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D82 wrote:By the way, since Awkwafina started her career as a rapper, do you think Scuttle's song will feature that style of music? I've just listened to some of her songs and wow, now I understand why Disney cast her.

It doesn't fit Mermaid's music DNA but with LMM involved it's highly probable. I've resigned myself to the fact that at least one character is going to rap in the film. It's probably going to be either Scuttle or Sebastian or both. Sigh.

^Yeah, Sebastian is also a likely candidate to rap in the movie.

Personally, I kind of low-key hope it’s Ursula that gets to rap the same rap Queen Latifah did during Poor Unfortunate Souls in The Little Mermaid Live.

A rap is likely considering LMM incorporated it into Mary Poppins Returns as well.

JeanGreyForever wrote:A rap is likely considering LMM incorporated it into Mary Poppins Returns as well.

Are people still saying this nonsense in 2020? He didn't write a single song from that film.

No, but the songwriters revealed that the only reason there was rapping in the film was because LMM was cast. We don't know if this was mandated by the studio or not but there was definitely pressure to make the most of his "talents". It's also possible he requested it himself.

Sotiris wrote:No, but the songwriters revealed that the only reason there was rapping in the film was because LMM was cast. We don't know if this was mandated by the studio or not but there was definitely pressure to make the most of his "talents".

You're a joke.

Old Fish Tale wrote:

JeanGreyForever wrote:A rap is likely considering LMM incorporated it into Mary Poppins Returns as well.

Are people still saying this nonsense in 2020? He didn't write a single song from that film.

I see this posted all the time online about how LMM is responsible for rapping in Mary Poppins Returns and how we're lucky that he didn't get the opportunity in His Dark Materials or Star Wars.

Sotiris wrote: It doesn't fit Mermaid's music DNA but with LMM involved it's highly probable. I've resigned myself to the fact that at least one character is going to rap in the film. It's probably going to be either Scuttle or Sebastian or both. Sigh.

Yes, I've expected one of them will rap, too, because of LMM's involvement. That said, it won't be as weird in TLM as it was in MPR. "Poor Unfortunate Souls" is a sort of rap, similar to the Witch character's part of the opening song in Into the Woods.

I think it's more stupid to waste a song on Scuttle and Triton than anything else. Triton is an important character, but I didn't like any song (or part of a song) the character was given in the Broadway show. And it'll only be worse with an actor who can't sing.

I think the reason Scuttle gets a song is because they want or the studio demanded an Olaf-esque song for the younger audience.

JeanGreyForever wrote:

Old Fish Tale wrote: Are people still saying this nonsense in 2020? He didn't write a single song from that film.

I see this posted all the time online about how LMM is responsible for rapping in Mary Poppins Returns and how we're lucky that he didn't get the opportunity in His Dark Materials or Star Wars.

Well, there's lot of ignorance and hate online if you look hard enough for them.

He was hired as an actor on those projects, but not on this one. Learn the difference.

Old Fish Tale wrote:

JeanGreyForever wrote: I see this posted all the time online about how LMM is responsible for rapping in Mary Poppins Returns and how we're lucky that he didn't get the opportunity in His Dark Materials or Star Wars.

Well, there's lot of ignorance and hate online if you look hard enough for them.

He was hired as an actor on those projects, but not on this one. Learn the difference.

It's harder to not find the hate if we're being honest.

I'm hardly one of LMM's haters on this forum. I was just pointing out that rap music in this remake is likely because of LMM's involvement and used MPR as a prior example. Please do your research and keep your diatribes for those who need them. Jumping to the conclusion that anyone who mentions LMM's name on here is automatically a hater makes you just as complicit.

JeanGreyForever wrote:It's harder to not find the hate if we're being honest.

I'm hardly one of LMM's haters on this forum. I was just pointing out that rap music in this remake is likely because of LMM's involvement and used MPR as a prior example. Please do your research and keep your diatribes for those who need them. Jumping to the conclusion that anyone who mentions LMM's name on here is automatically a hater makes you just as complicit.

Except there was a rap sequence in 'Jolly Holiday' too.

I'm not saying you're a hater. But Sotiris clearly is and he's been spinning that story of Lin-Manuel's power over 'Mary Poppins Returns' for a long time. He had as much input on the soundtrack as the other actors who sang in that film did.

But with 'The Little Mermaid', it's clearly different since he's producing it and writing new songs for it.

I have no idea why Scuttle is getting a song of all characters. The Broadway show, yes. The TV show, sure, cute. But, a movie? I know Scuttle will be getting a much bigger role since he she is now a sea creature, but how much more screen time?

And if someone is going to get an unnecessary rap song, it'll be 100% Sebastian with Daveed Diggs voicing him.

disneyprincess11 wrote:I have no idea why Scuttle is getting a song of all characters. The Broadway show, yes. The TV show, sure, cute. But, a movie? I know Scuttle will be getting a much bigger role since he she is now a sea creature, but how much more screen time?

And if someone is going to get an unnecessary rap song, it'll be 100% Sebastian with Daveed Diggs voicing him.

The power Awkwafina has over this film!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z726OPwCnjE

Personally, I don't hate Lin-Manuel Miranda or rap (that doesn't mean I'm a big fan of him or the musical style either). I just prefer there's no rap when it doesn't make sense to have it, because it's anachronistic, for example. In Mary Poppins Returns, the excuse they gave to include it was that there was a similar music style in London at that time (I don't remember its name now). I don't know if that's true or how similar to rap it was, but if it's historically accurate, then I don't see any problem with them using it there.

Regarding who decided to have rap in the film, I guess people expect that from a movie with Li-Manuel, so it could also be the director or the composers who came up with the idea. Though the other options are likely too.

disneyprincess11 wrote:I have no idea why Scuttle is getting a song of all characters. The Broadway show, yes. The TV show, sure, cute. But, a movie? I know Scuttle will be getting a much bigger role since he she is now a sea creature, but how much more screen time?

Well, Scuttle had not one but two songs in the Broadway show, so personally I don't find it that surprising that he'll have a song in the remake.

Old Fish Tale wrote:

JeanGreyForever wrote:It's harder to not find the hate if we're being honest.

I'm hardly one of LMM's haters on this forum. I was just pointing out that rap music in this remake is likely because of LMM's involvement and used MPR as a prior example. Please do your research and keep your diatribes for those who need them. Jumping to the conclusion that anyone who mentions LMM's name on here is automatically a hater makes you just as complicit.

Except there was a rap sequence in 'Jolly Holiday' too.

I'm not saying you're a hater. But Sotiris clearly is and he's been spinning that story of Lin-Manuel's power over 'Mary Poppins Returns' for a long time. He had as much input on the soundtrack as the other actors who sang in that film did.

But with 'The Little Mermaid', it's clearly different since he's producing it and writing new songs for it.

Yes and I think LMM correctly defended the rap because in the final product, I didn't even realize it was a rap. There was a lot of backlash when it was first announced that he was rapping in the film because most people have a very specific idea of what rap is and that connotation usually doesn't gel with a period picture like Mary Poppins so him explaining how it wasn't anachronistic at all was much necessary.

As for Scuttle's song, I'm not sure why so many people are surprised that Scuttle is getting a song. You don't hire a rising star like Awkwafina and not give her a song (although then again Enchanted didn't give Idina Menzel one).

I didn't even interpret his section of "A Cover Is Not A Book" as rap. It's a lot closer to Dick van Dyke listing off the names in "Jolly Holiday" or the song "You Got Trouble" in The Music Man than what you might hear in "Hamilton."

Disney's Divinity wrote:

Sotiris wrote: It doesn't fit Mermaid's music DNA but with LMM involved it's highly probable. I've resigned myself to the fact that at least one character is going to rap in the film. It's probably going to be either Scuttle or Sebastian or both. Sigh.

Yes, I've expected one of them will rap, too, because of LMM's involvement. That said, it won't be as weird in TLM as it was in MPR. "Poor Unfortunate Souls" is a sort of rap, similar to the Witch character's part of the opening song in Into the Woods.

I think it's more stupid to waste a song on Scuttle and Triton than anything else. Triton is an important character, but I didn't like any song (or part of a song) the character was given in the Broadway show. And it'll only be worse with an actor who can't sing.

Poor Unfortunate Souls is German Cabaret xD

Technically its official genre is "Broadway-style Musical," but I stand by the statement that there are rap aspects to the song, particularly the latter half. It also has qualities of burlesque and cabaret, more than rap, but I didn't realize something this so-what-who-cares was going to cause an argument.