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Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:59 am

Lavendergolden wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:48 pm
Lol did you really go there?

It was a clear joke

I know lol. I guess online it isn't clear that my own tone is joking although the "lol" should have been a hint.

Do you think they'll keep this scene in the remake?

https://youtu.be/C5s2UxuFEdQ?si=F0qEurq-Tsxx3pVk

Farerb wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:20 am Do you think they'll keep this scene in the remake?

https://youtu.be/C5s2UxuFEdQ?si=F0qEurq-Tsxx3pVk

I don't think so... Disney tries to avoid promoting any specific religion in the newer movies.

Even on Disney Channel they changed the phrase “Merry Christmas” to “Happy Holidays” a few years ago.

bruno_wbt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:44 am

Farerb wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:20 am Do you think they'll keep this scene in the remake?

https://youtu.be/C5s2UxuFEdQ?si=F0qEurq-Tsxx3pVk

I don't think so... Disney tries to avoid promoting any specific religion in the newer movies.

Even on Disney Channel they changed the phrase “Merry Christmas” to “Happy Holidays” a few years ago.

They only do it with christians. In Hannukah they release merchandise about it and in Ramadan they use to share a Pic on their social media too. It seems that only the Christian religion is offensive…

Don't forget that even in the 60s, Walt didn't want to use religious imagery for the wedding of Roger and Anita. So if religious imagery was looked down on the 60s, you can better believe it won't be allowed in 2025.

It's another reason why Snow White and Esmeralda stand out as the only princesses we see praying. Oh and Jenny from The Rescuers.

Lavendergolden wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:43 pm Don't forget that even in the 60s, Walt didn't want to use religious imagery for the wedding of Roger and Anita. So if religious imagery was looked down on the 60s, you can better believe it won't be allowed in 2025.

It's another reason why Snow White and Esmeralda stand out as the only princesses we see praying. Oh and Jenny from The Rescuers.

The other day watching Sleeping Beauty I saw that when Aurora enters into her castle's room there is a statue that could be a representation of Virgin Mary. It could be possible because this kind of esculptures where common in the historical age when the movie takes place

Sotiris wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:00 am New still:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertai ... 434978007/

Well, I like it. Despite how Snow White herself looks almost like a dwarf compared to the Queen, lol

Vlad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 3:06 am Someone on Facebook made this beautiful fan art of Gal Gadot as the Queen.


She's so beautiful, she'll be the star of the movie. It's interesting, because the artist chose the same frame as the Beauty and the Beast character posters.

Agreed. It almost looks professional and not fan art-like at all.

Thumper_93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:22 am

Lavendergolden wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:43 pm Don't forget that even in the 60s, Walt didn't want to use religious imagery for the wedding of Roger and Anita. So if religious imagery was looked down on the 60s, you can better believe it won't be allowed in 2025.

It's another reason why Snow White and Esmeralda stand out as the only princesses we see praying. Oh and Jenny from The Rescuers.

The other day watching Sleeping Beauty I saw that when Aurora enters into her castle's room there is a statue that could be a representation of Virgin Mary. It could be possible because this kind of esculptures where common in the historical age when the movie takes place

Could you post a pic? I am looking at that scene but don't see any statue. Is it in one of the ones below?
https://i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/195 ... .jpg?ssl=1
https://i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/195 ... .jpg?ssl=1

Lavendergolden wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:22 am

Thumper_93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:22 am
The other day watching Sleeping Beauty I saw that when Aurora enters into her castle's room there is a statue that could be a representation of Virgin Mary. It could be possible because this kind of esculptures where common in the historical age when the movie takes place

Could you post a pic? I am looking at that scene but don't see any statue. Is it in one of the ones below?
https://i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/195 ... .jpg?ssl=1
https://i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/195 ... .jpg?ssl=1

https://i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/195 ... .jpg?ssl=1

Thumper_93 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:55 pm

Lavendergolden wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:22 am
Could you post a pic? I am looking at that scene but don't see any statue. Is it in one of the ones below?
https://i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/195 ... .jpg?ssl=1
https://i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/195 ... .jpg?ssl=1

https://i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/195 ... .jpg?ssl=1

Thank you! Yes that does look like the Virgin Mary. Sleeping Beauty is 14th century according to Prince Phillip so most likely Aurora would be Catholic. Like Snow White and Esmeralda, the three European medieval DPs. Most French villagers would be Catholic as well so I can see Belle being one, unless she was considered too enlightened like the Age of Reason thinkers in her era and was an atheist. But I personally don't see her as being an atheist, even if it would explain another reason why she doesn't fit in with the rest of her village. Cinderella is French so she'd be Catholic I think.

Encanto was Catholic coded, they didn't explicitly said it but in Aladdin the only religious line is about fasting in Ramadan so...

Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:18 am Encanto was Catholic coded, they didn't explicitly said it but in Aladdin the only religious line is about fasting in Ramadan so...

In Aladdin the Sultan also says, "Praise Allah."

Disney Duster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:00 am

Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:18 am Encanto was Catholic coded, they didn't explicitly said it but in Aladdin the only religious line is about fasting in Ramadan so...

In Aladdin the Sultan also says, "Praise Allah."

Didn't remembered that thanks

As a note Allah simply means god in arabic, it's used for any religious person that speaks arabic

Arab christians also say "Allah Akbar'

Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:18 am Encanto was Catholic coded, they didn't explicitly said it but in Aladdin the only religious line is about fasting in Ramadan so...

I don't remember any lines about fasting for Ramadan in Aladdin.

Disney Duster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:00 am

Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:18 am Encanto was Catholic coded, they didn't explicitly said it but in Aladdin the only religious line is about fasting in Ramadan so...

In Aladdin the Sultan also says, "Praise Allah."

I noticed that the remake never said that even though the Sultan in the original says Allah a lot. It shows how politically afraid Disney is now.

Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:18 am

Disney Duster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:00 am
In Aladdin the Sultan also says, "Praise Allah."

Didn't remembered that thanks

As a note Allah simply means god in arabic, it's used for any religious person that speaks arabic

Arab christians also say "Allah Akbar'

This feels almost Islamophobic in nature, even if you do not quite mean that. Yes, it's true that Allah means God in Arabic so non-Muslim Arabs also use this term as I know some Syrian and Lebanese Christians. But in Aladdin, it's being used because it's an Islamic kingdom and very clearly so. There's nothing even remotely Christian about Agrabah or the film in general. Also Aladdin is set in 850 AD in Baghdad, which was after the advent of Islam and during the Golden Age of Islam when the Arabian Nights stories were compiled. Most fantasy Arabian stories are set in Bagdad during this time, Aladdin just being the latest. So it's very clearly based on Islamic culture and the religion. Bagdad or any major kingdom during this setting's era would not be Christian. Also Aladdin takes heavily from Mughal culture and Ottoman culture, both which were also Muslim dynasties and empires.

Allah Akbar means God is great.

I was just explaining that the concept of saying Allah is not explicitly Islamic since the Arabic language predates Islam by many many centuries

Some people mix both together

And in the spanish dub (I assumed it was the same in english) Aladdin sings about fasting in Ramadan

It's something very specific that I didn't knew it was just the spanish dub

Another merchandise illustration.


Source: https://x.com/brancadenevebra/status/18 ... 5918767290

Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:16 am I was just explaining that the concept of saying Allah is not explicitly Islamic since the Arabic language predates Islam by many many centuries

Some people mix both together

And in the spanish dub (I assumed it was the same in english) Aladdin sings about fasting in Ramadan

It's something very specific that I didn't knew it was just the spanish dub

And that's fine and true but sometimes it can be used to deny the religious elements in Aladdin as well which is why I'm wary of such talk. It should also be known that in pre-Islamic Arabia, the term "ilah" was the word for god, specifically the pagan deities if you were referring to one as singular. "Allah" is the name for the monotheistic God.

Interesting, I didn't know the Spanish dub is different. That's not the case in the regular Aladdin. Maybe the Spanish dub includes such a reference because Spain has more familiarity with Islamic culture so that reference can make sense to audiences. What song does Aladdin sing about fasting? And does this mean you don't watch the Disney movies in English?

Lavendergolden wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:51 pm

Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:16 am I was just explaining that the concept of saying Allah is not explicitly Islamic since the Arabic language predates Islam by many many centuries

Some people mix both together

And in the spanish dub (I assumed it was the same in english) Aladdin sings about fasting in Ramadan

It's something very specific that I didn't knew it was just the spanish dub

And that's fine and true but sometimes it can be used to deny the religious elements in Aladdin as well which is why I'm wary of such talk. It should also be known that in pre-Islamic Arabia, the term "ilah" was the word for god, specifically the pagan deities if you were referring to one as singular. "Allah" is the name for the monotheistic God.

Interesting, I didn't know the Spanish dub is different. That's not the case in the regular Aladdin. Maybe the Spanish dub includes such a reference because Spain has more familiarity with Islamic culture so that reference can make sense to audiences. What song does Aladdin sing about fasting? And does this mean you don't watch the Disney movies in English?

He sings that in One jump ahead.

Lavendergolden wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:51 pm

Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:16 am I was just explaining that the concept of saying Allah is not explicitly Islamic since the Arabic language predates Islam by many many centuries

Some people mix both together

And in the spanish dub (I assumed it was the same in english) Aladdin sings about fasting in Ramadan

It's something very specific that I didn't knew it was just the spanish dub

And that's fine and true but sometimes it can be used to deny the religious elements in Aladdin as well which is why I'm wary of such talk. It should also be known that in pre-Islamic Arabia, the term "ilah" was the word for god, specifically the pagan deities if you were referring to one as singular. "Allah" is the name for the monotheistic God.

Interesting, I didn't know the Spanish dub is different. That's not the case in the regular Aladdin. Maybe the Spanish dub includes such a reference because Spain has more familiarity with Islamic culture so that reference can make sense to audiences. What song does Aladdin sing about fasting? And does this mean you don't watch the Disney movies in English?

I guess you're right, spain is much more familiar with islam than the USA is

Most arab diaspora in the USA is christian (specially lebanese) so I guess the US general audience wouldn't get the fasting reference in the 90s?

Thumper_93 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:14 am

Lavendergolden wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:51 pm

And that's fine and true but sometimes it can be used to deny the religious elements in Aladdin as well which is why I'm wary of such talk. It should also be known that in pre-Islamic Arabia, the term "ilah" was the word for god, specifically the pagan deities if you were referring to one as singular. "Allah" is the name for the monotheistic God.

Interesting, I didn't know the Spanish dub is different. That's not the case in the regular Aladdin. Maybe the Spanish dub includes such a reference because Spain has more familiarity with Islamic culture so that reference can make sense to audiences. What song does Aladdin sing about fasting? And does this mean you don't watch the Disney movies in English?

He sings that in One jump ahead.

Very interesting. It makes me wonder what other things are drastically different in all the dubs of Disney movies.