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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:44 pm
by DancingCrab
That article made me ill.
Disney is clearly not expecting Tangled to be a big hit or they wouldn't be throwing in the towel on the genre before it's release. But if THIS is the current powers that be's feeling and attitude toward fairy tales, then they need to not produce anymore. I would rather 10 years from now when someone else is in charge who won't change classic titles around and actually has some faith in the genre is running things. What we need is a new Howard Ashman.
sad.
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:17 pm
by toonaspie
I think he was just irritated with the massive amt of fairytales in the production pipeline, I would be too. The suits needs to stop this Renaissance Resurrection nonsense! They need to focus more on creating a new generation of animation instead of trying to go back in time to the glory days.
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:24 pm
by taoayumu
toonaspie wrote:
I think he was just irritated with the massive amt of fairytales in the production pipeline, I would be too. The suits needs to stop this Renaissance Resurrection nonsense! They need to focus more on creating a new generation of animation instead of trying to go back in time to the glory days.
I kinda expected to hear that Disney will not be doing fairy tales for a while after Tangled, but I wouldn't say they never do one eventually.
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:54 pm
by wafflenugget
"By the time they're 5 or 6, they're not interested in being princesses," said Dafna Lemish, chairwoman of the radio and TV department at Southern Illinois University and an expert in the role of media in children's lives. "They're interested in being hot, in being cool. Clearly, they see this is what society values."
What? Seriously? Why would you continue to promote those values? It's really sad to think that this is where society is going.
I think it's silly that they're deciding to close the door on fairy tale adaptations. If they have a great story, they should go with it regardless of whether it's a fairy tale or not. I do understand why though. They've done so many things based off of preexisting stories. It'd be nice to see more original stories. Whatever they decide to do though, I hope they do go up from here. The most recent Disney film I've truly enjoyed was Lilo and Stitch :\
Scans from Rapunzel's Journal. There's only one spoiler about Flynn starting on the page titled The Perfect Day and onward:
http://community.livejournal.com/d_prin ... tml#cutid1
Poor thing, she named trees from the forest
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:04 pm
by RyGuy
As of late, I'm just not that impressed with John Lasseter. When it was announced that he was going to be heading Disney animation, I think a number of fans cheered that he was going to save WDAS. Yet, instead it seems like most of what he has done so far is to turn these projects (i.e., Bolt and Reboot Ralph) into wannabe Pixar movies.
I love Pixar movies as much as the next guy, but to me they have a different vibe than the animated classics. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that they're different.
In my opinion, copying the Pixar formula isn't going to work. It's just going to leave the public with the impression that Disney is a copycat, and frankly, not a very good one.
I don't think that their problem is genre so much as it is relatability. When I was in high school, my best friend and I went to see
Oliver & Co. and people looked at us like we were losers. The following year,
The Little Mermaid came out and all of a sudden it was cool to like Disney movies. I think the difference was that
The Little Mermaid had something for everyone. Teenagers related to Ariel's frustration at an overbearing parent. Parents related to the cognitive dissonance of wanting to protect your children and then sometimes realizing you've gone too far. Grandparents related to their fond memories of seeing
Cinderella and
Sleeping Beauty. The soundtrack was fun because it had Calypso and Reggae influences.
As of late, Disney seems to make movies that are relatable to just one demographic, who usually aren't that interested in seeing the movie. The worst example was making Jim Hawkins a skater-type in
Treasure Planet. Skaters weren't interested, and most everyone else couldn't relate.
I was hoping that
Tangled might be able to capture some of what
The Little Mermaid did, in that teenagers could relate to the desire for freedom, parents could relate to propensity to try to manipulate their children to produce certain behaviors and those of us who fondly remember Disney animation from our youth would relate to the nostalgia/euphoria.
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:17 pm
by pap64
RyGuy wrote:As of late, Disney seems to make movies that are relatable to just one demographic, who usually aren't that interested in seeing the movie. The worst example was making Jim Hawkins a skater-type in Treasure Planet. Skaters weren't interested, and most everyone else couldn't relate.
This.
This is the problem with the company right now. They target demographics way too much. We have two channels, one for boys and one for girls. The Pirates sell strongly to boys while Princesses sell for girls. So their movies are often confused as to who they want to sell.
Bolt was obviously for everybody, but the strong emphasis on the action tells me they wanted boys to watch this, while the casting of Miley Cyrus tells me they wanted young girls as well. Princess and the Frog tried too hard to sell itself for hardcore Disney fanatics who longed for classic animation and thus ended performing poorly. Now, Tangled is being sold as a hip, animated tale with hopes of men and boys being primary attendees.
The Little Mermaid was for everybody. Beauty and the Beast everybody loved regardless of age and gender. Aladdin was a sensation, Nightmare Before Christmas is a big cult film, and The Lion King had EVERYBODY happy and giddy. None of these movies were created and sold towards an specific demographic. They were successful because everyone had something to like about them.
These newer movies, while good, had a stench of being driven by the marketing department.
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:25 pm
by DisneyJedi
Oh, geez. I feel sick.
Hopefully, it WON'T be the case if Tangled ends up being a success. I mean, the movie has a budget of $80 million. So it should be easy to make back.
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:42 pm
by Polizzi
Since Disney is not going to do movies based on fairy tales anymore, I wish I could produce my own animated movies based on fairy tales that will be more of an epic type, like, "The Lord of the Rings." That way, it can really attract a wider audience. That is something I like to do that could be my dream, like Rapunzel who wanted to see the lights. Who knows, it could persuade Disney to return to creating animated movies based on fairy tales...maybe. But that was just a thought, but I still could not stop imagining what would it be like to create my own animated movies based on fairy tales. It would be like a dream come true, just has Walt Disney made his dream come true till his death.
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:50 pm
by wafflenugget
DisneyJedi wrote:
Hopefully, it WON'T be the case if Tangled ends up being a success. I mean, the movie has a budget of $80 million. So it should be easy to make back.
I thought I read somewhere that they didn't want to comment on the budget. Where did you find that figure?
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:50 pm
by Polizzi
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Another positive review. They reinforced the fact that the dialogue is a little modern, but the film doesn't have pop culture references like Shrek. One of the guys even said the film is about 70% BatB in the way that it feels.
Sorry to bring this up even though we have discussed this many times, but I just love how one guy said that it is better off, "Rapunzel," than, "Tangled." And I know, I know, Disney changed the name, and that is final. I know. We all miss the name, "Rapunzel," very much, but we just got to move on forward after what Disney did is done. But look at the bright side, at least it is called, "Rapunzel," in other nations, including Singapore, Indonesia, Netherlands, and other nations that bear the name. Once it comes out on DVD, we can just buy it online from other nations than here, and enjoy it. To me, just for kicks, I will rent, "Tangled," here in the United States to cheer Disney up.
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:51 pm
by DisneyJedi
Polizzi wrote:
Since Disney is not going to do movies based on fairy tales anymore, I wish I could produce my own animated movies based on fairy tales that will be more of an epic type, like, "The Lord of the Rings." That way, it can really attract a wider audience. That is something I like to do that could be my dream, like Rapunzel who wanted to see the lights. Who knows, it could persuade Disney to return to creating animated movies based on fairy tales...maybe. But that was just a thought, but I still could not stop imagining what would it be like to create my own animated movies based on fairy tales. It would be like a dream come true, just has Walt Disney made his dream come true till his death.
The only thing that can convince them is how much money Tangled will make. Hopefully, if Tangled makes a LOT of money against its $80 million budget- which I HOPE it is-, then that'll convince Disney to hopefully continue making animated fairy tales.
As for the Lord of the Rings thing, Ralph Bakshi tried his hand at it, but it wasn't really great. Besides, since Peter Jackson already DID his take on LOTR and many people felt it does the books justice, then another adaptation won't really be necessary, IMO.
C'mon, Disney! If it weren't for your animated fairy tales, such as Snow White, Cinderella, The Little Mermaid or The Princess and the Frog, where would you be now?!
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:29 pm
by Polizzi
DisneyJedi wrote:Polizzi wrote:
Since Disney is not going to do movies based on fairy tales anymore, I wish I could produce my own animated movies based on fairy tales that will be more of an epic type, like, "The Lord of the Rings." That way, it can really attract a wider audience. That is something I like to do that could be my dream, like Rapunzel who wanted to see the lights. Who knows, it could persuade Disney to return to creating animated movies based on fairy tales...maybe. But that was just a thought, but I still could not stop imagining what would it be like to create my own animated movies based on fairy tales. It would be like a dream come true, just has Walt Disney made his dream come true till his death.
The only thing that can convince them is how much money Tangled will make. Hopefully, if Tangled makes a LOT of money against its $80 million budget- which I HOPE it is-, then that'll convince Disney to hopefully continue making animated fairy tales.
As for the Lord of the Rings thing, Ralph Bakshi tried his hand at it, but it wasn't really great. Besides, since Peter Jackson already DID his take on LOTR and many people felt it does the books justice, then another adaptation won't really be necessary, IMO.
C'mon, Disney! If it weren't for your animated fairy tales, such as Snow White, Cinderella, The Little Mermaid or The Princess and the Frog, where would you be now?!
I must agree. Disney is always well known for adapting fairy tales into animated movies. Even though other companies, like Warner Bros. presenting a Don Bluth film, "Thumbalina," but Disney can create better stories based on fairy tales for movies. If Disney did make some money at a price range from $300 million to $500 million or more worldwide, maybe Disney might reconsider about not making anymore animated movies based on fairy tales, and green-lit, "The Snow Queen." I am sure that it will make some money, but it can be a very great challenge to not only get a wider audience, but to compete against, "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1." I believe that they are both going to do great, despite the budget and reviews. By the way, fairy tales are books, but more like short stories.
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:43 pm
by DisneyJedi
wafflenugget wrote:DisneyJedi wrote:
Hopefully, it WON'T be the case if Tangled ends up being a success. I mean, the movie has a budget of $80 million. So it should be easy to make back.
I thought I read somewhere that they didn't want to comment on the budget. Where did you find that figure?
Well, I heard it from various sites. By the way, Don Bluth's adaptation of Thumbelina was distributed by 20th Century Fox, not Warner Bros.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:07 am
by pap64
DisneyJedi wrote:wafflenugget wrote:
I thought I read somewhere that they didn't want to comment on the budget. Where did you find that figure?
Well, I heard it from various sites. By the way, Don Bluth's adaptation of Thumbelina was distributed by 20th Century Fox, not Warner Bros.
Actually, the original theatrical and video release was handled by Warner Bros. The DVD was released by Fox.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:43 am
by singerguy04
First of all, I'd like to point out how hypocritical John Lasseter seems since Brave is coming out of Pixar. True that it's an original tale, but it's bound to have a lot in common with Disney's classic fairy tales!
On another note...to be honest, I don't see why moving away from Fairy Tales is a bad thing. There really aren't too many left that Disney hasn't made that are very familiar. My HUGE disappointment is that the idea of a musical seems to only be attached to fairy tales. Since when did a musical have that kind of limitation? The Lion King isn't a fairy tale after all. Why not keep musicals alive? IMO, it's something that sets Disney apart from Dreamworks and Pixar completely. Heck, what other CGI musicals are there aside from Tangled?
BTW, I went to go see The Lion King in Chicago this evening and prior to the show I was able to got to a new Disney store on State Street across from Macys. It's really cool because it's set up with the new design. Anyhow I found the Graphic Novel there and picked it up! I Love it!!! There were only 4 or 5 left.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:14 am
by Fairytales
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A video on the French dubbing. From 3:32 to 3:51, there's new footage of the I See the Light scene./
Oh god. Tried to replace the French I see the Light with the English I see the Light while watching from 3:32. FINALLY they give us footage of that song with them singing-I don't CARE if it's a dub.
OHMYGOSH OHMYGOSH THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:43 am
by Fairytales
i made a small clip with the footage and the english dub of 'i see the light' under it, it's only 16 seconds but still
if i knew how to post the clip here..
I uploaded it onto youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-XM2mmwmI
i don't know how to post the clip here like that, so i posted the url
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:38 am
by DisneyDude2010
So yesterday i went to see Harry Potter 7 and whilst we where waiting to enter the trailer for Tangled came up on the screen, My friends said it looked like shrek with the wanted posters and all, which really upset me. But everyone loved it!!!
Come out of the 3 hour film harry potter A cardboard thing of tangled was standing in the corner with basically the same character poses from the international trailer their where to wanted posters one with flynn and the other was cut put able for people to have their wanted photo taken.. LOADS AND LOADS OF People where queing up to have their photos!! and it was really popular
i'll try and upload a photo late on today
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:46 am
by Patrick
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/tangled/
Seven good reviews on rottentomatoes.com so far.
That aside, I'm so so excited for this movie.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:02 am
by Fairytales
DisneyDude2010 wrote:So yesterday i went to see Harry Potter 7 and whilst we where waiting to enter the trailer for Tangled came up on the screen, My friends said it looked like shrek with the wanted posters and all, which really upset me. But everyone loved it!!!
Come out of the 3 hour film harry potter A cardboard thing of tangled was standing in the corner with basically the same character poses from the international trailer their where to wanted posters one with flynn and the other was cut put able for people to have their wanted photo taken.. LOADS AND LOADS OF People where queing up to have their photos!! and it was really popular
i'll try and upload a photo late on today
Cool! Nice to hear that it's so popular