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Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:11 am
by Disney Duster
Atlantica, did you mean the episode where Snow White defends her kingdom? With Hercules? That was the episode just before the most recent one in the US yesterday. I didn't know she hated Mary Margaret or her last storyline! Or did she mean this storyline? Did she not like her spending so much time being Mary Margaret and taking care of the baby?!
Disney's Divinity wrote:I did like the little they did with Cruella, and Regina visiting Daniel's grave. I'm not defending post-Milah Rumpel at all (and his murder of his wife was disgusting and not justified in any way), but Milah was and always will be a huge bitch. I cannot stand her. Still, I felt sorry for her being pushed into the pool of souls
That is EXACTLY how I feel!!!
Disney's Divinity wrote:Rumpel continues to be irredeemable. It seemed unspoken that Rumpel was telling Milah to give his love to Bae because Rumpel will never end up there if he does die. Come to think of it, Bae was a real pill, too. They really were a perfect family of suck.
LOL! Well I still feel Rumpel will, in the end, become good. But I never thought that maybe he won't make it to the happier side of death.
Disney's Divinity wrote:Anyway, does this episode in a way explain why Rumpel would want Cinderella's child (although at the time that info. was revealed, it seemed like he wanted just to have the Savior owe him a favor in the future--since he had prophecy)? I liked that the writers remembered he almost had a child with Cora.

I don't get how Hades can just put living people's names on graves and force them to be dead though...
Hm, did think about Cinderella's baby. I wouldn't think he really wanted a baby that wasn't from his bloodline, but maybe. And yea, Hades being able to make live people stay in the Underworld doesn't make sense but it's kind of necessary for story to be more interesting.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:39 pm
by JeanGreyForever
Atlantica wrote:.

And finally finally the writers have listened RE Mary Margaret / Snow. I loved her in this episode, and it was great to have Ginny actually featured again. I wonder if she had a hand in the episode at all ? She's been quite vocal about her dislike of her recent storyline, and as far back as the show has been on she's voiced her dislike of Mary Margaret as a person. Wonder what made the writers finally listen ?
I didn't realize that Ginnifer was unhappy with the direction of her character either. I can't blame her though. I've found Mary Margaret insufferable for the past few seasons now, which is a pity because I love seeing her as Snow White in the flashbacks. Honestly, all the character was doing was freaking out at Emma and looking fairly incompetent (like getting knocked out by Zelena on guard duty or constantly being choked by enemies). And the clothes they were putting her in were not flattering either.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:07 pm
by TheSequelOfDisney
Last night's episode was a huge improvement over last week's! :up:

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:16 am
by Atlantica
Yeah, Ginnifer hasn't been a happy bunny (pardon the pun...) for a good while now with her role in the show; I guess its now finally ending though as the creators have finally listened to sense !

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:07 pm
by Disney's Divinity
So--Zelena is Persephone? I like that.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:41 pm
by disneyprincess11
I don't. I think the Zelena/Hades relationship is random and forced. If there is going to be a Persephone, it needs to be Belle. Last week pretty much hinted it (“So pretty! I’ve been watching her. She’s simply darling!”) And it’s good for Rumple’s development

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:55 am
by Sotiris
Disney's Divinity wrote:I'm not defending post-Milah Rumpel at all (and his murder of his wife was disgusting and not justified in any way), but Milah was and always will be a huge bitch. I cannot stand her. Still, I felt sorry for her being pushed into the pool of souls. Rumpel continues to be irredeemable.

I really don't like what they're doing with Rumple's character. It feels that he's not growing or learning anything from his mistakes. When he actually shows signs of growth or change they have him regress back just so they can keep him being the bad guy. They redeemed him in 3B by having him sacrifice himself to save his loved ones, only to have him come back exactly the same. Then, last season he overcomes his fears and his obsession with power, proving he doesn't need them, that he can be strong and brave without them, just to have him become the same ol' Dark One again. Now, he killed his son's mother for the second time, depriving him of a relationship with her yet again, and denying her the chance to be forgiven and have their bond mended. This coming from a man whose raison d'etre was doing right by his son and fixing his past mistakes with him.
Disney's Divinity wrote:I don't get how Hades can just put living people's names on graves and force them to be dead though...
Me neither. They didn't explain that adequately. I hope they show Snow and David searching for their parents' gravestones. Don't they want to know whether their parents are stuck in the Underworld or not? Also, why isn't Regina curious as to where her mother disappeared?

The writers are really playing fast and loose with what counts as unfinished business. The Apprentice is there because he needs to stop Henry from using the quill to resurrect Cruella? His unfinished business involved something that hadn't happened at the time of his death. Those sailors couldn't pass on until they found out the truth about Liam's deal with Hades? How is it your unfinished business if it has nothing to do with anything you did (or didn't do)? It makes no sense.

The Zelena-Hades romance just seems silly, judging by next week's promo. They don't seem to have any chemistry together and I find it difficult taking their relationship seriously. Riding a bicycle together? Really?

I wonder if there's a chance Zelena's baby is not actually Robin's but Hades' instead. I somehow doubt it though.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:00 am
by disneyprincess11
^100% agreed with everything you said, Sotiris.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:03 am
by Disney's Divinity
I'm trying to think when Rumple went off the rails for me. I was going to say 4A because I mostly hated him during that arc, but I kind of enjoyed the ending with Belle finally taking a stand and hopefully Rumple redeeming himself (like the Beast in B&tB). While that didn't happen in 4B, I did enjoy seeing Rumple, on his deathbed, become Zelena's b**** again. :lol: I think it was definitely the end of 5A that ruined him. Not only does it revert him and his relationship with Belle back to square one, it practically made everything that happened in 5A (including Emma and Hook's drama all to destroy the darkness) null and void. Somehow I'm imagining the end of the show being the fight with Rumple. The only thing is, whoever kills him will have to become the Dark One. I actually thought how interesting it would be if Regina took over his role, as a completion of her redemption arc and also because unlike Rumple she's been able to deny her emotions and vengeful desires.

We'll have to agree to disagree about Zelena and Hades. I'll have to judge more once the episode airs, but so far I like the idea and they look like they go well together, imo.
disneyprincess11 wrote:I don't. I think the Zelena/Hades relationship is random and forced. If there is going to be a Persephone, it needs to be Belle. Last week pretty much hinted it (“So pretty! I’ve been watching her. She’s simply darling!”) And it’s good for Rumple’s development
Ewww, no. What would Belle have ever done to deserve being juggled back and forth between Rumple and Hades every half year? Yuck.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:30 am
by unprincess
Victoria Smurfit is Cruella Deville. If Disney has to make a 101 Dalmatians remake they should just use her as Cruella. She's so much fun to watch.

Im kinda interested in the Hades/Zelena relationship and I cant stand Zelena! But Im curious to see how that's gonna work out. I wonder if this is the writers attempt to make us sympathetic for Hades a bit.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:03 pm
by Disney Duster
Yea I agree with Sotiris and Disney's Divinity about those issues and also unprincess about Cruella.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:54 am
by JeanGreyForever
Definitely agree about Victoria Smurfit as Cruella in the upcoming live-action movie. Unfortunately, Disney will likely cast Cruella using a well-known actor (like the rumored Emma Stone), but then again Mia Wasikowska and Lily James were both cast in lead roles and they weren't really well known before Alice and Cinderella respectively. So perhaps there is hope yet.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:15 pm
by JeanGreyForever
I really loved this episode! The promo made me think the relationship between Zelena and Hades was like some ridiculous sort of rom-com, but it was really poignant. This was some of Rebecca Mader's best acting imo and this is coming from a Zelena fan. I hope that by the end of this season, these two end up getting their happy ending together. Perhaps the other best thing to come from this episode is Robin leaving to go to the woods...hopefully this means he won't be on screen for some time.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:18 pm
by Disney's Divinity
I already know this is going to be a minority opinion (when has that ever stopped me?), but I loved this episode. I like Hades so much more now. Hades/Zelena right now are probably the only couple I've been into on this show (although I came to like Emma/Hook gradually, they don't make the show for me or anything, and I've never been a fan of Robin/Regina or Rumpel/Belle).

Of course I've always been a Zelena fan, but this episode made me like her as more than just a villain, surprisingly. Really liked the conflict for her not wanting to abandon her daughter like Cora did her, but having to step back from her because she's not exactly mother material. Her refusing to give into a True Love's Kiss with Hades in the flashbacks reminded me of Rumpel/Belle in the past--except, unlike those two, Hades and Zelena are on equal ground needing to change. And Hades building a Storybrooke just for her was actually so f-ing romantic to me in a twisted way..... I liked that they had her feel overwhelmed (and that Hades understood that reaction) since it is a bit stalkery and she's never had anyone value her in any way before. Actually, I thought about that earlier in the episode, and even though I'd like for Zelena to meet Cora, it would be nice if she talked to her adoptive mother (and father, since he's probably dead by now). Somehow I don't think that'll happen though since the adoptive parents were more of a footnote in her story.

I had thought when I'd read they cast two brothers for the finale (assumedly to carry over into next season), that it sounded like a younger Zeus and Hades, and I feel that way more now. I just hope that doesn't spell disaster for a Hades-Zelena couple! :(

The scene between Rumpel and Belle was actually well-done. I hope Belle isn't written as stupid enough to accept those terms to their relationship....

Rebecca Mader looked fantastic, btw. Love her.

EDIT: JeanGreyForever! :float: I was writing this while you posted. Glad I'm not alone. And I totally agree about Robin. He gets on my freaking nerves. I hope he dies eventually just to get him off the show.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:44 pm
by JeanGreyForever
I rooted for Emma/Hook mainly because I despised Neal so much, but I didn't truly start to care for the couple until season 5a with the Dark Swan arc. I abhor Regina/Robin and have lost all interest in Rumple/Belle. Honestly I zoned out during their reunion scene today because I felt like I've seen it so many times before. Belle uncovers an awful truth about him and he tries to defend himself although at least this time he was honest enough to admit that he wants power just as much as he wants her. I haven't been fond of Belle in general for some time now. Her only role seems to be that of being duped by Rumple over and over, and I really didn't like the way she ran off with Zelena's baby in this episode. Yes Zelena may not be trustworthy, but I think she's proven that she would never hurt her daughter.

I totally agree with you on the part that Hades built Storybrooke just for Zelena. I think it was the most romantic scene ever on this show lol. Even when that was happening, I was sure that I must be the only person in the world who thinks that is romantic and not some twisted form of love, so it's nice to see someone else agree with me. I hope Zelena and Cora end up meeting sometime this season even though Cora hasn't been confirmed to return. The odd thing is that Zelena has never expressed any actual interest in meeting Cora, only the regret that she was given up and not Regina. At least now I understand why Hades mentioned Zelena to Cora in the opening episode of season 5b. I was wondering how he knew about Cora giving up Zelena then, so this makes more sense now. I honestly don't remember much about Zelena's adopted parents. Were they both loving or was it the case that the father hated her but the mother loved her?

I'd love for Robin to be killed off as well, unfortunately OUAT knows that all the Regina/Robin shippers would be furious which means less viewers. Robin really has no role on this show anyway besides following Regina around. I think this episode was one of the first times in season 5b that there were any specific scenes with him, because he's been mostly background otherwise. Honestly, I'm hoping it will turn out that Hades is the father of Zelena's child so we can cut another connection with Robin. That doesn't seem to be the way it's going, but I'd love for that to be the case.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:23 pm
by Disney's Divinity
I honestly don't remember much about Zelena's adopted parents. Were they both loving or was it the case that the father hated her but the mother loved her?
That's right, they never showed the mother, and the father hated her. We only see him in one (very short) scene.

Zelena has overtaken all others to become my favorite character on this show. Regina was it for a long time, but Zelena's overtaken her. I'm so glad they continued the character beyond 3B. I believe Emma, Merlin, and Ariel are the only "good" characters that've really sparked my interest (Aurora grew on me over time).

Btw, I have to say, Regina's interaction with Zelena in this episode was much better than it was in 5A. I really would like to see her and Zelena come to have a snarky, but loving, sisterly relationship.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:42 pm
by JeanGreyForever
Disney's Divinity wrote:
I honestly don't remember much about Zelena's adopted parents. Were they both loving or was it the case that the father hated her but the mother loved her?
That's right, they never showed the mother, and the father hated her. We only see him in one (very short) scene.

Zelena has overtaken all others to become my favorite character on this show. Regina was it for a long time, but Zelena's overtaken her. I'm so glad they continued the character beyond 3B. I believe Emma, Merlin, and Ariel are the only "good" characters that've really sparked my interest (Aurora grew on me over time).

Btw, I have to say, Regina's interaction with Zelena in this episode was much better than it was in 5A. I really would like to see her and Zelena come to have a snarky, but loving, sisterly relationship.
Oh I remember that now. Certainly explains Zelena's mommy issues.

Zelena is my favorite as well and I'm just as glad that they decided to bring her back. Honestly, I'm a little afraid they'll write her out by the end of this season, considering they have a tendency to banish her whenever they have no more use for her.

Regina was my favorite until I think the end of season 3 and early season 4. I love Ariel as well because she was the most true to the original character. I know Merida was not popular in season 5a, but I actually really enjoyed her character arcs as well, much more than the movie.

Out of other good characters, I would pick Emma and Snow White. Emma has grown on me over the years. She was never my favorite at first, but the past season or two, she's really jumped to my forefront, especially with Regina fading behind. I've always loved Snow White but I despise Mary Margaret, so I'm glad we've seen the end of Mary Margaret. At first, I was afraid that she would just make a bold declaration on her change of character and that would be the end of it, but I'm really seeing more of the classic Snow rather than the insufferable Mary Margaret lately.

Out of anti-hero/villainous characters, my favorites have been Cora, Peter Pan (although I hated his character arc), Arthur (I know he wasn't well-liked), Cruella, and now Hades (whenever his head isn't on fire). And Hook has certainly grown on me although considering his male counterparts (Charming, Robin), it's no wonder I feel that way.

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:53 pm
by Disney's Divinity
JeanGreyForever wrote:Out of anti-hero/villainous characters, my favorites have been Cora, Peter Pan (although I hated his character arc), Arthur (I know he wasn't well-liked), Cruella, and now Hades (whenever his head isn't on fire). And Hook has certainly grown on me although considering his male counterparts (Charming, Robin), it's no wonder I feel that way.
I like most of their villains, but my ordering is probably Cruella > Ingrid = Pan > Cora > Hades > Hook > Sidney > Nimue > Arthur > Maleficent. If I were to include the Wonderland characters, btw, Jafar would probably be up there with Zelena for me. I loved all of the main characters and couples on Wonderland, too--Cyrus, Alice, Ana, Will.

Oh, I forgot Elsa. And I liked young Baelfire, young Snow, Wendy Darling, and Hercules, as far as good characters who only had a few appearances (one in Herc's case).

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:39 am
by Disney Duster
Zelena should have realized if Hades' kiss was of true love, Hades wouldn't do anything to her to hurt her like mess with her spell.
Disney's Divinity wrote:
I honestly don't remember much about Zelena's adopted parents. Were they both loving or was it the case that the father hated her but the mother loved her?
That's right, they never showed the mother, and the father hated her. We only see him in one (very short) scene.
No, they did show her adoptive mother. When she found Zelena after the cyclone! Remember?

Re: Once Upon a Time (ABC TV series)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:32 am
by unprincess
Honestly, I'm hoping it will turn out that Hades is the father of Zelena's child so we can cut another connection with Robin.
I was wondering if that's where they were going, but I dont think so. There's a scene where they tell Robin the baby has his eyes, be weird to have that scene and later reveal the kid's not his.


I like the Hades/Zelena relationship but I still cant help but wonder if Hades is being genuine or if he's planning something. The actor is still bugging me... he pauses way too much in his dialogue, a little too William Shatner for me...

I have no love or hate for Robin but I wouldn't mind trading him for August.