Linden wrote:I realise that it takes a lot of guts to be openly gay/lesbian, and I understand that it's difficult, what with all the degrading looks/comments. I even respect homosexuals for standing up for what they believe in. But I still think that what they believe in is wrong. Does that make sense?
Can you say why you think it is wrong?
Wonderlicious, I'm not sure if I still don't get what you're saying or if you're saying something I still feel is wrong. Are you just saying that before Disney can do this, audiences would have to get to a point where they teach children about homosexuality themselves early on, to accept the movie happening. In other words, audiences would need to change? Because, if that's the case...well, of course they would have to!
Because otherwise, homosexuality would not have to be taught to children before they see the film
because it should be. Because the only thing that "should be" is Disney should show what they want to show that is perfectly not harming children in any way, which a gay movie wouldn't be, even if children had never seen or heard of the same sex being romantic ever in their entire lives of 2-8 years. The film would teach them.
BellesPrince wrote:I simply think that the struggle with a person's own sexuality is something which they really come to terms with in their teens and into adulthood, and I don't think an animated movie / fairytale is the right place to address such issues.
Not only do young children grapple with their sexual differences from a young age, as I did, because I knew I was different and felt differently about boys at a young age but didn't know why, but children see adult and teen issues in Disney films all the time! By golly, marriage is an adult issue, and it's in too many Disney films to count! They even deal with death! High School Musical! Also, I'm pretty sure you're gay and are in the closet and don't want to admit it, all because of the way you were raised or some other reason.
Fairytales wrote:I'm not homophobic or anything and i think everyone is free to love who they wish, but in a Disney movie i'd rather see they just stick with the prince/princess stuff. Dreamworks has already done the transgender thing (with the ugly stepsister and prince charming) but i don't see that happening with Disney.
The stepsister was transgender? I thought it was just a woman so ugly she looked and sounded like a man. Anyway, there can be gay princes and princesses. They made up the fairy tale for The Princess and the Frog, that wasn't exactly a previous story. So they can make up a fairy tale again, this time with a gay prince or princess.
DisneyAnimation88 wrote:Yes but homosexuality is not a traditional family subject. Disney have never done an animated film with gay characters and have never faced any serious calls for them to do so. If an animated Disney film centred around two gay character who fall in love, do you think parents would be comfortable taking young children to see it? I'm not sure I do.
What I was saying is rather hard to explain, I admit. What I was saying was that Disney has certain traditions. What they can do and what they can't do is a little hard to figure out, but they still can try. A lot of families may not take their kids to see the film, but what defines "family values" or "family entertainment". It is Walt who defined what family entertainment meant to him, and from all I have seen of his films, I mainly see the idea of being good and clean as being his idea of family entertainment. And we can have good, clean gay characters. I know there's a little more to the Disney idea of family entertainment, but this illustrates my point in the simplest way.
DisneyAnimation88 wrote:I'm not going to suggest that Walt Disney was homophobic as I don't know whether he was but you're making a presumption that has no foundation. As a well-known public figure in his era, he would never have publicly declared his feelings on the subject when homosexuality was a particularly taboo subject. You said on another post on the forum that Walt would be "turning in his grave" because the poster for the new Pooh film feature the phrase "Oh Pooh" and yet you are so sure he would have had no problems with homosexuality featuring in his animated films based on he "never seemed" to have a problem with it? It seems very presumptious to think such a thing when you never knew the man.
First, almost every Disney fan ever has said at sometime "Walt must be rolling over in his grave". I've said it for the very reasons other Disney fans have said it, you know what they mean by it. The only reason I have been so picked on for saying it is because I say it when usually almost no one else agrees with me, and I defend my saying of it for as long as people keep attacking my saying it.
But more importantly, I already revealed at least two instances of characters that were intended to be ambiguously gay in Disney works. And they were positive characters, Cupid and the Reluctant Dragon. And actually Jaq and Gus in Cinderella actually did have a gay hinting. But more importantly than that, a book my one friend read revealed that Walt Disney did not have a problem with homosexuality when it was brought up by Tommy Kirk. He fired Tommy Kirk for bad behavior and picking up and having a relationship with
a minor. I also heard someone say a relative of Walt Disney's say the same thing, he was okay with homosexuality when it was brought up by Kirk, but he fired him for different reasons.
It is for all these reasons that homosexual characters shown very positively in Disney films seems alright with Walt and the Disney way.
The_IceFlash, first, Disney has always had messages in their films alongside their entertainment. The biggest example of use here is Dumbo. In Dumbo, the film teaches tolerance of anything that is different. But Dumbo, the elephant some people didn't think was okay, was central to his film and got to have his own story and happy ending. The same should be able to be done for gays if they so choose to.
The Princess and the Frog did not have an agenda or anything wrong about it's portrayal of blacks in the actual film. the closest thing is the song "Dig a Little Deeper" where they say "it doesn't matter what you look like", which was totally appropriate for them being frogs as well. I know lots of black people who love the movie. If a Disney movie featuring the first gay prince or princess turned out like that, I would be extremely happy, even if the film wasn't that good (which I didn't think The Princess and the Frog was that good, but still good
enough).
Finally, I noticed this is the second time you seem anti-gay, just like in the thread about Pixar's video on gay-bullying, where you said you thought the video should be about all bullying, when the video was in response to a lot of gay bullying that was happening, so it was made for gay people to feel better. I guess you don't want any gay kids to feel better. Because gay kids would feel a lot better seeing characters like themselves have a happy ending in a movie instead of just hearing that everyone should be tolerant.
Read everything else I said in this post for other details, because it covers other things you said.
Disney'sDivinity, you're my new hero. I want to especially note your great pointing out of the messages other Disney movies have that would allow a message of tolerance for gays in their films to be done like that.
Save us! 
That's so wrong.