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Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:50 pm
by Disney's Divinity
I would rather the hair was digitally done, since they're underwater and it needs to be moving, but I guess that is asking a lot. :lol: The first wig is better with the slant. Thank God it doesn't seem enormous like Sherie Scott's ridiculous wig from the musical. Still, I wish there was a dash of gray in there, too.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:11 pm
by Sotiris
Disney's Divinity wrote:I would rather the hair was digitally done, since they're underwater and it needs to be moving, but I guess that is asking a lot.
But the hair is going to be digitally-created. These tests were done before they decided to go "full CGI" for the hair.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:33 pm
by Disney's Divinity
Oh, good! ^_^

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:39 am
by nomad2010
Disney Duster wrote:I like the first wig. But, um...Melissa McCarthy isn't old enough to have white hair! Would they age her with make-up? I would imagine that would be hard to make look good. Anyway, they are going full CGI with Ursula? Will she be a mo-cap performance?!!! Was that how the Genie was done?!!!
No no, they just meant that they were doing the hair fully CGI! Don’t worry. I cannot see them going completely CGI for her like they did genie. That was done specifically because Guy Ritchie wanted Will’s body to be a buff 70’s dad bod. With Ursula. Her upper half is fully human and unless they plan on making her fuller figured than Melissa currently is, I can’t see them going that route. I’m sure she’ll have all kinds of make up and such done to her. Prosthetics even. Maybe some digital aging or who knows.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:49 am
by Farerb
Ursula doesn't really have to be old.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:32 am
by Disney Duster
nomad2010 wrote:No no, they just meant that they were doing the hair fully CGI! Don’t worry. I cannot see them going completely CGI for her like they did genie. That was done specifically because Guy Ritchie wanted Will’s body to be a buff 70’s dad bod. With Ursula. Her upper half is fully human and unless they plan on making her fuller figured than Melissa currently is, I can’t see them going that route. I’m sure she’ll have all kinds of make up and such done to her. Prosthetics even. Maybe some digital aging or who knows.
Oh, just the hair will be CGI? Are we sure? I am not saying you are wrong, I am just wondering if we are 100% sure it's just the hair.
farerb wrote:Ursula doesn't really have to be old.
I know! But they were giving her white wigs, indicating her being old. Then again, Sherie Rene Scott had a white wig in the Broadway show and she wasn't really old there either. I don't know. A white-haired middle-aged Ursula in a movie?

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:02 am
by DisneyFan97
Disney Duster wrote:
nomad2010 wrote:No no, they just meant that they were doing the hair fully CGI! Don’t worry. I cannot see them going completely CGI for her like they did genie. That was done specifically because Guy Ritchie wanted Will’s body to be a buff 70’s dad bod. With Ursula. Her upper half is fully human and unless they plan on making her fuller figured than Melissa currently is, I can’t see them going that route. I’m sure she’ll have all kinds of make up and such done to her. Prosthetics even. Maybe some digital aging or who knows.
Oh, just the hair will be CGI? Are we sure? I am not saying you are wrong, I am just wondering if we are 100% sure it's just the hair.
farerb wrote:Ursula doesn't really have to be old.
I know! But they were giving her white wigs, indicating her being old. Then again, Sherie Rene Scott had a white wig in the Broadway show and she wasn't really old there either. I don't know. A white-haired middle-aged Ursula in a movie?
I am Happy to hear Ursula won’t be CGI. Sounds Ponitless, Why risk to uncanny wally when you don’t have to :lol: :lol:

Melisa already look fairly much like Urusla :)

Altough i think Rebel Wilson would been Better.

Wilson is funnier AND a good singer.

Well at leas she got tp play Urusla in the frisyr live version:)

My dream choices would still have Bette Midler or Nicki Minaj for Ursula !

Still better choice than Lady Gags tough :D rotfl rotfl

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:27 am
by Farerb
Disney Duster wrote:
nomad2010 wrote:No no, they just meant that they were doing the hair fully CGI! Don’t worry. I cannot see them going completely CGI for her like they did genie. That was done specifically because Guy Ritchie wanted Will’s body to be a buff 70’s dad bod. With Ursula. Her upper half is fully human and unless they plan on making her fuller figured than Melissa currently is, I can’t see them going that route. I’m sure she’ll have all kinds of make up and such done to her. Prosthetics even. Maybe some digital aging or who knows.
Oh, just the hair will be CGI? Are we sure? I am not saying you are wrong, I am just wondering if we are 100% sure it's just the hair.
farerb wrote:Ursula doesn't really have to be old.
I know! But they were giving her white wigs, indicating her being old. Then again, Sherie Rene Scott had a white wig in the Broadway show and she wasn't really old there either. I don't know. A white-haired middle-aged Ursula in a movie?
White hair doesn't necessarily mean old. It could be her style

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:49 am
by Jules
DisneyFan97 wrote:My dream choices would still have Bette Midler or Nicki Minaj for Ursula !

Still better choice than Lady Gags tough :D rotfl rotfl
But Nicki Minaj can't sing. Can she? :?

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:51 am
by UmbrellaFish
If not white, what color were you expecting her hair to be, Duster?

I wonder if the plan was to always go CGI and they were just using the wigs as models? I’m team first wig, as well.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:57 am
by DisneyFan97
Jules wrote:
DisneyFan97 wrote:My dream choices would still have Bette Midler or Nicki Minaj for Ursula !

Still better choice than Lady Gags tough :D rotfl rotfl
But Nicki Minaj can't sing. Can she? :?
She is a singer :lol:

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:19 am
by bruno_wbt
DisneyFan97 wrote: She is a singer :lol:

She is not a singer... she is a rapper. And she can't sing.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:55 am
by DisneyFan97
bruno_wbt wrote:
DisneyFan97 wrote: She is a singer :lol:

She is not a singer... she is a rapper. And she can't sing.


Isn’t that the same thing :? :shock: :roll: !!??

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:29 pm
by Disney's Divinity
Actually, Nicki can sing. I've heard a few songs where she does, anyway.
farerb wrote: Ursula doesn't really have to be old.
She doesn’t have to be purple either. But she should.

But I guess we can jot a young Ursula down as more of Marshall’s “faithful” adapting! Why didn't they just make her skinny, too.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:40 pm
by DisneyFan97
Disney's Divinity wrote:Actually, Nicki can sing. I've heard a few songs where she does, anyway.
farerb wrote: Ursula doesn't really have to be old.
She doesn’t have to be purple either. But she should.

But I guess we can jot a young Ursula down as more of Marshall’s “faithful” adapting! Why didn't they just make her skinny, too.
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Marshell isn’t agesist. Remmber Mary Poppins Retruns hade two people over 90 in the main cast AND David Warner :D :) :wink:

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:19 pm
by Disney Duster
farerb wrote:White hair doesn't necessarily mean old. It could be her style
True.
UmbrellaFish wrote:If not white, what color were you expecting her hair to be, Duster?

I wonder if the plan was to always go CGI and they were just using the wigs as models? I’m team first wig, as well.
Yay, first wiggers! Anyway, um, I thought they would use her natural hair color, or maybe something fantastical but that also fit the character, like purple? I think I thought her natural hair color initially, so brown/auburn/whatever color her hair is.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:44 pm
by Farerb
Disney's Divinity wrote:
farerb wrote: Ursula doesn't really have to be old.
She doesn’t have to be purple either. But she should.

But I guess we can jot a young Ursula down as more of Marshall’s “faithful” adapting! Why didn't they just make her skinny, too.
What you consider a "faithful" adaptation is not what I consider a "faithful" adaptation.
I'm going to bring here three examples of adaptations and how they decided to handle the characters they adapted.
1. Jessica Jones: in the comics Killgrave (The Purple Man) actually had a purple skin. However the show had a much more serious tone and they thought that a purple skin would not translate well in a live action show (you see adapting means taking something from one medium and changing it accordingly to another medium with necessary changes so it would fit). Instead of a purple skin, they had him wear purple and they used purple lighting in dark moments.
2. Once Upon A Time: they decided to have Hades on the show, and they wanted him to have flamy hair just like in the movie, and it looked ridiculous, but it's exactly like in the movie so I guess it's more "faithful".
3. Game of Thrones: I won't go into details about what they did right and what they did wrong. There's many they did wrong. However, in the first season, when the show still adapted the books, they had a character named Syrio Forel, which looked nothing like his book counterpart, but George Martin said that it's not important, what's important is that the character remains true to the spirit he was trying to make, and that the actor and the character from the show do that perfectly.
So to me that's what's important - the spirit, the mannerism. So no I don't think Ursula has to bo old, or purple or fat, just like I didn't think the Genie had to be blue. Will she really be true to the spirit of the character though? No I don't think so. Melissa McCarthy is already a miscast in my opinion and I don't have faith in Rob Marshall after Mary Poppins Returns.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:07 am
by Jules
Disney's Divinity wrote:Actually, Nicki can sing. I've heard a few songs where she does, anyway.
That's interesting. Like bruno I was under the impression that she just raps. Still, even if she does sing, I do not expect she would be able to handle the requirements of the music in The Little Mermaid, right?

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:38 am
by Disney's Divinity
@farerb: The second part of my post wasn't directed at you, but in general, which is why I made it a separate paragraph. I apologize if that seemed like a response to you specifically, it was merely an echo to a post I'd made in this thread the previous day. Suffice it to say I don't agree with you, although interesting to see you again defending a re-make just to disagree with me even if you say you hate them all. Anyway, I don't think you can claim to care about the "spirit" of a property and simultaneously slice and dice every single detail from the curtains down to the doorknob--to me, that's simply disrespect and disdain for the property, and deserves the middle finger from its fans. I would have liked this to imitate the original more in the basics like Aladdin and B&tB, but I guess this'll be a case of looking for a few good things within the bad like with Alice and Maleficent. At least it won't prolong itself by getting a sequel the way Mulan will, so it'll be here today and gone tomorrow. What I can say I do agree with you on is that I don't have much faith in Marshall based on MPR though. It wasn't bad, just sort of forgettable. At least I thought most of the actors were well-cast in that film, where everything with this is so-so so far. But I think Miranda has a bigger hand in this than we're seeing, so I put the blame for a lot of that on him.

I don't mind being negative in this thread because this is what Disney deserves really when they trap fans into watching a film by using a franchise they love, and then make the choice to change everything about it, which only enrages them. TLM especially didn't even get done justice on Broadway the way MP, B&tB, Aladdin, Frozen, and TLK did, now its live-action film is going to be a travesty. It sometimes feel that, despite its popularity, TLM gets continually screwed. Reminds me of the 3D theatrical re-release that was cancelled because B&tB’s under-performed. Or how it didn’t get a Platinum Box Set after Cinderella’s likely didn’t sell well. Thank God its Blu-ray releases have had decent restorations; I'm surprised they didn't screw with it on that front, too. :lol: Although I guess they did screw up the ending to the key scene in the film, "Part of Your World," by getting the shots wrong. The majority likely didn't buy get the disc replacements, so now a whole generation is going to grow up with it running that way.
Jules wrote:
That's interesting. Like bruno I was under the impression that she just raps. Still, even if she does sing, I do not expect she would be able to handle the requirements of the music in The Little Mermaid, right?
I think she autotunes herself to a degree. I'd say she can sing at least as well, if not better, than McCarthy. Not as good as Bailey though.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:30 am
by Farerb
Disney's Divinity wrote:I don't agree with you, although interesting to see you again defending a re-make just to disagree with me even if you say you hate them all.
My initial comment wasn't directed at you and you made a comment to me. TBH if I had known the last paragraph wasn't directed to me, I probably wouldn't have bothered. If you care about Ursula being old that's fine. I don't. I don't think it matters to me if she appears as she does in the animated film if she's going to be either a "sweetheart" or "clumsy" or "goofy" or "loud" and not sophisticated like she's in the original anyway, which she will be because those are Melissa McCarthy's characters, but oh well.

I guess that's why I don't like the Beauty and the Beast remake, because it's devoid of context and every meaning even if it "looks" the same.