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D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:48 pm You know after listening to the snippet a couple times, the song of Chris Pine is growing on me.

I initally felt thrown off that it was more upbeat than I expected as I was wondering if it would be more like "Poor Unfortunate Souls", "Be Prepared," or "Friends On The Other Side." But, after remembering that classic Disney villain songs like "Gaston" had a more celebratory/party-like feel to it and other villain songs like "Mine, Mine, Mine" from "Pocahontas" and "Mother Knows Best" from "Tangled" had a more upbeat and/or grandiose feel to it, along with hearing people say the song was like "You're Welcome" from Moana (which was the best and most-liked and most-recited song of the movie) if Maui was the villain, I feel confident in saying this might be the best song in the movie that could be worthy of a challenge against "I'm Just Ken" for the Oscar for Best Original Song.

And I say that knowing the visuals show he'll have some form of agitation and frustration as he continues his song.

Also, I don't get the criticism that it feels like "Wish" is what happens when Disney hires pop stars to write songs rather than Broadway writers. I mean yes, Julia Michaels is a popstar, but Benjamin Rice, her partner on all the film's songs, is a Broadway writer.

I mean where was this criticism when Elton John and Tim Rice, both a pop superstar and Broadway songwriter, did the songs for The Lion King? It kinda seems unfair.

I mean, at the very least, we're getting something different in terms of the approach the songs and I feel like it should kind of be different so we don't get stuck in the past and in the words of Walt Disney, a lesson that was also the theme of "Meet the Robinsons" (a movie we should really look back on more fondly and for good reason these days), Keep Moving Forward.

I'll say this, I get where Sotiris is coming from with it sounding like something from High School Musical, because Chris Pine kinda sounds more Zac Effron-like than how he sang in "Dungeons and Dragons: Honor Among Theives" or "Into the Woods."

But I still thought the song was pretty catchy.

Heck, maybe it will end up being the breakout song of the movie since Wish co-writer Jennifer Lee teased it as "the anthem parents have been waiting for."

ElMaximo13 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 2:47 pm Is there anywhere we can see the whole art book?

D82 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:16 pmWell, the fact that people forget their dreams is the worst part, though according to the filmmakers, Magnifico also does that with good intentions, since he wants to avoid them the pain of possibly not getting their wishes granted, as that's something he experienced. And people give their wishes to him freely. They know what they're doing, and that only one person gets their wish each month, so they don't really feel like victims to me. That's why I said I felt the film didn't really have stakes.

D82 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:35 am "This Is The Thanks I Get?!" has been officially released and there's a new sneak peek at the song scheduled for later today.

ElMaximo13 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 2:47 pm Is there anywhere we can see the whole art book?

Here's a flip-through video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSbdHO_NsYE

Mooky wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:20 am The song is growing on me, it's catchy and fun. It's still not what I'd imagine a villain song to sound like, but some of the wordplay is pretty neat.

The lyrics lead me to believe everyone in the kingdom is super stupid if they can't see through the King's performative actions or question them (giving the clothes off Benito's back or volunteering Henry), and the Queen being the stupidest one of all by the sheer logic of being married to him and witnessing his personality first-hand. Blindly giving away their wishes on the off-chance they'll someday be fulfilled. This got me thinking, how does it even work? If everyone in the kingdom has a wish, and they're being fulfilled at a rate of once a month (please correct me if I'm wrong, I seem to remember reading there's a monthly wish-granting ceremony; the song says 14, so let's take that as a definite annual number), if Magnifico has been doing this since he was, say, 25 and would continue doing this until he's 75, that would only be 700 wishes in his lifetime, some of them by people who would have died long time before and would never get to see their wish granted. I assume that's where Asha comes in, as Magnifico's successor, but why bother looking for a successor so early in his "career" and without proper vetting? He also seems like the type who wouldn't like to share spotlight, so why doesn't he just wish to live forever and grants his own wish? Also, who was granting wishes before Magnifico because the setup makes it appear this is the Kingdom's whole shtick, it's been going on for ages, and that's why people have been coming to Rosas?

This is what I dislike about Disney's original stories, the plots always end up raising more questions than answers. It's like asking a 5-year old to come up with their own fairytale and listen to them add more and more outrageous plot points.

Farerb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:42 pm Description of Asha from the Art book:

https://twitter.com/_princebambi/status ... edVuQ&s=19

Mooky wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:20 am Also, who was granting wishes before Magnifico because the setup makes it appear this is the Kingdom's whole shtick, it's been going on for ages, and that's why people have been coming to Rosas?

D82 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:53 pmAnother featurette about Magnifico.

MoonMarc21 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:06 pm Listened to "This Is the Thanks I Get?!" a few times in order to be familiar and get used to the tune of the song since like many other people, I was expecting it to sound more villainous and dark, but you know what, it's growing on me. I like this new take on a "Villain Song", more upbeat but clearly shows how narcissistic he is in the lyrics. If you compare this song with "This Wish" in it's tune, they're very different with Asha's song being sincere and slow while King Magnifico's is a bit cynical and fast-paced. It's cool that it complements their personalities and shows their true character which is what I like in musicals. Just from the footage released for this song, I'm really going to like the visuals and expressions King Magnifico will be making, even outside of the song, so deliciously evil!

Musical Master wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 11:01 pm The stark contrast between the two characters and songs, was possibly the idea that Julia Michaels and Benjamin Rice had in mind when they were writing those two songs.

D82 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:53 pm Another featurette about Magnifico.

And here are the Chinese trailer (with features a couple of new shots) and poster:


Source: https://weibo.com/1642553272/NpsiB65WZ

Sotiris wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:08 pm This section of the Real3D poster would have made a nice poster in itself. I like the scenery and Asha's pose there. I think Asha looks better there than in the Japanese or American posters where she reaches out to Star.