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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:45 am
by TM2-Megatron
Having them on YouTube or Yahoo! Video really isn't the same... and it's hardly satisfactory. Not only is the quality awful on those sites, many people prefer having content on self-contained media. That's the same reason I hate the idea of downloading/streaming movies to your TV as a replacement for optical media.

BDF, what is it with your pessimism? Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do something fun or exciting, you make it... not... that way. I hate... so much... about the things that you choose to be. j/k... we should all watch 'The Office'

Personally, I'd almost be satisfied if they released the rest of it in the Legacy line... heck, those titles already use half the regular Treasure tins. For the Donald Legacy sets, Disney just needs to replace the plastic cover with an appropriate metal cover and put an alpha case inside instead of the felt and fake film can.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:46 am
by Escapay
Big Disney Fan wrote:Anywho, based on the list above, here's the list of Donald cartoons not available on DVD AT ALL (I may not have the whole list, so if anyone notices any I missed, let me know, okay?):
I posted that list a couple pages ago here. Unfortunately, I forgot to delete "Daddy Duck" and "Canvas Back Duck" from the list.

And not on DL-Craze's list, but it's mentioned in the Filmographies thread (which needs to be updated for additions after November 6, 2005) is Grand Canyonscope which was on the 20K Leagues DVD
goofystitch wrote:Big Disney Fan, what do you honestly care? I am really sick of having to skip your negative posts. Everybody gets it. You don't think it's any use sending letters, e-mails, or creating petitions. Thank you for the advice, but we all care about this to much to just stop now. Enough with your negative posts to every single post on here. And when there's been a five minute span where you weren't online, you make up for it by posting 3 consecutive posts to bash what you missed? Enough with it already. Please. I think I speak for everybody when I say there is absolutely no reason to fight on here, especially about something as trivial as your belief that letters and petitions don't work. You've spoken your opinions and that's fine. That's what discussion forums are for, but how many more times are you going to re-post that? Just let it be. Let us do what we need to do to try and save something we care about. You are wasting more time complaining about what everyobody else said than any of us will writing a letter or signing a petition.
Ditto.
TM2-Megatron wrote:BDF, what is it with your pessimism? Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do something fun or exciting, you make it... not... that way. I hate... so much... about the things that you choose to be. j/k... we should all watch 'The Office'
And Ditto again.

Escapay

Re: E-mail from Leonard Maltin re. Disney Treasures

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:00 am
by 2099net
TM2-Megatron wrote:As much respect as I have for Mr. Maltin, he doesn't work for Disney. Also, I don't have any respect at all for the idiots currently running BVHE. As I said, we shouldn' yet take anything they might say as absolutely true. BVHE is hardly the highest authority at Disney, and ultimately the fate of WDT will be up to somebody above BVHE.
When it comes to Home Entertainment releases, I pretty much think Buena Vista Home Entertainment are the highest authority at Disney.

Do you really think Iger or similar will step in to rescue a line that has only sold 260,000 copies this year while Disney are busy rubbing their hands together looking at the Pirates of the Caribbean, Little Mermaid, Chicken Little and High School Musical sales figures?

Plus for everyone who blames the live action shows for letting the line loose momentum, it is a huge task, both financial and timewise to restore the cartoons. Each wave of Disney Treasures has probably 8 hours of animated content to restore. Put more animated releases in and there'd be much more. Rememeber, it took over a year to restore Bambi which is only 70 odd minutes.

Remember how people complained how On the Front Lines was delayed?

Well, that was delayed because they got behind on their restoration. It shows what a huge investment Disney are/were making in their restorations. I suspect Disney got behind again on Wave 5, but had little choice but to release what they could. And, boy, didn't the complaints hit the fan then? You can't have everything all nicely packaged for a limited number release selling for less than $35 MSRP.

I think the live action releases were needed to allow a big enough number of titles each wave to make retailers want to support these releases. There'd be no special displays in stores for example if only 2 titles were released annually.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:24 am
by Lars Vermundsberget
Big Disney Fan wrote:Susie and Casey are not enough to justify a second Rarities set. So the only series left to finish is Donald.
It was really weird that Susie and Casey were not included in the Rarities set. Those two and the C&D shorts could all be included with the remaining DD shorts. That's what we should "go for".

Re: What Donald toons are unavailable?

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:25 am
by MK Sharp
Big Disney Fan wrote:When I said "lest we don't get any more", I meant "IN CASE we don't get any more."
Yes, I know what lest means, my old darling, but since when has there been any in-case-ness about it? Why, only a few pages back we were assuured that the Treasures line is 100% dead in the water.

Please tell me you're not mellowing, BDF - it would be too too bitterly disappointing. In this terrible world of relativism and flux, we need some constants to rely upon!

I still see absolutely nothing wrong with dropping the good folk at Disney a line letting them know that I'm keen to buy a couple more Donald Treasures and would be disappointed if I don't get the chance. In my experience, it's quite amazing what you can get done with a little bit of public groundswell as a driver. I think lobbying can be a very powerful and effective force, and it's flat wrong to say that it rarely works. But then, I've had government bodies quote my submissions verbatim as they implement the recommendations I've suggested, and I can see my fingerprints in at least one Australian legislative act.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:39 am
by Farid
They should be ashamed of themselves! :roll: :evil:

What the hell good is an incomplete Donald series? :?

Re: What Donald toons are unavailable?

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:53 am
by Lars Vermundsberget
MK Sharp wrote:I still see absolutely nothing wrong with dropping the good folk at Disney a line letting them know that I'm keen to buy a couple more Donald Treasures and would be disappointed if I don't get the chance. In my experience, it's quite amazing what you can get done with a little bit of public groundswell as a driver. I think lobbying can be a very powerful and effective force, and it's flat wrong to say that it rarely works.
I believe you're right. A bunch of fans sending the same angry email over and over may not really be the way to go, though.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:09 am
by jebsdad
Various posts have questioned whether the Treasures series is really dead. From what I understand, Leonard Maltin and his associates' work on Wave 7 started soon after Wave 6 was completed. I think Bill Cotter even mentioned working on his contribution. So Leonard Maltin had to be told the series was ended to stop the work on the next Wave.

I will also be very disappointed in the rest of the Donald Duck toons aren't released on DVD. I'm hoping that the Walt Disney's Legacy Collection may add that to their series, but who knows if there will be future "Waves" of that series after Destino, etc. Do we know for certain that the "Destino" etc. is even going to be released now. I certainly hope so, but Disney has canceled other release plans at the last minute in the past.

Of course I want the miscellaneous other missing toons and a set of educational / commercial / public service toons is also a major want for me. There are still many "On The Front Line" WWII shorts that could be included in a miscellaneous / educational set.

In the meantime, I plan to celebrate the 22 DVD sets released on the Walt Disney Treasures series by watching "something" from each set within the next few weeks / months.

Whatever the future of the Donald Duck toons, etc. are, I was quite surprised and thrilled when the Treasures series was first released and we got 6 Waves of the release. Even though I want MORE, I will always appreciate Leonard Maltin's "partnership" with Disney in getting these 6 Waves released.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:53 am
by ichabod
Apparantly I've been quiet on the matter, so here are my thoughts.

I'm not surprised really, I mean I posted just after wave 6's release the Leonard had said he was uncertain about a future and had not heard anything, so I pretty much took that as the death knell ringing, the confirmation wasn't a surprise.

I'm still annoyed that Donald and Elfego Baca/Swamp Fox will remain imcomplete for now, but let's face it, the missing stuff will appear sooner or later, it's just unfortuante it will probably be later. I think the misisng stuff may show up in the legacy collection, also it wouldn't surprise me if in a couple of years Disney started something like the looney tunes golden collection dvds, something like 4 disc sets which don't so much focus on one character, more of a random assemblage.

I mean I remember before wave 1 was released i'd trawl the internet reading about shorts like Der feuhrer's face, which you were lucky if you managed to see a bad online mpg of, i never dreamt Disney would issue it gloriously restored!

I think Donald is destined for release sooner or later, I'm more upset about the lesser known things, the one off eductional shorts, Elfego Baca, and the other serials from both Disneyland and The Mickey Mouse Club, these are probably least likely to be revisited now.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:07 am
by darth_deetoo
I'm not so much bothered about that much of the live action stuff. To be honest I've got a bit of a backlog on viewing Treasures anyway, but I was always pleased to get new Treasures volumes.

I always enjoy the programmes presented by Walt Disney, and looking at Disneyland, or behind the scenes of the studio's.

I'm also annoyed that Donald isn't being completed.

Aside from Donald, I think we've got most of the best shorts released through the character themed sets, On The Front Lines and Silly Symphonies and Rarities.

I'm probably going to pursue some of the Cartoon Favourite collections now, and try and get as many of the missing shorts as I can this way. I'd always avoided these because I was expecting a definitive series the Treasures label, and didn't want to double dip.

I'm sure Donald will get completed sooner or later.

With some of the other live action material. Well, I think Davy Crockett is probably the most well remembered and well thought of, and that's complete.

I'm not really that bothered about anymore Mickey Mouse Club. It's interesting to have the original run as a historical record. Similar feeling about the Hardy Boys and Spin & Marty. Not really bothered about seeing anymore. I haven't watched the Hardy Boys yet, but I did watch Spin & Marty, and actually got quite into it. I didn't expect to enjoy it that much, but I watched it over about a week, and did quite enjoy it. Hopefully the Hardy Boys will be a similar experience.

Haven't actually looked at Elfego Baca and the Swamp Fox either yet.

I did sell some of my Treasures last year before a trip to Disneyland Paris, to raise a bit of money for souvenirs. But the last year has seen me really get into Disney and I regretted the decision. It was mainly the live action stuff I got rid of.

However, this month I've just got Davy Crockett and Disneyland USA back off Ebay (mint in tins at a very reasonable price), and I've just ordered Tomorrowland too. The only one's I've got left to reacquire are Mickey Mouse Club, Spin & Marty and Elfego Baca / Swamp Fox, which are all still fairly easy to get. I'll be buying them over the next few months.

But just as I've got back into the Treasures, this news breaks, and it's very disappointing. I'm grateful for what we did get, but wish we could have the last 3 remaining animated volumes people are talking about to bring the collection to a nice round 25 volumes, and make it one of the best (if not the best, collections Disney has ever put out). As it now stands, the Treasures series is marred by just a couple of sets being left incomplete.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:43 am
by akhenaten
maybe if disney hadn't make it look too EXCLUSIVE and RARE and EXPENSIVE people would actually buy a lot! I STILL NEED A COMPLETE SET OF DONALD!! IT'S ALL THAT MATTERS TO ME NOW :donald: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Re: E-mail from Leonard Maltin re. Disney Treasures

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:03 am
by Timon/Pumbaa fan
thomashton wrote:I don't necessarily agree with this becaus:

#1 Pirates was hyped beyond belief and everyone wanted to see it because of the success of the first one. Most agree it is far inferior to COTBP. It would have done well even if Davy Jones and Jack played smack bottom for 2.5 hours.

#2 You can't use Cars in your arguement. That is 100% Pixar.

#3 The actual quote you dismissed said, "With the exception of a very select few titles . . ." I agree Pirates is good and should be on that short list, but Megatron was being generous by saying "a very select FEW [have been good]". I can't think of many more. Can you?
1. Well, certainly DMC had it's fans, as it made $423, certainly some people saw it more than once in the theaters(me being one of them). It's also the most bought DVD of 2006 for a reason.

2. I don't know how exactly to announce this to you but..Disney Bought Pixar, so now, Pixar IS Disney. :wink:

3. Well, everything Disney has released hasn't been pure gold, true, but there's probably never been a year where everything a company does turns out successful. Either way, saying even with "a very select few" in that statement, I feel is a tad harsh. Especially if you cosider the time everyond considers a "Renaissance", not everything was successful and released quite a bit of stuff that could be considered crap.
TM2-Megatron wrote: Sure, they could release the Donald shorts using the Legacy line, but it would actually probably take more money to do that at this point than to just finish off the Treasures line with one more wave. As people have already said, if Disney released the remaining Donald shorts to the Legacy Series, they'd also probably have to release the shorts that were included in the Vol 1 and 2 Treasures, as well; which would mean more expense than necessary. Also, the packaging really wouldn't match up well if half the Donald sets were Treasures and the other Legacy.
But didn't you say a couple pages ago the actual tins were not your problem with the recent volumes? If Disney announced today they were going to release the last two Donald volumes at the end of the year as part of the Legacy collection, and you have every Donald cartoon ever made by the end of 2007, are you really going to care that much if the packaging doesn't match on the shelf? As they say in so many of our favorite Disney movies, "It's not what is outside, but what is insider that counts."

Also, I don't think Disney HAS to released the first two Disney volumes if they released the latter two on the Legacy Collection. They could just claim it as "The Best of Donald" like you would with a Best Of... [insert random t.v. show] so you would disguise it to the regular public and make people like us know it matchs our first volumes of our WDTs. The only problem would be we'd be excluding Mickey and Goofy from the Legacy Collection, but are customers really that observant?

Either way, I say there really isn't much we can do except learn how to be patient.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:17 am
by Big Disney Fan
goofystitch wrote:Big Disney Fan, what do you honestly care? I am really sick of having to skip your negative posts. Everybody gets it. You don't think it's any use sending letters, e-mails, or creating petitions. Thank you for the advice, but we all care about this to much to just stop now. Enough with your negative posts to every single post on here. And when there's been a five minute span where you weren't online, you make up for it by posting 3 consecutive posts to bash what you missed? Enough with it already. Please. I think I speak for everybody when I say there is absolutely no reason to fight on here, especially about something as trivial as your belief that letters and petitions don't work. You've spoken your opinions and that's fine. That's what discussion forums are for, but how many more times are you going to re-post that? Just let it be. Let us do what we need to do to try and save something we care about. You are wasting more time complaining about what everyobody else said than any of us will writing a letter or signing a petition.

P.S: This isn't meant to be rude or to make you mad and I hope you enjoyed "Night At the Museum." It has it's faults, but I really enjoyed it. Thank you.
Faults? That movie had no faults; it was wonderful! And I've been trying to stop being negative about this whole scenario and instead tried to explain what post-47 Donald shorts were out there in some form or another. You go ahead and write your letters and emails and such; just don't surprised is all I'm saying. Maybe they will change their minds, maybe not, but for now, there's a decent list of Donald shorts available for those of you who want to see some of those toons now.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:23 am
by Big Disney Fan
TM2-Megatron wrote:Having them on YouTube or Yahoo! Video really isn't the same... and it's hardly satisfactory. Not only is the quality awful on those sites, many people prefer having content on self-contained media. That's the same reason I hate the idea of downloading/streaming movies to your TV as a replacement for optical media.
I'm not trying to make it a permanent replacement for TV. I know only too well there's no real replacement for video quality on TV. I'm just saying that downloading them on the computer is a temporary solution. It's not meant to be permanent.
BDF, what is it with your pessimism? Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do something fun or exciting, you make it... not... that way. I hate... so much... about the things that you choose to be. j/k... we should all watch 'The Office'
I don't know what's the matter with me. I guess I'm like this A LOT, not just when I'm on the Internet, but like this, PERIOD. Please don't hate me for pessimism, I'm just trying to save you some time. But if you want to write your letters and emails, go right ahead, don't think I'm trying to stop you. Just don't be surprised if the response is less than satisfying.
Personally, I'd almost be satisfied if they released the rest of it in the Legacy line... heck, those titles already use half the regular Treasure tins. For the Donald Legacy sets, Disney just needs to replace the plastic cover with an appropriate metal cover and put an alpha case inside instead of the felt and fake film can.
Yeah, maybe they will release the remaining shorts in the Legacy line. It's certainly better than nothing at all.

Re: What Donald toons are unavailable?

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:37 am
by Big Disney Fan
MK Sharp wrote:I still see absolutely nothing wrong with dropping the good folk at Disney a line letting them know that I'm keen to buy a couple more Donald Treasures and would be disappointed if I don't get the chance. In my experience, it's quite amazing what you can get done with a little bit of public groundswell as a driver. I think lobbying can be a very powerful and effective force, and it's flat wrong to say that it rarely works.
I never said that it was wrong to write them, I'm just saying that we're dealing with people who have their own agendas.
Lars Vermundsberget wrote:
MK Sharp wrote:I still see absolutely nothing wrong with dropping the good folk at Disney a line letting them know that I'm keen to buy a couple more Donald Treasures and would be disappointed if I don't get the chance. In my experience, it's quite amazing what you can get done with a little bit of public groundswell as a driver. I think lobbying can be a very powerful and effective force, and it's flat wrong to say that it rarely works.
I believe you're right. A bunch of fans sending the same angry email over and over may not really be the way to go, though.
Well put there, Lars! That's the point I was trying to make all along.

Re: E-mail from Leonard Maltin re. Disney Treasures

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:16 am
by TM2-Megatron
Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:But didn't you say a couple pages ago the actual tins were not your problem with the recent volumes? If Disney announced today they were going to release the last two Donald volumes at the end of the year as part of the Legacy collection, and you have every Donald cartoon ever made by the end of 2007, are you really going to care that much if the packaging doesn't match on the shelf? As they say in so many of our favorite Disney movies, "It's not what is outside, but what is insider that counts."
It isn't so much the tins as it is the lack of actual cases for the discs. I don't even keep the tins on my DVD shelves... they're stored seperately on a shelf in my closet. The legacy series has allright packaging, but I never really liked the fact that that there isn't a real DVD case inside the tin. With these, I'm basically forced to keep the entire package on my shelf, and it takes up too much space IMO.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:39 am
by yamiiguy
I was disappointed when I read this as I had just started collecting :(
so I sent a polite e-mail to dick.cook@disney.com

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:41 am
by Big Disney Fan
yamiiguy wrote:I was disappointed when I read this as I had just started collecting :(
so I sent a polite e-mail to dick.cook@disney.com
I sure hope he responds.
Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:Also, I don't think Disney HAS to released the first two Disney volumes if they released the latter two on the Legacy Collection. They could just claim it as "The Best of Donald" like you would with a Best Of... [insert random t.v. show] so you would disguise it to the regular public and make people like us know it matchs our first volumes of our WDTs. The only problem would be we'd be excluding Mickey and Goofy from the Legacy Collection, but are customers really that observant?
Well, maybe they don't HAVE to release the first two Donald sets on the Legacy set, but don't you think that would be kinda awkward if they didn't?

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:01 pm
by ohmahaaha
Big Disney Fan wrote:Another futile petition? They won't listen, no matter how hard you try to talk to them. The only thing you guys will accomplish is time being wasted. So if they say they're gonna stop the WDT, all the petitions in the world can't stop them. All you guys can do is just accept the inevitable. Donald's set will never be completed, get over it! If you want to see Donald cartoons so bad, just watch them on YouTube, they're on there! Just give up, petitions don't help, they never have and I don't think they ever will.
Spoken like a true weak link! If you care for the Treasures at all, would it be too much time to waste to take 5 minutes and let Disney know how much you'd like to see more??

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:16 pm
by gpn
A few years back Disney planned to release Princess Mononoke on DVD with only it's english-language track. When word got out to the anime community an online petition to have the original japanese track included was organized and I gladly signed it. When Disney saw how much interest there was in having the japanese-language track included, they delayed the release and released it with both language tracks. Disney does have a history of responding to petitions, so I will gladly email them my interest in seeing the Treasures line continued and hope for the best.