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Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:17 am
by estefan
DisneyEra wrote:Also, Get a Horse could be only the 2nd Mickey Mouse short to win an Oscar this March joining Lend a Paw.
Still pissed Runaway Brain didn't win back in '95
Not a Wallace & Gromit fan, I assume?
I do think of all of the Mickey Mouse cartoons, Mickey's Christmas Carol was the most deserving. Not only is that my favourite Christmas Carol adaptation, but it personally towered over the competition that year, in my opinion.
As much as I love Runaway Brain, I think A Close Shave was a deserving winner, but I'm also a big Wallace & Gromit fan.
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:52 am
by DisneyEra
I haven't seen any of the Wallace & Gromit shorts in a long time. But this would have been only the 2nd Oscar for Mickey Mouse in 54 years. W&C already won an animated short Oscar 2 years earlier for The Wrong Trousers.
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:19 pm
by TsWade2
Speaking of Mickey Mouse, when some people such as me are dying for hand drawn animated film, do you think maybe Get a Horse will give people and the drama queen bloggers the exact message?
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:42 pm
by thedisneyspirit
TsWade2 wrote:Speaking of Mickey Mouse, when some people such as me are dying for hand drawn animated film, do you think maybe Get a Horse will give people and the soap opera fanatic bloggers the exact message?
Who here watches soap opera?
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:27 pm
by Elladorine
thedisneyspirit wrote:TsWade2 wrote:Speaking of Mickey Mouse, when some people such as me are dying for hand drawn animated film, do you think maybe Get a Horse will give people and the soap opera fanatic bloggers the exact message?
Who here watches soap opera?
I don't think he was being literal, just using the term as a reference for drama queens.
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:19 pm
by thelittleursula
thedisneyspirit wrote:TsWade2 wrote:Speaking of Mickey Mouse, when some people such as me are dying for hand drawn animated film, do you think maybe Get a Horse will give people and the soap opera fanatic bloggers the exact message?
Who here watches soap opera?
Me sometimes, when bored and don't have any work to do
Get a Horse could make a impact, but I doubt it because the past few times I've gone to see Frozen, all the kids and parents look really confused and lost. It could be different in American audiences though.
A kid during one screening shouted out loud " Who's that " ?
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:21 pm
by Musical Master
enigmawing wrote:thedisneyspirit wrote:
Who here watches soap opera?
I don't think he was being literal, just using the term as a reference for drama queens.
Drama queens? Where??
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:23 pm
by Sotiris
This is what 2D animators are doing at Disney now.
Q: So what is done 2D right now, if anything [at WDAS]?
Dale Baer: Nothing.
Q: Boards?
Dale Baer: Just tests for character riggers for CG.
Source:
http://www.thecornerbooth.net/2014/01/0 ... dale-baer/
Q: What’s a typical day like for you with regards to your job?
Frans Vischer: It varies. At the moment I am working in development, doing design work and 2D animation tests for films in development.
Source:
http://www.animationinsider.com/2014/05 ... #more-6892
Randy Haycock wrote:I’m currently working on some tests for the upcoming “Moana”.
Source:
http://randyhaycock.tumblr.com/post/109 ... -they-made
Q: Do you know if Moana is going to be CGI animated or 2D animated?
Randy Haycock: Moana will be CG. The only 2D will be the exploratory test I and a few other 2D animators are doing.
Source:
http://randyhaycock.tumblr.com/post/110 ... i-animated
Randy Haycock wrote:The tests were (and are) done to explore characters and animation styles before there are CG models and rigs to animate. It takes months to design, model and rig a CG character, but we can just draw it. So they use us to test the character and to (hopefully) inspire the CG animators while they work on the rigs. Often an animator will use the tests to show the rigger what they want the character to be able to do, how they want the character to be able to move. Some things that are simple to do in drawn animation are super difficult in CG. But if we can show them what we want in a hand drawn test, they can work on making it work in CG.
Source:
http://randyhaycock.tumblr.com/post/110 ... -i-have-to
Q: You say that most of the 2-D veterans will be helping with the character exploration animations. Out of curiosity, would one of said veterans be Mr. Eric Goldberg?
Randy Haycock: He is doing some 2D tests for Moana. That’s all I can say.
Source:
http://randyhaycock.tumblr.com/post/111 ... of-getting
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:37 pm
by TsWade2
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:44 pm
by Musical Master
It would've been worse if 2-D was not used AT ALL. So using it for character rigs for the CG films isn't so bad.
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:01 pm
by TsWade2
Musical Master wrote:It would've been worse if 2-D was not used AT ALL. So using it for character rigs for the CG films isn't so bad.
Oh please! They should of learn to respect the medium, not destroying it! I bet Walt Disney in heaven will make a thunderstorm when he hears that hand drawn is dead.
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:14 pm
by Musical Master
TsWade2 wrote:Musical Master wrote:It would've been worse if 2-D was not used AT ALL. So using it for character rigs for the CG films isn't so bad.
Oh please! They should of learn to respect the medium, not destroying it! I bet Walt Disney in heaven will make a thunderstorm when he hears that hand drawn is dead.
Look, if anything, it's helping the CG films get better and better when it comes to fluid, solid animation on the characters; look at Frozen for example. Besides I don't know where your getting the whole "they should learn to respect the medium" thing, using it to help their films is giving a good amount of respect.
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:44 pm
by TsWade2
Musical Master wrote:TsWade2 wrote:
Oh please! They should of learn to respect the medium, not destroying it! I bet Walt Disney in heaven will make a thunderstorm when he hears that hand drawn is dead.
Look, if anything, it's helping the CG films get better and better when it comes to fluid, solid animation on the characters; look at Frozen for example. Besides I don't know where your getting the whole "they should learn to respect the medium" thing, using it to help their films is giving a good amount of respect.
I mean respect 2D hand drawn animation.
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:46 pm
by Musical Master
Wade, that's what I mean. For Disney still using 2-D hand-drawn animation to use has a reference or, "rigs" for their CG films is still respectful.
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:01 pm
by estefan
I also think the massive success of Frozen (I'm seeing a couple of box-office predictors giving the possibility it could make over A BILLION DOLLARS) will lead to a number of interesting developments at Disney Animation. And yes, I do predict one of those will be renewed confidence in John Lasseter's team making a hand-drawn film.
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:09 pm
by TsWade2
estefan wrote:I also think the massive success of Frozen (I'm seeing a couple of box-office predictors giving the possibility it could make over A BILLION DOLLARS) will lead to a number of interesting developments at Disney Animation. And yes, I do predict one of those will be renewed confidence in John Lasseter's team making a hand-drawn film.
I hope so. Of course, I heard untitled Teenage Space Race Movie that suppose to come in 2018 was cancelled due to story problems. I wonder if hand drawn animation movie might have a chance.
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:31 pm
by unprincess
Im not expecting any full length 2d film in the forseeable future. At most maybe a short 2d dream/song sequence or opening/closing credits for a cgi film.
I do agree that the 2d referencing is one of the things that has greatly improved their cgi compared to other studios. I was blown away by King Candy's animation in WIR, very fluid & expressive!
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:48 pm
by DisneyJedi
Yeah, but I do think that using 2D just for reference to make their CG films seems like a waste of talent/potential.
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:11 pm
by Musical Master
Whenever I see the video of Eric Goldberg's work for King Candy in WIR, I can't help but to think that it is amazing how obviously different they are when it comes to the tools, but the astetic of Candy's animation/character remains.
Re: Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney?
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:29 pm
by TsWade2
Well, they can't use CGI all the time. I mean, come on! If Disney has hand drawn all along, they should of make an official statement so this whole hand drawn controversy will calm down. I don't think John Lasseter, Bob Iger, or any other people in the studio are being honest to themselves about hand drawn. Estefan, I give you effort for being optimistic, but some of hand drawn fans like me are still confused and can't really tell if they do have hand drawn or not. And what about that 2D hand drawn class what it's called. Did they hire any new 2D hand drawn animators?