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D82 wrote:

JeanGreyForever wrote:Did anybody else notice that in the credits, they mention that the story was adapted from The Snow Queen fairytale? I can understand why they felt compelled to do that for the first Frozen but I'm surprised they carried that credit over for its sequel.

Well, I think films usually give credit to the original source material even when it's a sequel and the story is mostly original, given that the characters and certain elements may still be based on it. By the way, what I noticed in the credits is that Byron Howard is an executive producer on the film. I didn't know that before.

Sotiris wrote:More Jin Kim art!

https://cosmoanimato.tumblr.com/post/189259259177/elsa
https://cosmoanimato.tumblr.com/post/18 ... un-to-draw
https://cosmoanimato.tumblr.com/post/18 ... at-wdas-at

Thanks for sharing! Many of these poses have been used in posters and merchandise for the film.

That makes sense. I think Byron Howard's involvement was announced sometime before.

I adore Jin Kim's work on Frozen and Tangled. I much prefer how the characters are rendered in 2D. With the current trend of making animated films into live-action films, I'd love the idea of Disney one day making hand-drawn animated films from some of their CGI ones.

I have been redaing on this forum since at least late 2010 when i was 14 yeras old. So it has been intersting following Frozen fom beingannounced on December23th 2011 to it beacime mega hit. And seeing hiow much it changed.Wheni was heard the plot syummary in latw 2011 i was hopeing Elsa wouldbecome the next great show stoping Disney villan in the samevine as Ursula. Boy was i WRONG !

Still really liked the movie though.

JeanGreyForever wrote:https://www.cinemablend.com/news/248554 ... evelopment
It's really interesting that apparently the only scene that was in every draft of the film was the scene of Elsa braving the waters and confronting the nokk. I remember how confusing that scene was in the teaser for everybody when it was released a few months ago so I really liked the payoff of seeing it on the big screen with context.

You know, that's interesting, because I thought the scene was a mess in the movie.
It had a weird transition and seemed very random, Elsa just randomly made it all the way to the sea and stood there... Why did she think she could run straight into it? why didn't she build herself a giant boat? Then the nokk suddenly appeared and she fought with him, the scene which probably lasted more than 2 minutes was actually just 2 minutes. They would cut from one thing to another.. I kind of get making it shorter, thats the one scene all the kids in both of my showings were scared of.. but the transitions and the quick cuts really disrupted the flow of the movie.

I also feel like it was ridiculous trying to pass off the Northulda as POC considering the voice cast, then skin tone of Iduna when she was a kid compared to her adult one.
Evan Rachel Wood, Jason Ritter, Martha Plimpton, Rachel Mathews, and Alan Tudyk are all white.. Yet they voice POC characters? Amazing considering how much emphasis Disney put on Moana's cast and their recent casting of the live action Ariel.

I wonder, when do we stop tagging spoilers?

Now that we’re past the release, I’ve been thinking about two things in particulars. Gonna use spoilers still just because I know a lot of people haven’t had the chance to see it yet. But...

If in the original cut Elsa was supposed to die, I’m wondering what all besides a full coronation scene and most likely the statue being of Elsa instead of their parents was cut? Clearly there was a full runtime with Elsa dying. There’s no way they would’ve done a wedding and a coronation. So that wouldn’t make much sense either. Question being... What was the original intent and how much did it set up a third film? And in turn what does this cut material provide in the way oh cohesiveness that the final film didn’t have?

Speaking a third film, now that Elsa’s journey is complete, I’d love to see them do a final movie and steal more from the fairy tale. Seeing Elsa turn evil temporarily could be a lot of fun. And I feel like she deserves more of a journey than the end she got. It was all very unceremonious
in my opinion. She becomes the fifth spirit and what? What’s her job? What does she do? Sit in the woods all day? Maybe dig into the fifth spirit thing? It just all seemed too breezed over.

farerb wrote:I don't think Elsa was supposed to die permanently. Disney would have never taken that risk. I also don't think they have a third film planned right now, I'm sure there will be one, but I don't think they mapoed the details. I also think that Evil/Morally Ambiguous Elsa is something that they will never do. Disney don't take risks anymore.

From everything I’ve read about those screenings, she was dead but they showed hints she could come back in a third movie somehow.

Also when I say evil, I mean something magical corrupts her and Anna would have to save her from it. Seeing her turned villain not by choice, which is the only they they’d do it. And with a third film, I think they could take a risk like that. But at this point I don’t see the need for any more story in this world. It will just end up being a never ending “let’s answer this question we accidentally made or this plot hole we didn’t intend to create” instead of something cohesive.

taei wrote:

JeanGreyForever wrote:https://www.cinemablend.com/news/248554 ... evelopment
It's really interesting that apparently the only scene that was in every draft of the film was the scene of Elsa braving the waters and confronting the nokk. I remember how confusing that scene was in the teaser for everybody when it was released a few months ago so I really liked the payoff of seeing it on the big screen with context.

You know, that's interesting, because I thought the scene was a mess in the movie.
It had a weird transition and seemed very random, Elsa just randomly made it all the way to the sea and stood there... Why did she think she could run straight into it? why didn't she build herself a giant boat? Then the nokk suddenly appeared and she fought with him, the scene which probably lasted more than 2 minutes was actually just 2 minutes. They would cut from one thing to another.. I kind of get making it shorter, thats the one scene all the kids in both of my showings were scared of.. but the transitions and the quick cuts really disrupted the flow of the movie.

I also feel like it was ridiculous trying to pass off the Northulda as POC considering the voice cast, then skin tone of Iduna when she was a kid compared to her adult one.
Evan Rachel Wood, Jason Ritter, Martha Plimpton, Rachel Mathews, and Alan Tudyk are all white.. Yet they voice POC characters? Amazing considering how much emphasis Disney put on Moana's cast and their recent casting of the live action Ariel.

I wonder, when do we stop tagging spoilers?

It was quite a jump cut that Elsa ends up on the shore all of a sudden. She did try to make a bridge but I guess because of the waves, she felt it would be easier to make a bridge from climbing the top of the wave, otherwise if she did it at ground level, the waves would crush the bridge.

That's a good point that the POC characters don't even have POC actors. I think a lot of things that are considered revolutionary right now about Frozen will not age well in the future, especially on themes of gender and race. There's definitely a lot of feminist themes in the two films but they aren't nearly as perfect or progressive as they're made out to be and it seems like because the first film was criticized for not having any POC characters living in Arendelle, they made extra efforts to show black and brown people as citizens this time around.

nomad2010 wrote:

farerb wrote:I don't think Elsa was supposed to die permanently. Disney would have never taken that risk. I also don't think they have a third film planned right now, I'm sure there will be one, but I don't think they mapoed the details. I also think that Evil/Morally Ambiguous Elsa is something that they will never do. Disney don't take risks anymore.

From everything I’ve read about those screenings, she was dead but they showed hints she could come back in a third movie somehow.

Also when I say evil, I mean something magical corrupts her and Anna would have to save her from it. Seeing her turned villain not by choice, which is the only they they’d do it. And with a third film, I think they could take a risk like that. But at this point I don’t see the need for any more story in this world. It will just end up being a never ending “let’s answer this question we accidentally made or this plot hole we didn’t intend to create” instead of something cohesive.

Yeah, I can't see Disney ever making Elsa into a villain either, even if it's because she's corrupted from an outside influence. That would feel a bit too much like the first film. Not to mention, we've seen how Maleficent, an actual villain, was rendered in live-action and in two separate films, Disney chickened out from making her evil. No way they do that with a cash cow like Elsa whose reputation they want to be pristine.

I wish there was a way we could see the screening ending. I find it more believable that Elsa would die but then come back to life by transcending into a higher power, the fifth spirit, making her beyond human. This would also explain why Elsa and Anna have to be separated now. The idea that Elsa would die from being frozen and that was the last we ever saw of her in the film seems bizarre to me especially since a lot of people still don't understand why she froze in the first place.

DisneyFan97 wrote:I have been redaing on this forum since at least late 2010 when i was 14 yeras old. So it has been intersting following Frozen fom beingannounced on December23th 2011 to it beacime mega hit. And seeing hiow much it changed.Wheni was heard the plot syummary in latw 2011 i was hopeing Elsa wouldbecome the next great show stoping Disney villan in the samevine as Ursula. Boy was i WRONG !

Still really liked the movie though.

Yes, even though I loved what we did end up getting with Frozen, I had also been very excited for Bette Midler at the time. I didn't realize you'd been reading the forum that long.

Article and video about singer Aurora's participation in the movie.

And the last episode of the "For Scores" podcast with Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfU3f6SmIw4

DisneyFan97 wrote:I have been redaing on this forum since at least late 2010 when i was 14 yeras old. So it has been intersting following Frozen fom beingannounced on December23th 2011 to it beacime mega hit. And seeing hiow much it changed.Wheni was heard the plot syummary in latw 2011 i was hopeing Elsa wouldbecome the next great show stoping Disney villan in the samevine as Ursula. Boy was i WRONG !

Still really liked the movie though.

Haha, it's so funny how it happened like that! Glad you do enjoy the movie after all.

JeanGreyForever wrote:I wish there was a way we could see the screening ending. I find it more believable that Elsa would die but then come back to life by transcending into a higher power, the fifth spirit, making her beyond human. This would also explain why Elsa and Anna have to be separated now. The idea that Elsa would die from being frozen and that was the last we ever saw of her in the film seems bizarre to me especially since a lot of people still don't understand why she froze in the first place.

Your idea for her becoming the fifth spirit to live is perfect! And yes, why did she freeze?

Thought I would share these pics of the dazzling Saks Fifth Ave window displays. These are so amazing!

One of the windows has the ending spoiler so beware!

https://tenshichan1013.tumblr.com/post/ ... ue-display

Those windows are absolutely gorgeous especially the spoiler one. They're all over Instagram too. On Tumblr, Anna fans are angry that she's only featured in one while Elsa is in most of them.

^

Can we expect some epic rant from our queen coming soon?

I'm expecting and looking forward to that. She seems to sniff out cases where her favorites have been underplayed so I'm sure it's coming.

Why Ralph not #1 in the World

I went back and looked and "Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald" was the #1 movie in the world the week that "Ralph Breaks the Internet" opened. But Ralph 2 also had the standard staggered roll-out Disney often uses for their animated films.

They're doing something different with "Frozen 2" and it's already been released in most of its markets already. The only remaining markets are some European countries on Christmas and Brazil and Argentina in the beginning of January. "Frozen 2" probably has the fastest roll-out of any Disney animated movie I can recall. Previously, some countries have had to wait until February to see Disney's newest animated film.

I already loved The Crimes of Grindelwald but now I love it even more since it stopped WIR2 from being #1 in the world. Not that this would stop Disney from branding it as such since they already had promotional material declaring it the Oscar winner which was pretty laughable even by Disney's standards.

According to BoxOfficeMojo, Frozen II, in 7 Days has already out grossed the entire Domestic run of Ralph Breaks the Internet! F2 has $202 million to Ralph 2's $201 million

Special look behind the music of Frozen 2 with the songwriters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S14k8w72urQ

And music video for the Chinese end-credits version of "All Is Found": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6oghEaAU18

Watched it again for the second time and I equally love it just as I did the first time with me noticing things I didn't before. I really appreciate the fact that the sequel didn't repeat the first film, while also being it's own thing without resorting to recycling or trashing the arcs of the characters which many Hollywood movie sequels have been guilty of.

Also, it's kind of ironic that both Frozen II and Mary Poppins Returns are in the mid to high 70s percentage on Rotten Tomatoes when it comes to the critics.