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DisneyJedi wrote:

UmbrellaFish wrote:Well, if the name is changed and if those details about the trailer are true, then that means Disney probably isn't blaming TPATF "failure" on 2-D. It's because it's a "princess" movie. And I'd rather have more non-fairy tale 2-D Disney films than noe at all.

If Disney goes through with all this, Rapunzel's Prince Charming will certainly not be "neglected" in this campaign. Shall be interesting to see how this all develops...

And TPatF is not a "failure". It's doing fine.

DisneyJedi, no need to be defensive- I'm on your side. But the fact of the matter is TPATF has just about ended its North American run and its results are disappointing. I'm sure it'll do extraordinarily well come DVD release, and in foreign countries as well, but movie gross wise.... TPATF certainly did not make the impact Disney would have wanted.

Again, I'm afraid the fanasty genre hasn't been what it used to be, at least with Disney. These days it seems like most people think Disney's fanasty films are childish with the emphasis on girls and kids. Today's audience is much different than it was back in the 90's. People today settle for simple entertainment. If they want to watch a serious animated film, they go watch a Pixar movie. Because today's pop culture has morphed Disney into a teen pop craze that caters to younger kids, I think people don't take Disney as seriously as they did in the Renaissance. Back then there it wasn't CGI and computer animation until Toy Story. Now CGI has become the norm of animation, and Disney is left shut out because they sort-of stick with 2D. I hate to think that today's mindset might be that hand-drawn animation is somehow outdated. That's just wrong on so many levels.

I read the news on stitchkingdom, I saw the website name registrations, and to be honest, my faith in this project has taken a slight dip.

Does Disney really think this will help?? If they are so embaressed to have the title assiciated with "girly fairy tales," why did they even greenlight this project in the first place???? As a few people have posted earlier, Disney should not be making excuses for fairy tales. It's part of their heritage. Only Disney can make fairy tales right. Not Dreamworks. Not BlueSky Studios. Not even Pixar. Disney.

I hope these name registrations are for another Disney project. I'd hate to have this film titled: "The Astonishing Adventures of Flynn Ryder and his Extraordinary Antics" (small cameo appearance by Rapunzel.)

If they are changing the title to something generic as that then they are wilfully sabotaging the project. People have been hearing about the title "Rapunzel" for years and are familiar with it. She's the main character and it's the name of the original fairytale. Why hide that fact by changing the title. The movie is what it is, and a stupid title doesn't change that. Be proud of the project you are making instead of weaseling out of it by giving it a camouflage title.

This is a really low blow and STUPID marketing tactic. Just awfull, awfull, awfull. I'm seriously going to set-up a widespread petition online should the title be anything else then Rapunzel! Because I will not have any of that bullshit!

robster16 wrote:If they are changing the title to something generic as that then they are wilfully sabotaging the project. People have been hearing about the title "Rapunzel" for years and are familiar with it. She's the main character and it's the name of the original fairytale. Why hide that fact by changing the title. The movie is what it is, and a stupid title doesn't change that. Be proud of the project you are making instead of weaseling out of it by giving it a camouflage title.

This is a really low blow and STUPID marketing tactic. Just awfull, awfull, awfull. I'm seriously going to set-up a widespread petition online should the title be anything else then Rapunzel! Because I will not have any of that bullshit!

True, but the story has changed so much, that it actually has nothing to do with Rapunzel anymore.

If you make a film called "Snow White and the 7 dwarfs" and you give Snow White brown hair, and take out the dwafs, and change the prince into a Beast, you might as well call it "Beauty and the Beast"

Marky_198 wrote:

robster16 wrote:If they are changing the title to something generic as that then they are wilfully sabotaging the project. People have been hearing about the title "Rapunzel" for years and are familiar with it. She's the main character and it's the name of the original fairytale. Why hide that fact by changing the title. The movie is what it is, and a stupid title doesn't change that. Be proud of the project you are making instead of weaseling out of it by giving it a camouflage title.

This is a really low blow and STUPID marketing tactic. Just awfull, awfull, awfull. I'm seriously going to set-up a widespread petition online should the title be anything else then Rapunzel! Because I will not have any of that bullshit!

True, but the story has changed so much, that it actually has nothing to do with Rapunzel anymore.

If you make a film called "Snow White and the 7 dwarfs" and you give Snow White brown hair, and take out the dwafs, and change the prince into a Beast, you might as well call it "Beauty and the Beast"

As if The Little Mermaid is so true to the original version of the story, for instance. The main premise and name of the title character remain the same. By taking the original title away they are also taking away the recognizability the project has with the general public who has been hearing this title for the past couple of years. A generic title sounds new and erases all links to the original fairytale.

As a movie marketed up to now as a Disney's return to the classic fairytale and it's 50th animated classic it's quite weird to actually get rid of the fairytale on which the entire project is based on!

If Disney's that concerned about the film's profits, they should re-think the idea of putting it up against "Deathly Hallows" instead of worrying about the title. Seriously, between this and the possible cancellation of "The Snow Queen", how much more stupid and money hungry can they get?

I can picture it all now...

This coming November. I walk up to the box office and say: "Good morning. I'll have one adult ticket for "The Thief and the Tower."

I feel so stupid just thinking about it!

Mooky wrote:If Disney's that concerned about the film's profits, they should re-think the idea of putting it up against "Deathly Hallows" instead of worrying about the title.

It's seriously supposed to be going up against Harry Potter?!?!? Hasn't Disney learned its lesson about putting their films against HP/Twilight-type films?!?!? WTF, Disney?!?!? You (or Lasseter, or whoever) want your films to fail, don't you?!?

Not Lasseter. He can't control the release of a movie.

blackcauldron85 wrote:

Mooky wrote:If Disney's that concerned about the film's profits, they should re-think the idea of putting it up against "Deathly Hallows" instead of worrying about the title.

It's seriously supposed to be going up against Harry Potter?!?!?

Well, to be fair, "Deathly Hallows" comes out a week before "Rapunzel" does, but still... When it comes to a juggernaut-franchise like "Harry Potter", you can be sure it's going to reign the BO for weeks.

Honestly, I think Rapunzel as a title is just find. But, if they were to change the title, they should go the Ever After: A Cinderella Story route and create a new title, but add the emphasis that it's an adaptation of Rapunzel. Something like The Maiden in the Tower: A Rapunzel Story. I don't know...

tsom wrote: Something like The <strike>Maiden</strike> Manly Man in the Tower: A Rapunzel Story. I don't know...

Because Disney doesn't like female-type titles...

I actually laughed out loud when I heard of the name change, and then realized just how ridiculous all of those titles sounded.

I can understand if Disney wants to include both characters in the title since it seems like both Rapunzel and Flynn will be the stars of the picture, but why all the ridiculous titles? Why don't they just go the PatF route, and call it "Rapunzel and the Thief"? That sounds a lot better than "Tangled"... *gag*

KennethE wrote:I can picture it all now...

This coming November. I walk up to the box office and say: "Good morning. I'll have one adult ticket for "The Thief and the Tower."

I feel so stupid just thinking about it!

That should not happen.They should thinking one positive thing about it's competion(Deathly Hallows).All the true Harry Potter fans and their friends and family will see Deathly Hallows while Rapunzel is new film that will attract people of all ages and genders.Taking away the title will make people unfamiliar with the movie.This is what they should do.
Make several trailers that can attract kids,teens an adults.They'll advertise child friendly tv spots on Disney Channel,advertise tv spots with a more on regular channels,as for teens....use grunge songs as background music in tv spots.

Candy-Bonita95 wrote:

KennethE wrote:I can picture it all now...

This coming November. I walk up to the box office and say: "Good morning. I'll have one adult ticket for "The Thief and the Tower."

I feel so stupid just thinking about it!

That should not happen.They should thinking one positive thing about it's competion(Deathly Hallows).All the true Harry Potter fans and their friends and family will see Deathly Hallows while Rapunzel is new film that will attract people of all ages and genders.Taking away the title will make people unfamiliar with the movie.This is what they should do.
Make several trailers that can attract kids,teens an adults.They'll advertise child friendly tv spots on Disney Channel,advertise tv spots with a more on regular channels,as for teens....use grunge songs as background music in tv spots.

Oh, theyll need more than that to keep up with Harry. We're talking 40 magazine articles, 20 on MSN, and 10 Yahoo-exclusive preview clips, plus behind-the-scenes featurettes, and mandatory trailers on ALL disney movies, DVDs, Blus, and even games. Oh, and frequent cheap Disney Channel wrtitten scenes that "coincidentally" reference the film.

Someone posted this on the IMDB Rapunzel forum in regards to the apparent title change of the movie:

It´s just a rumor. I work at Mexico City's Disney dubbing studio and the teaser trailer is ready for Alice, being attached next week to the copies of the film.

only problem with this statement is that Alice won't premiere untill february 25th and go on general release untill march 5th, unless he means that they will start adding the trailer to the prints of the movie next week, the actual process of adding the trailer to the movie.... If the trailer is ready I expect it to make it's online debut soon!

What speaks in favour of them sticking to "Rapunzel" is the fact that a lot of merchandise has to be develloped and they probably all stuck to the original movie title. It might be a little late to switch titles this late in the game with a huge toy fair having just started, where we might see some of the first merchandise and packaging.... Fingers crossed that they stick to "Rapunzel"

News from the Nuremburg Toy Fair that started yesterday. Apparently Mattel has a big stand featuring new Disney products according to the Toy Fair guide book that I found online. In it it says the following:

Mattel is in for a big year and has a portfolio which includes an array of stand-out brands that include WWE, Thomas and Friends, 3rd & Bird, Guess With Jess, Toy Story 3 and Disney Princess...

...The all-new Disney Princess range will combine product innovation and increased features with a strong aesthetic. A core portfolio of fashion dolls, bath toys and play-sets will be supported with key products launches timed to entertainment releases, including new offerings for the spring theatrical release of Princess and The Frog, autumn theatrical release of Rapunzel and DVD release Beauty and The Beast.

link to the document: http://issuu.com/intentmedia/docs/toyne ... 2010_guide

Let's hope someone posts pics or videos from the toy fair!

ajmrowland wrote:

Candy-Bonita95 wrote: That should not happen.They should thinking one positive thing about it's competion(Deathly Hallows).All the true Harry Potter fans and their friends and family will see Deathly Hallows while Rapunzel is new film that will attract people of all ages and genders.Taking away the title will make people unfamiliar with the movie.This is what they should do.
Make several trailers that can attract kids,teens an adults.They'll advertise child friendly tv spots on Disney Channel,advertise tv spots with a more serious tone on regular channels,as for teens....use grunge songs as background music in tv spots.

Oh, theyll need more than that to keep up with Harry. We're talking 40 magazine articles, 20 on MSN, and 10 Yahoo-exclusive preview clips, plus behind-the-scenes featurettes, and mandatory trailers on ALL disney movies, DVDs, Blus, and even games. Oh, and frequent cheap Disney Channel wrtitten scenes that "coincidentally" reference the film.

I know,but I was talking about how is Disney wants to appeal a variety of audiences.Harry Potter has a different audience since it's a well known franchise that attracts children from 10-17 years old.I believe Rapunzel can attract audiences without changing the title but by LETTING IT ALL OUT!They should not hinder the seriousness,emotion,grit,and creativity because some shitty sequel of chipmunks beat TPAtF domestically.

Yeah, I was only adding on to your last post. Disney plays up their Diamond releases, but almost none of the theatricals. They really should step it up a notch.