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there goes my support for the film. as a kiwi im sick of the overuse of the haka. used to be only at the start of rugby games, but now its put on for anything and everything. lost much of it "specialness" however, its inclusion means all the people that like this stuff will be there in droves, i predict every baby girl born to certain families will be called moana, and the boys will be maui.
there are other traditions in the pacific than the haka.

I'm getting sick and freakin tired of every aspect of every Disney title being torn apart and criticized. I mean, first they aren't culturally diverse, then they do include different cultures and are accused of focusing on stereotypes, or commercializing culture. It's never good enough. Grow the F up and get over it. If you don't like a certain movie, nobody is forcing you to watch it or follow these boards. In my opinion political correctness and major creative companies being forced to follow focus groups and the voice of the people (usually the people who complain, because those who don't care don't speak up) leads to creative poverty and bland products. People seriously need to just chill and not nitpick every single aspect apart or be so hyper senstive about EVERYTHING!

*rant over*

robster16 wrote:In my opinion political correctness and major creative companies being forced to follow focus groups and the voice of the people (usually the people who complain, because those who don't care don't speak up) leads to creative poverty and bland products.

We'll be getting bland products whether or not they are politically correct.

Sotiris wrote:The movie will include haka.

While they're certainly not keen to give too much away, I did manage to extract one juicy tidbit: we may well see a haka in Moana. "How like with the All Black team and All Blacks and how they do their haka and how important that is in terms of facing opponents down, we kind of have some aspects of that" said Ron Clements.

Source: http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/story/di ... z3pFxzWADC

Yeah, wasn't Maui's haka/war cry shown at the Expo?

robster16 wrote:I'm getting sick and freakin tired of every aspect of every Disney title being torn apart and criticized. I mean, first they aren't culturally diverse, then they do include different cultures and are accused of focusing on stereotypes, or commercializing culture. It's never good enough. Grow the F up and get over it. If you don't like a certain movie, nobody is forcing you to watch it or follow these boards. In my opinion political correctness and major creative companies being forced to follow focus groups and the voice of the people (usually the people who complain, because those who don't care don't speak up) leads to creative poverty and bland products. People seriously need to just chill and not nitpick every single aspect apart or be so hyper senstive about EVERYTHING!

*rant over*

Sotiris wrote:The movie will include haka.

While they're certainly not keen to give too much away, I did manage to extract one juicy tidbit: we may well see a haka in Moana. "How like with the All Black team and All Blacks and how they do their haka and how important that is in terms of facing opponents down, we kind of have some aspects of that" said Ron Clements.

Source: http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/story/di ... z3pFxzWADC

Yeah, wasn't Maui's haka/war cry shown at the Expo?

robster16 wrote:I'm getting sick and freakin tired of every aspect of every Disney title being torn apart and criticized. I mean, first they aren't culturally diverse, then they do include different cultures and are accused of focusing on stereotypes, or commercializing culture. It's never good enough. Grow the F up and get over it. If you don't like a certain movie, nobody is forcing you to watch it or follow these boards. In my opinion political correctness and major creative companies being forced to follow focus groups and the voice of the people (usually the people who complain, because those who don't care don't speak up) leads to creative poverty and bland products. People seriously need to just chill and not nitpick every single aspect apart or be so hyper senstive about EVERYTHING!

*rant over*

the haka is that chant they do were they grunt and widen their eyes and stick their tongues out right? Yeah I could see why theyd put it in there, Amerians find it weird & "exotic" and they probably think boys find it cool and badass... I really hope this Maui character doesn't end up too cringe worthy...

robster16 wrote:I'm getting sick and freakin tired of every aspect of every Disney title being torn apart and criticized. I mean, first they aren't culturally diverse, then they do include different cultures and are accused of focusing on stereotypes, or commercializing culture. It's never good enough. Grow the F up and get over it. If you don't like a certain movie, nobody is forcing you to watch it or follow these boards. In my opinion political correctness and major creative companies being forced to follow focus groups and the voice of the people (usually the people who complain, because those who don't care don't speak up) leads to creative poverty and bland products. People seriously need to just chill and not nitpick every single aspect apart or be so hyper senstive about EVERYTHING!

*rant over*

Welcome to this world. There will aways be complainers about anything. It's grating indeed, but that's how it is.

Isn't it probably because The Rock knows haka though?

So, since you're part Polynesian, I was wondering if you can do any of those Polynesian dances, like the hulu and the haka.

Growing up in Polynesian culture, you learn a multitude of dances. I used to live in New Zealand, and the haka was a tradition in our house. For every culture, there is a version of the dance in unison that people would do before battle, and the Polynesians have it. You have the juxtaposition between the warmth and beauty of Polynesian people, but if you cross us, we will rip your throat out. That is fascinating about our culture.

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ce ... -1.2475326

robster16 wrote:I'm getting sick and freakin tired of every aspect of every Disney title being torn apart and criticized. I mean, first they aren't culturally diverse, then they do include different cultures and are accused of focusing on stereotypes, or commercializing culture. It's never good enough. Grow the F up and get over it. If you don't like a certain movie, nobody is forcing you to watch it or follow these boards. In my opinion political correctness and major creative companies being forced to follow focus groups and the voice of the people (usually the people who complain, because those who don't care don't speak up) leads to creative poverty and bland products. People seriously need to just chill and not nitpick every single aspect apart or be so hyper senstive about EVERYTHING!

*rant over*

AMEN!!!

You know, guys, if you want to write something positive--nobody's going to stop you. "Be the change you want to see," and all that.

Btw, these boards are about more than just Disney's most recent product. It's a hodge-podge of things, and that's why you'll get a wide variety of people who like some things and hate others about Disney.

Moana is unusual in that she is a skilled female navigator. Traditionally the best navigators have been males. Why? Because it requires balls to be good.

For those interested:

https://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/friends/Tech ... ceania.pdf

The Soft, Warm, Wet Technology of Native Oceania

A man’s testicles might not seem like something to be used for navigation, but they were and are in native Oceania.

If you can read the shape of a swell you can tell the direction and strength of the current beneath it, and this is critical because if you don’t know what the current is doing you can steer a perfect course and still get lost. The wayfinder reads the swell by sitting cross-legged and nearly naked on the bottom of his all-vegetable-matter canoe and feeling it in his testicles.

Wayfinders are ignorant of our yardsticks and categories. They wear no Euclidean filters on their perceptions and they understand that “the sea is full of signs.” Sensitive to these signs, the Hawaiians developed 160 words for different kinds of wind and 138 words for different kinds of rain.

Unfortunately, this still doesn’t tell us how the wayfinder integrates his inputs because nobody but the wayfinder knows. However, there’s hope of our knowing if we remember that the stars are no more distant from the wayfinder than his testicles.

What in the world....

I think this is my cue to avoid the Moana thread until the movie comes out. I cannot stomach a full year of this nonsense...

Other potential things that may get discussed between now and this time next year:
-Is Moana Disney's first lesbian princess?
-Men are pigs
-Women are pigs
-Men are Moana's pet pigs
-Why the volcano's lava doesn't look realistic enough
-Disney makes too many films with volcanoes in them
-Disney doesn't make enough films with volcanoes in them
-Will there be a rugby match in the film?
-Will there be hula music in the film?
-There should be hula music in the film
-There shouldn't be hula music in the film
-Moana would be better if she were a boy
-Disney should do a Moana Christmas special
-Disney should not do a Moana Christmas special
-Disney is racist, and this film will be very racist
-What would it have been like if Moana had come out on VHS?
-A Foucauldian analysis of Moana merchandise
-Moana clearly suffers from bipolar disorder

PatrickvD wrote:


I think this is my cue to avoid the Moana thread until the movie comes out. I cannot stomach a full year of this nonsense...

Unfortunately, it'll only get worse after the movie is released.

Wonderlicious wrote:Other potential things that may get discussed between now and this time next year:
-Is Moana Disney's first lesbian princess?
-Men are pigs
-Women are pigs
-Men are Moana's pet pigs
-Why the volcano's lava doesn't look realistic enough
-Disney makes too many films with volcanoes in them
-Disney doesn't make enough films with volcanoes in them
-Will there be a rugby match in the film?
-Will there be hula music in the film?
-There should be hula music in the film
-There shouldn't be hula music in the film
-Moana would be better if she were a boy
-Disney should do a Moana Christmas special
-Disney should not do a Moana Christmas special
-Disney is racist, and this film will be very racist
-What would it have been like if Moana had come out on VHS?
-A Foucauldian analysis of Moana merchandise
-Moana clearly suffers from bipolar disorder

Pardon my juvenile expression, but I can't resist to say this; LOL!

Other contenders; Moana is too thick/isn't thick enough.
- One Direction should've been the protagonists of this movie instead of "Moana".
- Moana should've visited Arendelle, Corona and Agrabah.
- Moana should've been a lawyer.
- Pixar should've made this movie instead of "Moana"/this movie is a sign of that Pixar makes better movies than Disney, though Disney destroyed Pixar.
- The "Games of Thrones"-characters should've made a cameo.
- Moana should've have an iPod.
- Moana should've gone to the mall with Taylor Swift and Ariel.
- Moana doesn't take enough breaks to relax.
- Moana should've sung "When You Wish Upon A Star" on American Idol with Michael Stipe.
- Moana seems too perfect.
- Moana's hair is too curly/isn't curly enough.
- Her eyes aren't big/too big
- Moana should've looked like Shan-Yu.
- Moana should've learn to fly (litterally).
- Moana should've be deformed.
- Moana should've her feet on top of her head.
- Moana should've eyes on the back of her head.
- Disney can't animate humans realisitic enough/Disney makes humans look like the Uncanny Valley.
- Moana should've had a love interest.
- Moana should've had a mother.
- Moana should've (personality-wise) be exactly like Pocahontas, Jasmine or Mulan.
- Moana isn't quirky enough as Lilo.
- Moana doesn't look like Nani.
- Moana is too young/old.
- Moana should've had a Genie-like sidekick.
- Moana should've been voiced by Tyra Banks (or any celebrity, for that matter).
- Moana should've lived in 2016.
- Moana can't dance.
- Moana should have sex, smoke and do drugs.
- The villain should have a "Hellfire"-like sequence about Moana.
- Moana should've been the Polynesian version of Elsa.
- Moana should've been nasty and mean.
- Moana should've been born in 1985.

I know this is just shallow filler/nonsense, but I couldn't resist.

Andrew Millstein, the president of WDAS, talks about Moana.

Q: One of the films people most responded to at D23 was Moana. What makes that film so special?

Andrew Millstein: I’m excited about that. Every film is different, and I’m excited about that for a lot of different reasons. When you go back to all of the different elements for that particular story, the fact that it’s set in a pre-historical context and it’s inspired by these great stories in Oceania, you have to figure out how to make that incredibly relevant. We’re creating songs for the story, and we have tremendous talent. It’s stunningly beautiful. It’s a place that you want to be. You want to immerse yourself in that environment, in that water, on those islands. There’s just going to be a lot of magic to the film, literally and figuratively. You can feel it. There’s great talent connected to it, with the voice talent, the musical talent, the writing talent, and the directing talent. It’s an exciting project. It’s emotional.

Source: http://collider.com/animated-tron-movie ... interview/

I'm keeping my fingers crossed I love this movie--I'll try to go into the theater with the same "no expectations" mindset as TP&TF--but I hope it's huge even if I don't.

Disney's Divinity wrote:I'm keeping my fingers crossed I love this movie--I'll try to go into the theater with the same "no expectations" mindset as TP&TF--but I hope it's huge even if I don't.

To be honest, I've would've love if this movie turned out to be great. Despite this Revival era's reputation, I never thought that these Princess films (yes, I dare to use the term) were truly great. Perhaps I'm comparing them too much to former Disney, but at least then Disney could make a great movie (which is a reason why Disney were cherised to begin with). "TP&TF" was fun and at least a hand drawn throwback, but not an unforgettable masterpiece. Despite that "Tangled" had it's moments, it felt just okay. Same with "Frozen". The only Princess movie that was close to greatness was "Brave", which absolutely felt truly great at it's best, yet it was hampered by flaws that I've mentioned a thousand times.

I had my problems with both "Tangled" and "Frozen" and I've ranted enough about "Frozen", but "Tangled" suffered from a similar problem; Too dramatically uneven. Heck, the truly best of the Revival movies were "Wreck-It-Ralph" and that isn't even seen as Disneyesque enough (not that it should really matter though). It's also funny that I consider "Frozen Fever" to be far superior to "Frozen" and that "Frozen" even surpassed all of Disney's films, when it doesn't even deserve to be in the greatest Disney list (at least for me, of course).

Despite that "Moana" is going to have the same components, I really hope that it could turn out to be something truly special. I'm glad at least Mark Mancina is the composer, at least he can deliver a better score than the awfully generic one for "Frozen". And let's hope this film will have some magic and just not the so-called Lasseter formula.

Alan Tudyk is officially in Moana!

And we were like, what’s Alan going to play? And I know that on Moana, they’re talking about, ‘Well, what’s Alan’s part going to be?' ... You couldn’t ask for a better kind of good luck charm actor.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Walt-Dis ... 97347.html