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wait is there suppose to be some extra clip scene after the credits end? I'm hearing about this elswhere. I didn't stay after the credits. if there is a scene, what was it?

Super Aurora wrote:wait is there suppose to be some extra clip scene after the credits end? I'm hearing about this elswhere. I didn't stay after the credits. if there is a scene, what was it?

Dammit. I didn't stay either... Here's what I found:

We see Elsa’s Snow Monster walking through the ice castle. He finds Elsa’s queen tiara and puts it on. We also see a disclaimer at the end that says Kristoff’s views regarding men eating boogers are his own and not necessarily those of Disney.

(http://aftercredits.com/2013/11/frozen-2013/)

Bah, I didn't stay either, I'm not used to Disney doing post credits scenes. Have they ever done it before?

I've just come back from my second screening.

I like it even better the second time around. Somebody complained a few pages back that the songs seemed to have been crammed up in the first half and followed each other by mere minutes. I had the same complaint for my first screening. Maybe it was because I had the songs memorized before I saw the movie. I actually predicted when a song was gonna come up. This time, the songs seemed to have been more evenly distanced although the lack of any song or reprises towards the end was still a bit glaring.

Also, for the second time, yes, I saw Hans glanced briefly upward before preventing the soldier from shooting Elsa.

What was surprising was that when I went to buy my ticket in both screenings, the movie house was full. Even my family who had to see it somewhere else (I live in a university) told me that their screening was also full and that they had to sit apart. Even notable was that there were a couple of grown-ups who saw the movie and they had no kids with them. Kinda reminded me of some stories of those who were old enough to witness the phenomenon that a Disney Renaissance movie was back in the 90s whereby adults would go to screenings of Beauty and the Beast or The Lion King without any children with them because they did not need to have an excuse to see a Disney film. I'm really hoping that we are entering another era. Do we have an official name for it? haha

When Rapunzel came down her tower and started singing, "Just smell the grass the dirt, juts like I dreamed they'd be," I wanted to say, "Welcome back, Disney!" After the Let it Go sequence, all I want to say is that thank goodness the resurgence which started a couple of animated films back is not a fluke. Disney, it's comforting to see that you are actually starting to regain your confidence.

So here's what happens:

The sisters' parents leave on ship head out wherever. Sometime before leaving they had some mad sex again for third time. During the ship journey, the mother birth a baby boy. Unfortunately for them as they journey out into the sea, King Triton see a human ship and gets MAD. He unleash a storm thus that crushed the ship BUT luckily The parent's survived the storm and ended up in Africa. Elsa and Anna thought they died from storm not knowing they're actually in Africa. Meanwhile in Africa, the parents stick together to make a house in order to survive. But then a demonic leopard was fucking hungry and killed the two.

When Anna and Elsa held the coronation party they invite Rapunzal and Flynn over as one of the guest. Prince Eric of Southern Isles in Mediterranean was actually invited But he had things to attend so he sent his youngest brother to the coronation instead.

So what can we conclude?


That the world of TARZAN, The Little Mermaid, Tangled and Frozen are ALL IN THE SAME UNIVERSE!!!!! MANY MINDS EXPLODES!!

ProfessorRatigan wrote:So, I just got back from the theater. I felt I'd add to the discussion and voice my thoughts. First off, I want to see the film again. I was NOT in a good mood during the first 30 minutes of the film... I went with my family, including my 12 year old brother. He sat next to me. I have to say, that my 8 year old brother acted more maturely! The 12 year old was sprawled out in his seat and the two next to him HORIZONTALLY, swinging his leg back and forth and LEANING over to the cup holder to drink with his mouth, causing loud noises every time instead of picking up his cup like a normal human being... The people in front of him kept turning around and looking. It was an embarrassment. Plus, the constant swinging of his leg caused the blue stair safety lights (we were in the top-most row of the theater) to appear to be 'flashing' (his leg blocking it out every few seconds) so, that's ALL I could see out of the corner of my eye the entire time. I leaned over several times, saying, "Will you sit up and ACT RIGHT?" "Fuck you!" was the response I got. I was so furious. I just got up and sat completely AWAY from the rest of my family, because they weren't going to do anything about his behavior.

Geez, I don't even know your brother personally, but from what I'm reading, I'm under the impression that he's a fucking brat!

ProfessorRatigan wrote: The twist was stupid. And poorly handled. Does every film with John Lasseter attached to it have to pull a surprise villain out of nowhere? Seriously, how many times have PIXAR and Disney pulled this? Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc., Toy Story 3, Cars 2, Wreck-It Ralph, now Frozen!

Not EVERY Disney movie with Lasseter attached to it has a surprise villain. Mother Gothel was obviously a villain from the start in Tangled, as was Dr. Facilier in The Princess and the Frog. I saw no legit villain in Bolt either.

tomakpo wrote:The movie is not out yet in some countries. I already spoiled myself the movie, but some people didn't

This ^

We don't get this movie till Boxing Day ( Dec 26th )

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Count me in as another that dislikes the whole "Omg this new disney film is the next Beauty and Beast/Lion King!!!" especially when those critics later turn around and start badmouthing some of the films (PAAATF). Are they so ignorant to think Beast/Lion King are the only "good" disney films of the latest times? Do they think they'll bring in more audiences with that dumb premise?

Otoh, here's my countdown of the latest films. (Lasseter Era, as it's called around here)

1. Wreck it Ralph
2. Tie between Winnie the Pooh and Frozen
3. Princess and the Frog
4. Tangled


Poor Pooh bear is like the ugly redhaired stepchild of this era, nobody talks about it.

1. The Princess and the Frog - Partly 2D preference but I really love the characters, the setting, and the all around fun atmosphere the movie created.

2. Frozen - By far the best songs and best dramatic sequences. It could easily be my #1 but I want to see how I feel about it after some time passes.

3. Tangled - Whenever I see it again, I like it more than I thought I did. It's still overrated by the masses, but fun to watch. Gothel kind of saves it though, and for as much talk about how Frozen was Tangled on Ice...Frozen did it better...much better. I don't know how that will affect how I feel about Tangled on its own.

4. Wreck-It Ralph - Love the creativity and completely original concept but I'm not as excited about it as I once was. I don't know why exactly. The gags and poop humor kind of get stale and I wish more of the movie took place outside of Sugar Rush because the bright pink Candyland world can be quite obnoxious to look at. I still love it but that love has diminished a little bit over time. I like it about the same as Tangled so they're interchangeable depending on my mood.

5. Winnie the Pooh - very cute and entertaining but not something I watch over and over. I love Pooh, but I've seen hours and hours of him already so I wasn't that excited about it. I wish this was more successful though because all children need to grow up with these characters.


Five really strong releases in a row, especially when you look at the five before that - Bolt, Meet the Robinsons, Chicken Little, Home on the Range, and Brother Bear....are they really worth ranking? I like all five of the newest more than those by a large margin, but I think Brother Bear is a little underrated, though it could have been much better.

Kyle wrote:Bah, I didn't stay either, I'm not used to Disney doing post credits scenes. Have they ever done it before?

Winnie the Pooh has a pretty funny post credits scene. Wreck it Ralph doesn't have a scene, but there is a little 8-bit fun at the very end with the Disney logo.

At this point I stay until the end for every movie I watch. The whole point to post credit scenes is to get people to watch the credits and appreciate all the people and work it took to make it. That should be done regardless imo.

WOO HOO!

DOUG WALKER:

Well, everyone else is using it, so why not me? Sibling Rivalry on Frozen coming soon.

Doug Walker is pure shit though.

Lady Cluck: I def. agree that out of the previous 5, Brother Bear is probably the best one. The middle part of the movie is its weak spot, but the beginning and ending is pretty good. At least there's effort thrown in there, unlike Home on the Range or Chicken Little.

thedisneyspirit wrote:Doug Walker is pure shit though.

Ha, better than that chick from Beyond the Trailer. It was so CLEAR that she wasn't even trying to like Frozen. She hated it for the heck of hating it, even though she had good points.

Not really, since Doug Walker has very weird ideas when reviewing animated/Disney films. I remember for most of Disneycember/Dreamworks-uary his reasons for disliking a film were so insane, like The Road to El Dorado wasn't good because it had "pretty animation"...

Whatever the hell that means.

ProfessorRatigan wrote:Also: poor Winnie the Pooh. Nobody brings that one up in these comparison discussions!

It's not that I don't like the film, but I don't understand why compare a brief sequel with original films... I guess it's the same reason why The Rescuers Down Under never gets talked about when people are discussing the Disney Renaissance.

ProfessorRatigan wrote:If I had to stack Frozen against the recent Disney canon films... Well, to me, The Princess and the Frog had the best characters, Wreck-It Ralph had the best story, Frozen had the best music. I'm more about characters, so, I think Princess and the Frog still holds the top spot. Ralph is still probably my favorite CG Disney flick, Frozen comes next, then Tangled. But, again, I need to see it again when I'm in a better emotional place.

I rank my movies similarly--my interest is mostly in characters and music first. Since none of the movies have outstanding music, I rank them more by characters, and I still see TP&TF as the strongest in that regard. I believe Frozen had a stronger cast than Tangled, overall.

Of course, I think we also rank based on how the film resonates with us, which is random. TP&TF resonated strongly with me, but not with many people, apparently. Whereas Frozen, I appreciated as a good movie, but little resonance.

And I agree about TLK thing. In the next 10-20 years, they'll lose that promotional tool because TLK won't be as strong in the minds of the parents who are taking their children to the movies like it is for our generation.

Alphapanchito wrote:And Divinity, I totally agree. That scene made me like Anna more than i thought i would, when i thought the main event would be Elsa for me. It is also my favorite sequence by far, and i was definitely crying the second time i saw it.

I'm glad someone agrees. I think I wasn't here for Anna as I walked into the movie, just because of how obvious they tried to imitate Rapunzel (and Ariel) with her design and upbeat personality. Thankfully, she managed to be a decent character in her own right, so I actually like her for the most part.

Regarding Weselton and the twist: I'm really glad Hans turned out to be the real villain, because Weselton would've been really awful as a main villain. I didn't mind Weselton being in the movie myself; the bowing/dancing scene was hilarious.

Kyle wrote:Bah, I didn't stay either, I'm not used to Disney doing post credits scenes. Have they ever done it before?

Well, if I'm not going to count the live action films (because Heavyweights and every single one of the Pirates films had post credit sequences), there is one at the end of Hunchback where Hugo says "Good night everybody!", and Hercules where you hear Hades wondering why he doesn't get a happy ending. And a couple more for Fantasia/2000 ("Camera back on me!") and Brother Bear.

thedisneyspirit wrote:Not really, since Doug Walker has very weird ideas when reviewing animated/Disney films. I remember for most of Disneycember/Dreamworks-uary his reasons for disliking a film were so insane, like The Road to El Dorado wasn't good because it had "pretty animation"...

Whatever the hell that means.

I think his main issue was how the grandness of the animation didn't quite match the humor. And he didn't exactly dislike it. He just wasn't a big fan.

Disney's Divinity wrote:

ProfessorRatigan wrote:Also: poor Winnie the Pooh. Nobody brings that one up in these comparison discussions!

It's not that I don't like the film, but I don't understand why compare a brief sequel with original films... I guess it's the same reason why The Rescuers Down Under never gets talked about when people are discussing the Disney Renaissance.

ProfessorRatigan wrote:If I had to stack Frozen against the recent Disney canon films... Well, to me, The Princess and the Frog had the best characters, Wreck-It Ralph had the best story, Frozen had the best music. I'm more about characters, so, I think Princess and the Frog still holds the top spot. Ralph is still probably my favorite CG Disney flick, Frozen comes next, then Tangled. But, again, I need to see it again when I'm in a better emotional place.

I rank my movies similarly--my interest is mostly in characters and music first. Since none of the movies have outstanding music, I rank them more by characters, and I still see TP&TF as the strongest in that regard. I believe Frozen had a stronger cast than Tangled, overall.

Of course, I think we also rank based on how the film resonates with us, which is random. TP&TF resonated strongly with me, but not with many people, apparently. Whereas Frozen, I appreciated as a good movie, but little resonance.

And I agree about TLK thing. In the next 10-20 years, they'll lose that promotional tool because TLK won't be as strong in the minds of the parents who are taking their children to the movies like it is for our generation.

Alphapanchito wrote:And Divinity, I totally agree. That scene made me like Anna more than i thought i would, when i thought the main event would be Elsa for me. It is also my favorite sequence by far, and i was definitely crying the second time i saw it.

I'm glad someone agrees. I think I wasn't here for Anna as I walked into the movie, just because of how obvious they tried to imitate Rapunzel (and Ariel) with her design and upbeat personality. Thankfully, she managed to be a decent character in her own right, so I actually like her for the most part.

Regarding Weselton and the twist: I'm really glad Hans turned out to be the real villain, because Weselton would've been really awful as a main villain. I didn't mind Weselton being in the movie myself; the bowing/dancing scene was hilarious.

So Frozen turned out to be (somewhat) better than Tangled in your book, which is nice. So Divinity, what did you think of Hans as a character and.. What did you think of him after he was revealed to be the villian and where would you rank him with the other male villians? Just wondering.

I know I don't come on here often enough, but I wanted to offer my thoughts on the Frozen. Now, before I post my thoughts on the film, let me state this... I was very excited for Frozen, for the same reasons I was excited for Princess and the Frog, Tangled and such; I always LOVE IT when a new Disney film comes out, especially one with potential like Frozen.

That being said, I saw the film yesterday, and when it was over I was numb. Numb because I both loved it, and I was very frustrated by it. I was able to see the flaws so clearly that my mind went nuts at the idea that people believe this is THE BEST MOVIE SINCE BEAUTY AND THE BEAST AND THE LION KING. Like, critics and fans claim that this movie is beyond perfect. It drove me nuts because I saw some very clear flaws that do not make it a perfect film. I will point those out in a minute. I mean, I ADORE Tangled to pieces, but even then I can point out that it is a flawed movie (like the cynical/smug angle it chooses in some places as well as some odd ideas). With Frozen, I was stunned that people were so quick to embrace it without even thinking about its flaws.

But after having slept on it and talking to my friends about it (as well as finding others that agree with me on Frozen's flaws) I can safely say that while I loved Frozen, it is on par with Sleeping Beauty. What I mean by this is that both films are greatly lvoed for their technical achievements yet are very flawed once you sit down and analyze them. Sleeping Beauty as great epic scope, animation and music, but the characters are kind of bland and pace issues. Frozen has those same flaws as well. Yet both films I think can be greatly enjoyed because their greatest strengths are big enough that they can carry a whole movie.

Now regarding what I loved about Frozen:
-The musical staging: Even if I think that Frozen's musical achievements are uneven, I will admit that they are very beautifully staged and better presented than in Tangled. Both "For the first time in forever" and "Let it go" feature stunning staging, especially "For the first time", like the scene where Anna is jumping in the portrait room. I thought that was adorable.

- The animation: Easily the best. While I do think the colder colors don't make it as aesthetically pleasing as Tangled in my eyes, it is still a gorgeous movie.

- The epic scope: The movie is very huge, especially at the end when the world is literally collapsing on everybody.

- Olaf and Sven: I was incredibly surprised by both of these characters. In my opinion, this is how they should have done the gargoyles in Hunchback; they provide the comic relief without distracting from the overall drama or overshadowing the main characters. Sven in particular is able to say so much without saying anything.

- The really good, epic songs: "For the first time in forever" and "Let it go" are examples of that. The epic music is beautiful and beautifully staged as I already mentioned.

Now for my issues with the movie:
- The pacing: I once complained that Princess and the Frog moved at too quick of a pace. I take it back, Frozen moves at too quick of a pace. It is SCENE SCENE SCENE SCENE SCENE SCENE END. What I mean is that the movie barely takes a break to slow down and have the audience have an intimate moment with the characters. Tangled did this really well with scenes where we see Gothel with Rapunzel, and then the campfire scene where Rapunzel and Flynn bond over and begin to grow as characters. Frozen is just non-stop drama from beginning to end without letting the audience have a quiet scene with the characters.

- The romance between Anna and Kristoff: I simply didn't buy it. To me, it seems that the directors were struggling between making an original Disney Princess film that did not adopt the classic tropes of yesteryear, and then having those tropes in for the sake of status quo. Kristoff at times feels like he was added because Anna is a Disney Princess and thus she must end up with someone at the end. I believed they worked better as just friends that went on a journey together than lovers, because the film barely established that connection. They hype it up greatly in the "Fixer Upper" song, but after that it is "WE MUST TAKE ANNA TO THE KINGDOM!". What I am getting at is that there simply isn't any setup that builds up to a relationship. This needed work.

- The villain: Hans may just be the weakest Disney villain ever. The reason why is because he simply comes off as being TOO genuinely good and caring for him to be a villain. It is a very rushed element that felt needed more time to develop. Hell, they didn't need to make him a villain. The movie didn't need a villain at all! That is because the emotional struggles between Anna and Elsa would have been enough conflict to carry the movie through. Movies CAN work without a villain, Ghibli has stated that before. Frozen could have been a movie that could have done splendidly without a villain. But again, status quo reared its ugly head.

- The uneven musical quality: I get that music appreciation is subjective and I won't argue with that, but I felt the movie was at odds with its musical styles. You have the very beautiful and epic "For the first time in forever" and "Let it go", and even the very emotional "Do you wanna build a snowman?", and then you have "Love is an open door", "In the summer" and "Fixer upper". They feel like silly songs they wanted added to the soundtrack because Disney movies need silly songs apparently. "Fixer upper" in particular, even if it is a fun song, is particularly offensive because it serves NO PURPOSE WHATSOEVER. It is just there to glorify a romance that was barely presented to us.

- The trolls: I can't be the only one that thinks the trolls are very useless in the movie. They come off as being very random characters that served little purpose other than brief exposition and say that "Norway culture has trolls!".

So as you can see, I REFUSE to see Frozen as being "THE BEST MOVIE SINCE BEAUTY AND THE BEAST AND LION KING", because it has too many flaws for it to be considered a PERFECT master. HOWEVER, it is up there with Sleeping Beauty and Hunchback of Notre Dame as flawed masterpieces whose strengths are so grand, you forgive the shortcomings. I think if I see Frozen several times and discuss it more, it will grow on me. If I were to rate it, I would give it a 7.5 out of 10: far, far, FAR from the grand masterpiece people are making it out to be, but also a great film at its core.

Oh yes, forgot to add, I think another one of Frozen's problems is that I think it plays its emotional cards too quickly and too early in the film. I think the first 30 minutes are amazing and emotionally powerful, and they are so, so, SO good, that the rest of the film struggles to keep up until the climax, when it picks up once again.

Saw this parody video of Let It Go (SPOILERS):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9J9Kgy5W7Y[/youtube]