrong, unnatural, sinful, disgusting, etc,

I do know many gays who declare themselves Christian and yet, don't go to church because they aren't welcome. No one will shake their hands as the enter God's house, God forbid we all know gay is contagious

There certainly are churches who do not judge gays and welcome them with open arms. But they aren't as popular, though they are slowly rising in popularity.

Give it time. Frankly...its mostly the older generations who are so uptight with it. I do not see it so much with the younger generations. We'd never have a mixed race president in the 40s for instance, we do now...why? Because the older generations have dwindled, the younger generation who doesn't have their head so far up their arse sees no problem with a non-Caucasian in office.

Eventually it will be the same with gays. Gays will be more accepted, allowed to marry, even have a gay president one day. Once the old ways are left in the past, people will judge a person for who they are, not what they are.

Siren wrote:Once the old ways are left in the past, people will judge a person for who they are, not what they are.

We can only hope.

xxhplinkxx wrote:

Siren wrote:Once the old ways are left in the past, people will judge a person for who they are, not what they are.

We can only hope.

There is hope
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_gays

Sorry for bumping this thread, but I want to share something with you guys.

As I have previously mentioned, I believe in prayer, and pray a lot for the well being of my loved ones and myself. But lately, I've been doubting the power of prayer. Not because its not grating me what I want, I understand that you have to work hard for it, but because I feel that if I pray for something it becomes EXTREMELY hard to achieve, almost to the point where I don't pray for months.

In the past, I've prayed for a great day in school. The minute I do its the WORST day ever. But I stop praying, everything is fine... Its like I pray for something and the complete opposite happens. This makes me lose a lot of faith because I feel as if I can't have my prayers answered, or that its punishment for not fully committing to my faith.

What do you guys think? Am I being crazy, selfish, or stupid, or do I have a solid concern?

yukitora wrote: (i'm laughing at your comment, not your religion btw)

Thanks for the humor appreciation, but that was an old reply. I said here that I've since become agnostic.

I find this image hilarious.

Believable. I'm uninterested in either.

That's believable.

With all of the conflicting ideas and morals of religion, science, and common sense, it turns out I really don't know what to think in terms of believing in a higher power (I'm not sure why...). All I can really do is just believe in my own values.

pap64 wrote:Sorry for bumping this thread, but I want to share something with you guys. [...]

What do you guys think? Am I being crazy, selfish, or stupid, or do I have a solid concern?

What is prayer, other than a person talking to someone/something who/which isn't there, or, at least, never answers? If you say you pray to God, whom nobody has ever seen or proven to exist, you are being taken seriously. But if you would say you talked to ghosts, or to your imaginary friend (for instance), you would be mocked. And why? The concept is the same. You just give it a different name. It makes no sense.

Say you pray for something and you get what you want, how do you know it was the prayer that made it work? Maybe it was just a coincidence? Or is there no coincidence, and does God decide everything anyway? If that's true (if God decides everything anyway), why bother praying anway? He has already made up his mind. Couldn't you just skip the prayer and go right to his will? That would make a lot more sense to me. And what is prayer, other than superstition? Isn't it the same as believing in a rabbit's foot or a lucky charm?

Goliath, whether its coincidence or not....why do you care so much? I don't care you don't believe. I don't care someone else believes something else. I'm not out to disprove them all the time. If someone wants to pray to God, Goddess, Allah, the giant spaghetti monster and happens to get what they prayed for, who cares, other than that person alone? Why is it your mission to prove everyone wrong? To think, you could be putting all that determination in something far more important, rather than being so anal retentive when someone says God.

Dragonlion wrote:With all of the conflicting ideas and morals of religion, science, and common sense, it turns out I really don't know what to think in terms of believing in a higher power (I'm not sure why...). All I can really do is just believe in my own values.

Well, when you now have the Pope saying evolution is plausible and okay for Catholics to believe, that can cause some confusion for some.

Frankly, I do believe both in a spiritual realm as well as evolution. I see everything in this world as bits of clay that a greater power is constantly molding and remolding. Its really a belief that has dated back for centuries, far before Darwinisim. When gods would form new creatures and beasts and people from clay.

Siren wrote:Goliath, whether its coincidence or not....why do you care so much? I don't care you don't believe. I don't care someone else believes something else. I'm not out to disprove them all the time. If someone wants to pray to God, Goddess, Allah, the giant spaghetti monster and happens to get what they prayed for, who cares, other than that person alone? Why is it your mission to prove everyone wrong? To think, you could be putting all that determination in something far more important, rather than being so anal retentive when someone says God.

Where did I state it's my mission to prove every religious person wrong? Where did I even say I cared whether or not people pray?

I don't care. If it makes them feel good: more power to them! pap asked a question, and since nobody had answered it, I thought it would be nice to throw in my two cents. You know, since we are on a forum, I thought that that's appropriate.

I find it interesting that just posting questions is being taken as disturbing, or rude. These questions I pose, I really don't know an answer to. There are so many illogical and self-contradictory elements about religion, that I can't wrap my head around it. And I would like to know what religious people think of it. In fact, I'm more curious to know whether they have asked themselves those questions *at all*.

If you get upset by people posing questions about your religion (I'm talking about 'you' in a broad sense), that means you might have less faith than you thought.

I voted for 'being an atheist'.

I never got the feeling there was something like a God, even though I went to a Christian school. Yes, there were things read from the Bible a lot, but I considered them to be stories with a moral brought into them. That's not to say they're that in the first place, but I didn't think they ever happened. I think there are still too many people who treat it as history, but should treat it differently. I don't like the negative connotation it has, but if they would treat it a bit more like a book of fairy tales (tales which are quite entertaining in their own right, and teach you valuable things as well) it would be a big improvement over the people who want to follow it word by word. I'm not saying there's anyone around like that on this forum, but they are there. But there are nuts at every side, and most of the times they are the most vocal.

But I don't really have the desire to debate this quite touchy subject. Everyone wants to defend their stand, because everyone thinks theirs is the only right one. That's also where the problem lies, because if you're absolutely certain your choice is the right one, there's no need to debate.
I can really admire anyone who can find strength in praying. Getting that when times are bad is a logical choice, but it's unfortunately something I have never been able to do. It just never felt right to me. Perhaps now I would call it hypocritical, but that's not something you would think when you're little.

In the end I just found out I was an atheist. I played around with being agnostic for a while too, because atheist (believing that there is no god whatsoever) is perhaps too decisive, or definitive. But like 'intelligent design' it can also be inconclusive, so I finally decided for atheism.

Originally, I posted here a rant about a Christian movie I saw. I was upset after watching it, but my mother seemed very happy that I at least considered it, so now I feel bad for bashing the movie. So I deleted this... Sorry