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Since everybody's able to see the show, just assume my posts have spoilers.

Not completely surprised that Arthur might be a villain, since there was something about the actor that seemed a little odd. Either way, I like that they're continuing their diverse direction for the villains by having him be similar to, say, Frollo--having a warped perception of "good." And it sort of fits with Arthur anyway, because Arthur and the Round Table were always pretty grey to me in the myths. This arc reminds me a bit of Neverland, with all the Storybrooke characters getting time to breathe. I like Dark Swan more than I expected, too.

Btw, Regina was a complete hypocrite with Zelena; if anything, Regina has done 10x as many awful things as her and only became good because of Henry, only to turn around and try to deny Zelena the same chance at redemption byway of motherhood. I can't wait for Zelena to get free and all hell to break loose.

Disney's Divinity wrote:Since everybody's able to see the show, just assume my posts have spoilers.

Not completely surprised that Arthur might be a villain, since there was something about the actor that seemed a little odd. Either way, I like that they're continuing their diverse direction for the villains by having him be similar to, say, Frollo--having a warped perception of "good." And it sort of fits with Arthur anyway, because Arthur and the Round Table were always pretty grey to me in the myths. This arc reminds me a bit of Neverland, with all the Storybrooke characters getting time to breathe. I like Dark Swan more than I expected, too.

Btw, Regina was a complete hypocrite with Zelena; if anything, Regina has done 10x as many awful things as her and only became good because of Henry, only to turn around and try to deny Zelena the same chance at redemption byway of motherhood. I can't wait for Zelena to get free and all hell to break loose.

Ok, so I'm not the only one. I thought there was something off about Arthur as well from the very beginning so wasn't shocked at all about him being a villain, or at least an opponent to the main cast.

I completely agree about Regina! I can't stand her anymore, because she has so much blood on her hands and never seems to have repented for any of it. She always talks about how much she has changed, but that's only been for Henry, and in all honestly, she hasn't done much to redeem herself, not after everything she has done. I find it ironic that she did all of this for Daniel, yet she's thrown him completely away. She even had the chance to revive him, but she dumped him so you could say that all those innocent people who died, died in vain for a love Regina doesn't even seem to acknowledge anymore. I also find it interesting that the writers constantly try to remind us how hard Regina is trying to redeem herself, then out of the blue they remind the audience about the heinous things she has done, yet still expect us to root for her (like her interaction with Percival last episode). I'm with Zelena all the way, who really hasn't done as many bad things (isn't her death count just Marion?)

Yea you guys are right about Regina. And actually, isn't it Zelena's right to keep her baby to herself? I'm unaware what would be politically correct here.

I suspected Arthur would be a villain. And I even suspected he took the toadstool. Then he made David his special knight and I thought I was wrong. Then I found out I was right. Go figure!

Well, in real circumstances, a crazy murderess rapist should rightfully have her children taken away from her. My problem here is that the same thing applied/applies to Regina, who was also a crazy murderess rapist; the main conflict of nearly the first half of the series is Snow's family not being able to do Regina in because of her tie to Henry (as designed by Rumpel).

The only real difference between them is that Regina was pushed over the edge by Rumpel's machinations, Cora's abuse, and Daniel's murder snapping her mind like a twig. Zelena's life before finding out about Cora/Regina was harmless in comparison to just about any of the other villains' backstories.

Btw, what happened to Maleficent and her daughter now that I think of it?

Disney's Divinity wrote:Well, in real circumstances, a crazy murderess rapist should rightfully have her children taken away from her. My problem here is that the same thing applied/applies to Regina, who was also a crazy murderess rapist; the main conflict of nearly the first half of the series is Snow's family not being able to do Regina in because of her tie to Henry (as designed by Rumpel).

The only real difference between them is that Regina was pushed over the edge by Rumpel's machinations, Cora's abuse, and Daniel's murder snapping her mind like a twig. Zelena's life before finding out about Cora/Regina was harmless in comparison to just about any of the other villains' backstories.

Btw, what happened to Maleficent and her daughter now that I think of it?

I totally forgot about Regina being a rapist as well. Her fans seem to brush that off well. I can't imagine it would be as well-received if Regina was a man and the huntsman a woman. While Regina was manipulated quite a bit, most of her actions still should be blamed on her. Daniel's death only made her vengeful towards Snow, not her mother, the real killer. Her problems with her mother by that point were simply trying to live her own life. I never really understood her priorities then, especially considering how Daniel was supposed to be her one true love yet she only ever seemed to care about him when it involved her plotting revenge on Snow. Even that doesn't last too long since they nearly make amends multiple times after that only for other things to get in the way (like Regina massacring a whole village).

I don't think Zelena's life was really that bad tbh and perhaps its because she was far away from her mother. I suppose her main hang-up was the initial abandonment. I prefer Zelena anyway, and it helps that her death count is just 2 (Marion and Neal who I completely forgot about). Neal doesn't bother me much lol especially since he walked into that death trap, although Marion's death was harder for me to forgive. Mainly because we got stuck with that Regina-Robin nonsense. Although Zelena technically did rape Robin, their relationship is so convoluted already, that it is hard to spare any cares for their love triangle/square anymore. Notice how except for a brief mention last episode, they never really hone in on what Robin feels.

I consider Zelena's murder of Neal a mercy killing on behalf of the viewersm, tbh.

Alright going to try to fine the right words on this subject.

While yes Regina did horrible things, I don't think she's ever felt redeemed but forgiven and feels rergert. Doing that much Evil and moving forward to be good is amazing. Even if Henry is the one who opened her heart to lead her on that path is inspiring to me. Sometimes when someone is lost in darkness the only way out is love if they so choose it. Yes what Regina did is more horrible, but the difference with Zelena is that I don't think she regrets the bad things she has done I get the feeling Regina does.

That's my two cents on it.

Well said disneyboy. Regina regrets.

I forget, how did Regina rape someone?

I remember Zelena's life being terrible on account of her father hating her and thinking she was wicked and being an alcoholic. He may not have physically abused her, but perhaps verbally, mentally, emotionally?

Disney Duster wrote:Well said disneyboy. Regina regrets.

I forget, how did Regina rape someone?

I think possibly Graham slash the Huntsman kinda being forced to sleep with her all the time?

Disney's Divinity wrote:I consider Zelena's murder of Neal a mercy killing on behalf of the viewersm, tbh.

I completely agree

Disney Duster wrote:Well said disneyboy. Regina regrets.

I forget, how did Regina rape someone?

I remember Zelena's life being terrible on account of her father hating her and thinking she was wicked and being an alcoholic. He may not have physically abused her, but perhaps verbally, mentally, emotionally?

After taking the huntsman's heart, she told him that he would have to do everything she asked for otherwise she would squeeze his heart and kill him. This is followed by her ordering her guards to take him to her bedchambers. Also, she finally ends up killing him when he picks Emma over her.

Completely forgot about Zelena's father. They sorta brushed over that, because within the first few minutes she is already on her way to Oz.

From the lack of hair colour change in Once so far ... take it Ginny is now wig-wearing as Mary Margaret just because she fancied a change up of her natural hair ? Always figured it would be part of the plot somehow ....

Yes, Regina raped the Huntsman. That was pretty clear in season 1.

As for Regina regretting her actions, I'm skeptical she has the empathy to understand completely what she's done to others. I'm sure she regrets doing bad things, but she doesn't think of anything specific when she feels guilt. For instance--during the Frozen arc, when she's pissed that "doing good" still didn't give her Happy Ending, she goes to get help from Sidney/the Magic Mirror...who she'd had locked up in an asylum the entire time...only to immediately lock him into the mirror again! As far as we know, she'd have kept him enslaved forever if Ingrid hadn't freed him. Even this past episode, when someone who knew Regina while she was evil confronted her, she had no sympathy at all, she just sneered at him. I think the character is stunted mentally, tbh, that I don't think full redemption is possible. Regardless, even if I believed she really regretted her actions--she only regrets them now. What about in season 2 or 3? That's why I said her words to Zelena were hypocritical because, even if Zelena doesn't regret her actions right now, she could still change. I remember wanting Zelena to survive season 3 so that Regina could help her onto the path of redemption like herself; instead they went the opposite direction, which shows that Regina hasn't really changed that much.

I already knew what Zelena's backstory was when I made the statement about it, so naturally I haven't changed my mind about that part. She did have her foster mother, who had only died recently when her father kicks her out. So it's not as if she was abused or unwanted her whole life--she had her foster mother.

Hm. I see. Thank you JeanGreyForever and Disney's Divinity. I see what you guys mean.

Dull episode, but at least we got to see Emma/Hook and Snow/Charming have a few moments, which they don’t often get. I really like the actor for Arthur. Not sure how to feel about this plot for Rumpel…. Help me be “BRAVE,” a little on the nose.

Disney's Divinity wrote:Dull episode, but at least we got to see Emma/Hook and Snow/Charming have a few moments, which they don’t often get. I really like the actor for Arthur. Not sure how to feel about this plot for Rumpel…. Help me be “BRAVE,” a little on the nose.

This is the first episode in a while that I have actually enjoyed Snow and Charming's screen presence. I was also glad to not have to see much of Regina and Robin. I really enjoy Arthur as well, and he seems like an interesting villain so far.

Disney's Divinity wrote: Not sure how to feel about this plot for Rumpel…. Help me be “BRAVE,” a little on the nose.

Yeah that was a bit of a cheesy line. Took me out of the moment of the episode to be honest. Also it all mainly took place in the past not the present. Not sure if that's happened on this show before where 3/4 of it is all flashbacks. Sadly I won't be watching next week's episode, well live anyway. Have to watch WWE Hell in a Cell on the WWE Network. But as soon as it's over I'm watching the episode via the good old DVR

Arthur is one twisted villain! I hate him! As I suppose I am supposed to? His handsomeness can't make me overlook his evil!

Im not very familiar wiht the Arthurian legends, is Arthur supposed to be a morally grey character? is this just another Peter Pan thing where they're turning a good character evil to show how edgy they are.

Arthur is a grey character. Peter Pan wasn't exactly a good character in the books either.

Merlin is hot. It's too bad Regina is with a dud like Robin Hood, I'd have liked her paired with Merlin instead.

You know, I'm glad the show/characters are being given room to breathe and have quiet, intimate moments, but after such a long time of everyone running around like chickens with their heads cut off over every new villain, the show feels sedated.

Merida, brave, blah blah blah.

Btw, possible spoilers for the Spring: Rumors are that the Underworld/Hades will be involved. Not sure how to feel about it for now, but it would allow them to have cameos of Cora, Pan, Daniel, Baelfire, the Huntsman, etc.