Page 65 of 93

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:36 pm
by Musical Master
STUNNING! That's all I'm going to say about Elsa's "The Snow Queen" look. Other than that she almost looks like Galadriel now.

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:09 pm
by Sotiris

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:16 am
by DisneyFan09
Luke's spoiler-free review is up: https://www.dvdizzy.com/frozenII-film.html

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:15 am
by Disney's Divinity
Luke is right about the audience of the original film having aged. That may be the reason the story itself seems more mature.

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:11 pm
by taei
I was fortunate enough to get invited to one of the premiers of the movie and I just got out of the movie!

Overall, I would say that if you didn't care for Ralph 2, then you probably will have some issues with Frozen 2... All I can say is that I am definitely starting to not like the way that Disney and Pixar make movies, it just doesn't seem like they are taking the craft seriously. Focusing more on fantastic scattered moments/shorts in a 2 hour span rather than a full complete story.

In particular, I thought that Kristoff's song "Lost in the Wood" was jarring, I would have expected it in a movie like Hercules, but not in this one. I don't know why we suddenly switched to 80s music with 80s music video visuals... It just felt completely out of place and did not serve in the best interest of the movie. I felt as though the integrity of the movie was sacrificed because the writers/directors really liked a small idea that didn't contribute to the character or story.
I think there's a lot of good here, but it has to been seen. There are incredibly good scenes, you just have to sit through a horrible script.

The script is so bad, Kristoff disappears halfway through the movie and I completely forgot about him... AND he's one of my favorite characters!

The songs are pretty bad.. like really, how did anyone in Disney approved of these? They are talk-singing, and not even rhyming most of the time. They're more Frozen Fever than Frozen... I honestly think it's time for Disney to reassess their definition of a musical.

But one thing I really liked about this movie are the characters of Anna and Elsa. They have such wonderful moments and growth, it's pretty spectacular. The movie relies heavily on the psychology of human interaction and dependency, and I'm really surprised that they allowed the characters to be vocal about these things.

The new characters were pretty useless, and they didn't even contribute a single thing to the story... Like none of the new characters actually have any importance, not even the salamander... They don't even factor into the ending.

Lastly, since everyone is ranking the songs:

1. Show Yourself - Idina Menzel really gets to play with her voice here with full force (although I wish there was more belting out)
2. Into the Unknown
3. All is Found
4. The Next Right Thing
5. Lost in the Woods
6. Some Things Never Change
7. When I'm Older

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:40 pm
by Sotiris
Behind-the-scenes featurette.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syg1embpvgc

Japanese commercial featuring original animation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZnzgSRH8Zk

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:16 pm
by Sotiris
Major spoilers of the ending. Beware!

https://yumeka36.tumblr.com/post/189165 ... 2-advanced

Apparently, the ending used to be very different. It was reminiscent to the one in Dark Phoenix. Maybe that's why they changed it.

https://hereisisa.tumblr.com/post/18917 ... he-initial

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:12 pm
by Disney's Divinity
As far as I've read of spoilers, she still does "die" in this film, but she's revived before end credits. Whereas it sounds like originally they were going to end with her death and save her revival for Frozen 3; I can just imagine advertisements for Frozen 3 that would hint at her being alive, too. They probably decided that leaving the film with her "dead" would be too devastating for the children watching. They're probably right. This is still for families, ultimately.

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:31 pm
by Sotiris
Another piece of art by Jin Kim. What I've noticed is when he draws digitally, his linework is not as good. But when he draws with a pencil, it's *Italian chef kiss*. :wink:

Image
Source: https://yumeka36.tumblr.com/post/189163 ... ey-studios

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:58 pm
by Disney's Divinity
To think The Snow Queen was originally planned as a hand-drawn project. Don’t get me wrong, Frozen is pretty for a 3D film, but 3D is just never going to be as beautiful to me as hand-drawn animation. Anna and Elsa would’ve been gorgeous hand-drawn. Who knows if the snowy scenes would’ve been as well-done as in Dalmatians and Bambi though; most of the films post-Walt with winter scenes aren't.

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:54 pm
by taei
Disney's Divinity wrote:As far as I've read of spoilers, she still does "die" in this film, but she's revived before end credits. Whereas it sounds like originally they were going to end with her death and save her revival for Frozen 3; I can just imagine advertisements for Frozen 3 that would hint at her being alive, too. They probably decided that leaving the film with her "dead" would be too devastating for the children watching. They're probably right. This is still for families, ultimately.
So Elsa does “die” but it wasn’t like a choice or sacrifice... I don’t even think kids will know that she died. Olaf on the other hand.... he got bing bonged and it was totally unnecessary and didn’t motivate any character to do something. Both are brought back, but there were a lot of kids in my theater who were more terrified of the sea horse than these scenes.

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:56 pm
by taei
Sotiris wrote:Another piece of art by Jin Kim. What I've noticed is when he draws digitally, his linework is not as good. But when he draws with a pencil, it's *Italian chef kiss*. :wink:


Source: https://yumeka36.tumblr.com/post/189163 ... ey-studios
He’s the only artist I’ve seen who has been able to represent 3D characters into 2D. Really good work! His sketches from frozen 1 are stunning.

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:30 am
by Farerb
I don't know what to think about all this new information. Right now it sounds like a mess. I just hope that the climax is more than just breaking a dam cause that plus Elsa's death and resurrection happening off screen makes it seem like it's going to be anticlimactic.

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:13 am
by robster16
Disney's Divinity wrote:To think The Snow Queen was originally planned as a hand-drawn project. Don’t get me wrong, Frozen is pretty for a 3D film, but 3D is just never going to be as beautiful to me as hand-drawn animation. Anna and Elsa would’ve been gorgeous hand-drawn. Who knows if the snowy scenes would’ve been as well-done as in Dalmatians and Bambi though; most of the films post-Walt with winter scenes aren't.
Have you seen the new Netflix 2D animated movie "Klaus" yet? Directed by the amazing former Disney animator Sergio Pablos. 2D animation has come a LONG way in terms of what they can do with the look and feel, but watching that film made me choke up like no other 3D animated film has been able to do in the last decade or so... It's just something you can't explain...

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:54 am
by Atlantica
I have to say, kind of shocked about how un-singable practically all of the songs are on the soundtrack ?! Like they aren't fully formed or something, I can't put my finger on it. The only one you can really latch onto is 'Some Things Never Change'.

So far my feelings are .... ( after repeated listenings ):

All Is Found : I didn't realise how good her voice was ! She performs beautifully, and I like the lyrics.

Some Things Never Change : Standard recap / intro song. Really dismissed it the first time, as it sounded so vastly different from something like FTFTIF, which is much more 'Classic Disney'. Though it has massively grown on me for sure. Think I prefer 'Next Stop, Anywhere' from Tangled: The Series. It's just that sort of song really.

Into The Unknown : Bit too much shrieking for me, especially when she really goes off on one, with "...into the unknooowwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn" ... It is catchy in the sense that you can repeat 'into the unknown' a lot of times, but it isn't another Let It Go that's for sure.

When I Am Older : :? Just why ... it saddens me massively that Olaf gets YET ANOTHER song, and Anna has yet to receive a fully fledged song for herself ( I don't count the Next Right Thing ).

Lost in the Woods : I loved this one, but it doesn't fit at all with the style of film / songs at all. As mentioned, Hercules or even Aladdin or something zany like that it would work in, just not here. But not to discredit the song, as I really enjoy it.

Show Yourself : You can't sing along to it ! It's partly talking, partly singing, yelling with a chorus, then it ends. Feels really really messy, like a first draft of an idea of a song that they ran out of time to finesse. But, from what I'm reading, the visuals will be amazing to go along with it so it might make more sense.

The Next Right Thing : The ONLY Anna song ?! She has such a lovely voice, I thought for sure they would have a duet with Elsa, or Kristoff, or anything like that. But yet again she sings a bit in the opening number as she did in TFTIF, then this one. This can't surely be categorised as a song ? It's like a Rex Harrison 'talking song'. The emotion she puts behind it is incredible, and this isn't slight on her, but it just isn't a good song. It isn't catchy or hum-a-ble or anything like that.

So overall, it isn't as good as the first ( and the first isn't my favourite Disney Musical soundtrack by far ), but there are some good moments. Kristen Bell is woefully underused. . . I can't get over Olaf having yet another song, and she doesn't have a 'I Want' Princess moment song or anything like that. Such a massive shame. Really missed something uplifting and happy like Love Is An Open Door .... all comes over as a bit bleak and depressing.

But again, once I go and see the film on Friday, I might feel differently :)

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:28 am
by blackcauldron85
Just reading those spoilers on that Tumblr...crying here. I haven't heard anything but ItU yet; with the reviews you guys have given, I'll see the film first! I'm seeing this in about 37 hours, and I'm super excited!!!

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:41 am
by JeanGreyForever
farerb wrote:I don't know what to think about all this new information. Right now it sounds like a mess. I just hope that the climax is more than just breaking a dam cause that plus Elsa's death and resurrection happening off screen makes it seem like it's going to be anticlimactic.
Maybe I'm a little confused from all the different spoiler reports I've read, but does she really both die and resurrect offscreen? That seems bizarre for such pivotal moments to not even be viewed by audiences.

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:31 am
by Farerb
JeanGreyForever wrote:
farerb wrote:I don't know what to think about all this new information. Right now it sounds like a mess. I just hope that the climax is more than just breaking a dam cause that plus Elsa's death and resurrection happening off screen makes it seem like it's going to be anticlimactic.
Maybe I'm a little confused from all the different spoiler reports I've read, but does she really both die and resurrect offscreen? That seems bizarre for such pivotal moments to not even be viewed by audiences.
I honestly don't know. I'm confused as well.

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:15 am
by taei
farerb wrote:
JeanGreyForever wrote:Maybe I'm a little confused from all the different spoiler reports I've read, but does she really both die and resurrect offscreen? That seems bizarre for such pivotal moments to not even be viewed by audiences.
I honestly don't know. I'm confused as well.
Elsa dies and gets resurrected on screen. It's the same effect as Anna freezing in the first movie.
Olaf is off-screen.... obvs for the kids lol

Re: Frozen 2

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:42 am
by JeanGreyForever
taei wrote:
farerb wrote: I honestly don't know. I'm confused as well.
Elsa dies and gets resurrected on screen. It's the same effect as Anna freezing in the first movie.
Olaf is off-screen.... obvs for the kids lol
Thank you for confirming. I heard we do see Olaf melt onscreen though but maybe I misconstrued that.