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I posted Wes Anderson up a few posts, but I really think the films of Paul Thomas Anderson are completely over-rated, as well.

Boogie Nights and Punch Drunk Love are the only ones I've seen (and I don't like either,) I haven't seen any of the others, nor do I plan to. I've seen enough clips/trailers etc., to know that There Will Be Blood and Magnolia aren't for me.

He likes to use Phillip Seymour Hoffman in his films, and I can't stand the guy (a highly over-rated actor, in my opinion, if this was the over-rated actor thread.)


Speaking of directors named Anderson, I actually enjoy the films of Paul W.S. Anderson much more than Wes or P.T. They are cheesy action/sci-fi/horror films, but they aren't trying to be any more than that. - Mortal Kombat, Event Horizon, Soldier, Resident Evil, AVP: Alien vs. Predator, Death Race, and Spy Hunter (coming soon.)

Goliath wrote:

PeterPanfan wrote:People are not programmed; they have their own free will. They know it's wrong to cheat, and just because you're of a different sexual orientation doesn't mean you have the right to.

If you don't think people are programmed by parents, teachers, priests, media etc., you don't understand the world you're living in.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

T-SoD wrote:and the "innovative" stuff that they did doesn't seem that innovative, not even in 1941.

Well the technical innovations really have to be viewed from the context of 1940 (not 1941 ). Films still looked stagey and predictable (just compare the cinematography of Citizen Kane to How Green Was My Valley). You didn't have stuff like deep focus or the camera angles that Citizen Kane used. There's more, I'm sure, but those two are the most common to cite.

Still, I agree with you on the boring part. It feels like it *could* be better, but I think it's just my attention span that doesn't allow me to enjoy it as much as I could (netty once posted a long post about how the script and dialogue are great, and I gave the film a re-viewing after reading it, but still didn't care for it).

And ITA on PS Hoffman, littlefuzzy. I'm not a big fan of his work and am not too crazy to see movies he's in.

albert

I say that given AFI's criteria Gone With the Wind is a better candidate for greatest America film ever. It won more awards, has had considerably more long-term popularity, is still controversial today, is still impressive regardless if you view it "in context" or just on it's own by today's standards, is a great adaption of a book, it holds your attention for 4 hours the list goes on (most importantly, I don't have to be lectured on why it's great, like The Godfather or Casablanca I just watch it for myself and see). I know public adoration has little meaning to critics but everything considered GWTW just seems like a better choice to me. Citizen Kane just seems popular now because of how much critics have hyped it's significance. Still a good movie, just hard to believe it's #1 considering what came before and after it.

Sorry for continuing off-topic, but I feel as though this is the perfect last thing that needs to be said about this:

Goliath wrote:

PeterPanfan wrote:People are not programmed; they have their own free will. They know it's wrong to cheat, and just because you're of a different sexual orientation doesn't mean you have the right to.

If you don't think people are programmed by parents, teachers, priests, media etc., you don't understand the world you're living in.

That's a fact, Panfan.

And yes, people have the free will to disobey what they're taught. But you seem to be pretending like it's easy.

And another thing - I never said it was okay for anyone to cheat. Exactly how the hell did you get that out of my reply?? My point is that society is screwed up!! Anyone saw that. You someone misinterpreted.

The problem here is intolerance. And neither you nor anyone else are helping out by being closed-minded and judgmental. All you see is the cheating. Do you honestly think a gay person married to someone they're not in love with is compelled to cheat because husbands cheat? If society weren't always pushing One Man-One Woman marriages, this sort of thing would not happen like this.

In a way- this has to happen to show us that we're not doing enough to crack down on homophobic, evil laws in America. And I feel terrible for wives who end up married like this. But it's not the man's fault his society punishes him dearly for being gay.

This epidemic goes to show that Homophobia is EVERYONE'S problem.

From what I recall of your posts, you said that it was a completely different thing for a gay person to commit adultery than it is for a straight person to.

And society is starting to become more open to the homosexual orientation. I know of maybe...fifteen or so gay/lesbian people in my high school that have the same number of friends straight people do.

And I think we should move on, as these posts are becoming extremely off-topic.

Regarding Citizen Kane: did any of you watched it in a theatre? Because I did, and it's a whole different experience than watching it on dvd at home, on your tv. This film doesn't really belong on a small screen.

I always thought Casablanca was overrated. How is it different from most other 1940's romantic films? And the story has so many holes in it, it is ridiculous. A guy who escaped a concentration camp can freely walk around in Vichy-Marocco, without 100 nazi's jumping on his neck? Sure...

PeterPanfan wrote:And I think we should move on, as these posts are becoming extremely off-topic.

Fine. But when me and someone like Goliath can agree on the same thing, you're clearly wrong. You can't change the world to suit your moral beliefs. Or how you think things are. You have to face reality.

If this really is over, I'll reply a little later with even more picks for overrated movies (I got a million of 'em).

PeterPanfan wrote:
And society is starting to become more open to the homosexual orientation. I know of maybe...fifteen or so gay/lesbian people in my high school that have the same number of friends straight people do.

Sorry to continue off-topicness but this part bugs me a bit.

Society is starting to become more open? Yeah right, have you seen how people act on the internet? They use the derogatory terms very freely, and often. Usually it's used in forms of cyberbullying, ignorance or illogically. Even in real life (not on internet) people use the derogatory terms in the same ways "oh that movie was so gay" or if someone comes across someone they don't like "oh what a f**". The general group (I assume) that uses these terms is the ages 15-29 crowd, at least from my experience people in those age groups are more likely to use the terms.

Then there's California, where they a while back denied gay marriages. Society becoming more open my butt, there's still a lot of ignorance out there and a long way to go before society becomes as open as you claim.

Ugh, must we really continue this?

I never said that society was completely open, or even open for that matter. I said they were STARTING to BECOME more open.

PeterPanfan wrote:Ugh, must we really continue this?

If you don't reply, it won't go anywhere.

PeterPanfan wrote:I never said that society was completely open, or even open for that matter. I said they were STARTING to BECOME more open.

We all understand what you're trying to say. And you want to know something? I think society started becoming more open to homosexuality when they declared it wasn't a mental illness and Gay-Liberation was starting to get media attention...Over 3 Decades Ago.

No offense, but you're getting your idea of "starting to become more open" from TV and movies. Fictional programs. Where almost all the people playing gay characters are straight and everyone knows it's a performance. And for which, they've been playing gay characters for decades. George Carlin, Rene Auberjonois, Al Pacino, etc (if I think of more, you KNOW I'll post 'em later). Heck, look at The Birdcage. Released 10 years before Brokeback Mountain got a theatrical release. Think anything changed in that 10 year period? If anything, things got worse! The film was attacked and battered all over the place in the media by conservative homophobes. Rush Limbaugh called it "Bareback Mountain." And not as a joke. As an angry, nasty, hateful slur.

For a more accurate barometer of what's going on, look at the gay celebrities. Like Clay Aiken, who refused to come out of the closet more than 5 years after he became a household name. Or Dan Pintauro who was forced out of the closet by a tabloid. Same with Chad Allen. Or T. R. Knight, which caused a tidal wave of problems for the show's cast. And let's not forget the trainwreck that is Rosie O'Donnell. Do you honestly think she gets as many death threats as I'm sure she still gets just becasue she's a liberal? Nope. It's because she's a lesbian with a partner with children. How many places do you think they can go out in public safely in America? Not many. You have my guarantee on that.


But with any hope, things might get better. But don't hold your breath.

Lazario wrote:Fine. But when me and someone like Goliath can agree on the same thing, you're clearly wrong.

"Someone like Goliath"? Yeah, I'm a very special breed...