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estefan wrote:Moving on, is anybody else like me pleased with Randy Newman's win? I mean, I was supporting "I See the Light", but "We Belong Together" is a song I love just as much and listen to just as often.

I'm definitely pleased for him. For me, he's as synonomous with the Toy Story series as any of the voice actors. Agreed, he's not the greatest singer in the world but I think the songs he wrote for the TS trilogy were all brilliant and have helped to make the films as memorable as they are, especially "You've Got A Friend In Me".

Seriously...


Anyways, Toy Story 3 winning isn't a surprise. At least, it shouldn't be. Toy Story 3 and HTTYD were both submitted for Best Picture and Best Animated Feature. Toy Story 3 got the nomination in that category, HTTYD didn't. That's basically winning by default. Obviously if voters thought HTTYD was the better film they'd have voted it in the Best Picture category.

Of course the dumb Dutch feed for the Oscars (seriously who is in charge of that crap) had some problems with picking up the microphones of the people singing, tho Gwyneth came through (her voice makes Baby Jesus cry, for those interested). So I could hardly hear their voices over the instruments. But aside from that, I'm happy that Randy Newman finally won something, he's been nominated like twenty times, with this being only his second win. Those are some awful odds.

Well, here's the whole deal for me. While I am happy that Randy FINALLY won another award after so many damn nominations, I'm not all pleased that he won for We Belong Together, when he clearly should have won LAST YEAR for his contribution on The Princess and the Frog!

DisneyJedi wrote:Of course, when my sister asked me for a reason, I snapped at her, saying that 'Randy Newman didn't deserve the Oscar' before I left and slammed the front door behind me.

I'm sorry DisneyJedi, but that was really funny

Sotiris wrote:

DisneyJedi wrote:Of course, when my sister asked me for a reason, I snapped at her, saying that 'Randy Newman didn't deserve the Oscar' before I left and slammed the front door behind me.

I'm sorry DisneyJedi, but that was really funny

What, the me shouting part or the part where I slammed the door behind me?

DisneyJedi wrote:What, the me shouting part or the part where I slammed the door behind me?

Both. When you visualize it, it's a very comical scene.

I mentioned this in the Oscar thread, but might as well say it here.

My issue with Randy's win is NOT because he won, period, or though the song was bad. The issue is the fact that this was his 20th nomination, and I feel they gave him the award just so they could say that he won something on a noteworthy nomination, sorta like when they gave the award to Heath Ledger for the Joker.

Also, I feel the song was sorta like an afterthought in the movie. Yes, it does play during the end credits which shows a great portion of the story, but it doesn't have a role within the movie nor did it spread onto the subconscious of pop culture.

I think that's why I wanted the win for "I see the light" because it defines the whole movie and represents the story better than Newman's song did.

pap64 wrote: My issue with Randy's win is NOT because he won, period, or though the song was bad. The issue is the fact that this was his 20th nomination, and I feel they gave him the award just so they could say that he won something on a noteworthy nomination, sorta like when they gave the award to Heath Ledger for the Joker.

Aw, I actually thought Ledger deserved it that year. Any other time, posthumous awards feel like pity votes, but I actually agreed with that.

But, yeah, I think songs that roll over credits tend to be after-thoughts. Not that they are necessarily any worse than if they'd been in the movie, but it's just something that plays as people walk out of the theater or turn off the DVD/Blu-Ray.

Plus, that gets me thinking why the title is "We Belong Together" when the toys learn that they have to move on from Andy?

Disney's Divinity wrote:Plus, that gets me thinking why the title is "We Belong Together" when the toys learn that they have to move on from Andy?

The toys belong together, silly. That's why Woody went with them instead of staying with Andy.

Disney's Divinity wrote:[But, yeah, I think songs that roll over credits tend to be after-thoughts. Not that they are necessarily any worse than if they'd been in the movie, but it's just something that plays as people walk out of the theater or turn off the DVD/Blu-Ray.

Plus, that gets me thinking why the title is "We Belong Together" when the toys learn that they have to move on from Andy?

Agreed on the roll over credit songs.

Everytime I see the title "We Belong Together" I can't help but think of "We Go Together" from Grease and it doesn't leave my head for a good hour -_-

I do think though it's less of a reference to staying with Andy and more of staying together as a group instead of splitting up.

Oh, yeah. I get confused, because most of the film focuses on their relationship with Andy, that I almost forget about their relationships with one another.

Personally, part of me's kind of sad that there might not be another TS film in the future. I liked a lot of the new characters they introduced, and would've liked to have seen more of them. I was reading that Toons thread the other day--are there supposed to be shorts of them in the future or something?

Chernabog_Rocks wrote:Everytime I see the title "We Belong Together" I can't help but think of "We Go Together" from Grease and it doesn't leave my head for a good hour -_-

I think of Mariah Carey's song of the same name.

Sotiris wrote:

Chernabog_Rocks wrote:Everytime I see the title "We Belong Together" I can't help but think of "We Go Together" from Grease and it doesn't leave my head for a good hour -_-

I think of Mariah Carey's song of the same name.

A waaay better song than Randy Newman's forgettable fluffy song btw;D And as a bonus, Mariah Carey can actually sing.

Congrats to Toy Story for the award for best animated movie though!

Disney's Divinity wrote:You can't? Because to me they were on a downward trend 'til TS3.

Almost every critic in the world & the general audience > you

Disney's Divinity wrote:

I also just noticed that this is the first time in nine years that Best Original Song went to an animated film. The last time? Also Randy Newman, this time for "If I Didn't Have You" from Monsters, Inc.

And they're both from a Pixar film. Hmm...I wonder what that could mean.

Yeah... what COULD that mean?! There must be a giant conspiracy behind this! Hmmm... let's ask Glenn Beck if he can explain it to us using his blackboard!

Disney's Divinity wrote:Versus "We Belong Together," which clearly only won because it was featured in TS3. They could've played a Kei$ha song in TS3 and it would've won.

But don't dare to suggest that Disney's Divinity has a rabiate anti-Pixar bias... Noooooooo!

Goliath wrote:

Disney's Divinity wrote:You can't? Because to me they were on a downward trend 'til TS3.

Almost every critic in the world & the general audience > you

You're right--you can only have an opinion if it conforms with what's popular. But you've never been the type to support differences in opinion.

I'm only annoyed that people are making the atmosphere oppressive to anyone who might not be crazy about certain Pixar films (Finding Nemo through WALL E for me), with phrases like "you can't," "there's no denying," etc.

I've never used those kind of phrases to describe any Disney film (or Walt Disney) because everything should be open to question/disagreement. No film/company/individual should be treated like a god. And you should know well enough that I'm not what you've described in other threads as "someone who appreciates Disney above all substance"--especially since you've seen there are many things Disney I don't like.

But don't dare to suggest that Disney's Divinity has a rabiate anti-Pixar bias... Noooooooo!

Again turning Newman-hate into Pixar-hate. Because I don't like Newman, I must not like Pixar, and vice versa. But I guess it's all the same to a fanboy.

Prince Edward wrote:

Sotiris wrote: I think of Mariah Carey's song of the same name.

A waaay better song than Randy Newman's forgettable song btw; and as a bonus, Mariah Carey can actually sing.

True

Disney's Divinity wrote:

pap64 wrote: My issue with Randy's win is NOT because he won, period, or though the song was bad. The issue is the fact that this was his 20th nomination, and I feel they gave him the award just so they could say that he won something on a noteworthy nomination, sorta like when they gave the award to Heath Ledger for the Joker.

Aw, I actually thought Ledger deserved it that year. Any other time, posthumous awards feel like pity votes, but I actually agreed with that.

Don't get me wrong, I too thought Ledger deserved the win. But what I mean is that there are some Oscar wins that feel like they did it because they are damned if they don't, damned if they did.

Technically, this applies to all the categories, but there are some occasions in which they are forced to make a choice, like when Halley Berry was nominated for Monster's Ball. She was the first black actress to be nominated for best actress. Had they given it to Nicole Kidman or someone else, they would have been accused of being racist.

Ledger's performance became more haunting when you realized it was his last. Had the Academy not given the award to him, people would have complained about it.

Back to Newman. He has been nominated a record 20 times, and he has only won only ONE time. With this being his 20th I feel the Academy was pressured into giving him the award because they never gave him a break. I mean, do you still remember the closing song to Monster's Inc., the song he wrote for the movie? That was because everyone had mentioned prior to the show that he had more records in nominations than Susan Lucci, so they gave him the award so they could say 'AND THIS IS RANDY'S FIRST WIN!'

See what I mean? That bothers me more than the fact that the song won.

During his acceptance speech, Newman joked regarding his ratio of nominations to wins, noting ‘my percentages aren’t great. I’ve been nominated 20 times and this is the 2nd time I won. At the Academy, at the lunch they have for the nominees, where they have like a Randy Newman chicken by this time…’

Backstage, Newman remained humbled and surprisingly candid as he addressed the press regarding his win and his career in general.

‘This is really very nice, you know. I didn’t totally expect it. You know, last year, I was nominated for a couple of songs from Princess and the Frog, but I knew it wouldn’t win. I knew the country thing wouldn’t win. This time, I thought I might. It didn’t help me prepare anything to say, but it was very nice, as it always is, when people want to give you something.’

Newman also confessed that he didn’t necessarily feel that the award-winning song was one of the best examples of his work, stating ‘this isn’t the most consequential thing I’ve ever done for a movie by a long shot. You know, I remember I thought the score of A Bug’s Life really helped. Toy Story 2 also. The Natural.’

Source: http://www.stitchkingdom.com/disney-new ... my-awards/

Disney'sDivinity wrote:I'm only annoyed that people are making the atmosphere oppressive to anyone who might not be crazy about certain Pixar films (Finding Nemo through WALL E for me), with phrases like "you can't," "there's no denying," etc.

To me, if you don't like Pixar or some of their films then that's fine. My only slight problem is that some people seem to think that there's some heinous conspiracy behind their success and are childish enough to say that they hope Randy Newman gets hit by a bus and that John Lasseter caused Roy Disney's cancer. I know that none of this applies to you but I think there's been a complete overreaction of some to the Oscars and the oppressive atmosphere you speak of has been caused by some people not thinking logically before they post stupid and immature remarks.

Goliath wrote:

Disney's Divinity wrote:You can't? Because to me they were on a downward trend 'til TS3.

Almost every critic in the world & the general audience > you

Goliath, comments like these border on the edge of personal attacks. Debate away but keep in mind that there isn't going to be one right answer and nobody's going to change your mind, so please just keep it from getting mean. Please?