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Wow..lol let me know what you think

If you keep showing us all these clips, by the time the movie comes out we would of already seen the whole thing.

It's good though... good input!!!

And why do they keep waking Flower up. If a skunk doesn't get his beauty sleep he can be very cranky.

And now I know who that scary (looks like he's going to start some serious sh*t) porcupine is. That guy rules!

wow thanks a lot!!!!!
well, I never liked that punky-hair fellow, no wonder why after watching the last video.

Sorry, college starts back up tomorrow in good ole' Kansas, so that should keep me occupied. Zol., we played the Colorado School of Mines last yr, are you anywhere close to that? But I probably won't have time to search for clips once school and football running start back up.

No, I actually go to Colorado State University... GO RAMS!!! I already stated school and already I can't find the building for one of my classes. Actually I found it now but it's too late... it got out like 20 minutes ago. It's no biggy they probably would of just yacked about the policies. I'm actually posting this at CSU because I have to spend the whole day here.

Anyways, yeah that porcupine is quite the little bastard. It's just a freaking log man, get over it. I like how he chases Bambi thought it cracked me the hell up. You know what would of been better than a porcupine... a badger. Oh man one time when I was going hunting I walked right by a badger hole and the darn thing ran out and started hissing and grawling at me. So I cracked a shoot in the air with my shootgun and he ran back into his hole. I was like "yeah you better run, I'm the king of the forest man!!!" Those guys are the devil, I tell you what.

Haha... I new a merge was inevitable too.

I thinks this movie will be good, but nothing like the 1st one..

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Sorry, I really am gonna spoil the movie
Enjoy Ladies and Gents!

Oh come on now really, that's it I'm not buying the movie. I'll some how compile all of these clips together and you primarily get the same thing.

Is it just me or the quality of this clip really messed up?

yea you can't FF the clip any or the quality really suffers :S

A review from Ch. 8 in Dallas http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/Video ... &catId=104

It's the all-new exciting adventures of ADD Bambi!

It'd be interesting to compare the word count between Bambi and this new abomination. I think Bambi had about 800 words of dialogue in it, more or less? Hmmph. This film will probably beat that count by tenfold. -_-

Really. With all these clips appearing online, why would one have to bother seeing the film? This really is an example of Disney at its lowest though, imo. Taking a 64 year old classic, calling it a sequel even though it occurs "during" the timeline of the original film, so as to capitalize on the baby animal characters and their cuteness. Then, since - you know - kids today can't sit still to watch a cartoon unless there's a lot of meaningless chatter going on, apparently - you take those cute baby animals and have them speak nonstop, voiced by sickly cute kids with lisps and speech impediments. Then you add lots of crude, mind-numbingly stupid, ill-fitting, and insulting humor like fart jokes and phrases like, "A prince does not... 'woo-hoo,'" in order to keep fresh and hip with today's Shrek-lovin' crowd. There appears to be an annoying amount of physical comedy used, as well - Bambi's hooves in the icy water, Bambi slipping on the hill, etc. It definitely is not in the same vein as the physical comedy from the original - this new stuff is just irritating.

Add all that together with "contemporary issues that families of today can relate to" (i.e. Mena the step-mother doe), and repeating every single act, behavior, or funny moment from the original film (Thumper's mother chastising him, Flower's "Oh, gosh!", Ronno "herding" Faline, Bambi jumping over the log, Bambi trudging into snow over his head, the bucks running in the field, Mena's dialogue telling Bambi to run matching his mother's to the word, etc etc etc), in some sort of misfiring attempt to "pay homage" to the original - betcha anything that's what the filmmakers will say on the DVD. Methinks it is instead a shameful attempt to "update Bambi for the new generation" - that or they just needed some filler for such a ridiculously light plot premise. e_e

The action of the characters really bothers me, as well. It's like they can't sit still - hence the ADD comment. The overexpressiveness of the faces is just overkill; there's about 1700 different facial motions in a matter of seconds. It strongly reminds me of Scamp's Adventure in that regard. >_< It may just be that the oppressed animators are trying to get some fun out of their work by resorting to exaggerated pantomime, but who knows. It's annoying, in any case.

It really is too bad that in a physical animation sense, the cheapquel looks quite nice. Feature animation quality, almost. To think that these animators - at a secondary facility, no less - could be working on original stories and utilizing top-notch animation on original side-projects; instead of the likes of Bambi II, Lion King 1½, or Scamp's Adventure - that's truly a sad thought indeed.

well, I try to keep my mind on watching it before judging it, but the film`s starting to look like it n_n

What does everyone think about the "70 days in the vault" thing? Does anyone else think it's a bit, well, stupid? Not only are Disney making people impulse buy the product, but they are also making up silly and sentimental anniversaries to try and make something appear like it is part of a sacred order. Oh, the ninny of it...

You know, the way they keep going on about it being "unprecedented," you'd think they've never done this before.

It was like this for a longtime, dating back to at least 2003 with Sleeping Beauty. Though 70 days is pushing it for a limit -- only the Limited Issues were in print for shorter (60 days each), and Disney seems to have forgotten about them.

And the "anniversary of the conception" thing is just really absurd. Plus, it makes it seem like this respects that film -- while it's obvious that this abomination should never have been produced at all. Yeah, the animation does look pretty and a lot of talented people wasted their time making this thing, but BAMBI is a complete story. It does not need a sequel. And worse, they are screwing with a Walt-era film; I know it's not the first time, or the last time, but it's on a whole other level than screwing with modern creations because at least the modern creations are "theirs," so to speak. Yes, they own Bambi and have the right to screw it up with a sequel, but that doesn't make it any less morally wrong.

My take? They know they've got a dud here, so they want to get as many people to buy it as possible before word spreads that it's bad. They've been paying attention to the declining sales numbers of the recent cheapquels and are trying to make sure that that won't happen again here. Funny, but I think it will. Especially since they themselves have positioned Lady and the Tramp for release three weeks later, and who in their right mind is going to bother with Bambi II once that high-quality masterpiece is visable and available at the same price point?

not quite stupid
As Jake said before,many cheapquels have had loses ionstead of profits because they produce more DVDs than the ones that the consumers will really buy.
Sometimes because they think,"Well, If I don`t buy it this week I might be able to buy it the next" but the consumer never buy it.
making it a "limited time only" create a pressure to the consumer to buy it before is "too late", so they can produce less but having proffits.

Consider this, many parents havent show Bambi to their childs because of the trauma of Bambi`s mom death(even when its never showed and the truth could be Bambi 2002 )and to them buy Bambi II could mean to buy the original movie so they understand completelly the movie.
So, the sales of Bambi are pushed uo by the sequel, adding the fact that is a "limited time only" sequel and the factor that sometimes when someone buy the sequel buy the original

Paka wrote:It'd be interesting to compare the word count between Bambi and this new abomination. I think Bambi had about 800 words of dialogue in it, more or less? Hmmph. This film will probably beat that count by tenfold. -_-

The original has a little over 900 words of dialogue and the sequel will easily beat that.
You're right about a lot of things... like they make it appeal to this generation of children. I mean a lot has changed since 1942 at that time nuclear weapons weren't even invented so really what did you expect? They could of took a lot of characteristics in the sequel down a few notches. Like the cuteness level, the talking, and the incorporating things from the original to the new but the fact is... it's finished and if you don't like it... don't watch it. Simple, but you got to watch it to find out it's bad. I mean a few clips only give you a taste... you need to have the main course to know what it's really like because you might of missed a flavor.

Isidour wrote:Consider this, many parents haven't show Bambi to their children because of the trauma of Bambi`s mom death.

Not true...
At work I wear a name badge and I have lots of Bambi stickers on it. Stickers of adult Bambi, as well as the Great Prince. This lady with her two little girls come through my check out line. One of her girls saw my name badge (and she was like 5) and said "He's got Bambi on his name tag." I was shocked because I use to believe the same thing but the truth is parent's do let their children watch the movie because they watched it when they were a kid too. That's the effect that Disney films have on generations and generations. It's remarkable.

Jake Lipson wrote:My take? They know they've got a dud here, so they want to get as many people to buy it as possible before word spreads that it's bad. They've been paying attention to the declining sales numbers of the recent cheapquels and are trying to make sure that that won't happen again here.

I'm not aware sequel sales are declining - infact they seem to be going up with the odd bump here and there. Of course, everything's a lot lower than the amazing Lion King 1 1/2 sales, but that was the exception. The Aladdin sequels didn't sell to well, but they had of course been released before.

Also remember when sequel sales are quoted, they are TOTAL sales, including in some cases old VHS sales. So a lot of the older sequels have higher sales than the newer, simply because of their extended histories.

Paka wrote:<a href="http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... 2658">...a lot!</a>

Amen to that!!! Totally agree!

That's a very odd move for Disney IMO.

I mean 70 days? Do you really expect it to sell more than if it was out for, say, a year?

I mean Cinderella and Bambi both sold well and they didn't need to be out for 70 days only. I guess Disney just has to learn, they're sequels just aren't going to sell that well(with the exception of The Lion King 1 1/2!).

As for Bambi 2, nobody is saying it'll be better than the original, because it most likely won't, but I think in terms of DTV's, it looks to be very decent IMO.

And for the record, I actually enjoy Scamp's Adventure more than Lady and the Tramp!

Wonderlicious wrote:What does everyone think about the "70 days in the vault" thing? Does anyone else think it's a bit, well, stupid? Not only are Disney making people impulse buy the product, but they are also making up silly and sentimental anniversaries to try and make something appear like it is part of a sacred order. Oh, the ninny of it...

I wholeheartedly agree. "The 70th anniversary of Walt's inception of Bambi"? WTF?! That's stretching it a bit much, imo. And unfortunately, though all (or most) of us here know that "going in the vault" simply means production of new units will cease and the existing stock in stores will just stagnate until it's bought, most other monkeys get caught in the trap of believing that they won't be able to find the DVD anywhere after April 18th. So yeah, the "OMG hurry and get it now!" panic strategy may work, or it may not. We'll have to wait and see.

Jake Lipson wrote:My take? They know they've got a dud here, so they want to get as many people to buy it as possible before word spreads that it's bad.

That's an interesting thought. On a related note, I wonder if this cheapquel has had any kind of test screenings during its production? Do DTV releases even get test screenings, typically? O_o Hmm. Well, I do wonder whether this time the suits are somewhat aware of the dangerous grounds they're treading into - making a shoddy follow-up to a lauded classic - yet production went ahead anyway because the pull of money is too strong for them...

Zoltack wrote:...but the fact is... it's finished and if you don't like it... don't watch it. Simple, but you got to watch it to find out it's bad. I mean a few clips only give you a taste... you need to have the main course to know what it's really like because you might of missed a flavor.

Ahh, the age-old comebacks of "don't like it, don't watch it" and "don't knock it 'til you've tried it." Well as to the latter, I do intend on renting the film to give it a "fair trial" but I'm sure I already have a correct assessment of the film. Yes, I know trailers and clips can sometimes give the wrong impression of a film, but Disney cheapquels usually leave nothing to the imagination.
As to "don't like it, don't watch it" - I'm sorry, but I really really dislike that mentality. It encourages apathy and rewards ignorance. Do you have any idea how harmful such a mantra as "just don't think about it" really is? Well, I'll tell you one thing - that attitude has gotten us to where we are today - teetering on the edge of oblivion because a few generations before us didn't care to have any foresight, or voice their dissent when something was awry. So saying I should just ignore the problem doesn't aid the situation in the least - in fact, it just makes it worse. Sorry to go all Lazario on you, Zoltack - but that's just how I feel. e_e

2099net wrote:I'm not aware sequel sales are declining - infact they seem to be going up with the odd bump here and there. Of course, everything's a lot lower than the amazing Lion King 1 1/2 sales, but that was the exception.

Well, Luke himself posted that fact on the main page, although of course, I'd love to see some actual stats and numbers on the sales for the last few cheapquels, because that's news to me, too.

Kin00 wrote:Amen to that!!! Totally agree!

Thank you kindly Kin00, but was it really called for to block-quote my whole post just to say that? *edits*

Timon/Pumba fan wrote:And for the record, I actually enjoy Scamp's Adventure more than Lady and the Tramp!

I guess it's all just a matter of what we grow up with. I for example love some fairly dreadful films simply because I watched them and adored them as a kid. Maybe in our youth we're all-forgiving. Unless you watched LatT a ton when you were a kid too... *shrug* LOL