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DisneyJedi wrote: True, it might be because I only grew up watching them. But it's just that none of them involved a musical score that might be in the style of 60s rock, which I'm not used to from an animated fairy tale.

I wonder if the earlier generation of Disney fans felt the same way when they read that a couple of The Little Mermaid's songs would have a Calypso style to it.

u know, i dont think the older generation had the same kind of power as we to do dictate or influence a movie in the making.the most they could do is read reviews on papers n magazines that confirms the movie has calypso or whatever style music.we r now openly able to voice our dissatisfaction over a movie in progress that we just might as well join the filmmakers team and do as we please

i think 60s rock music is fine..now when we think of rock we think of loud thrashy music most of the time.60s rock r some of the most calmest melodies u can ever hear.i hope they would include themes of peace and love as well. im very much looking forward to it!i wish there are more than 7 songs.the problem with later films is the lack of songs, u wish there were more to quench our thirst for disney songs

as for mother gothel...perhaps by having her lose her own child in the beginning would justify her possesiveness over the stolen child.how much she yearns for an offspring ala kala just that she took it too seriously.

or maybe..its lesbian love?

IagoZazu wrote:Actually, Mother Gothel doesn't sound much like a true villain. True villains never feel love. All she might have is obsession and withdrawl issues over Rapunzel's magic, but she doesn't sound that horrible unless she's just using her. But if she does feel love for Rapunzel, then that really doesn't make her that much of a villain, maybe disgruntled or bitter. Then there's the part where she kidnapped Rapunzel from her real parents, and that's not a good thing at all.

Obsessive love can be just as frightening or maybe even more frightening then obsessive hate, because it's harder to understand why someone can be cruel to someone out of love then out of hate. I think this will be a villain we'll all love to hate. On paper alone she sounds like a rich, diverse character with layers, which is something we don't see very often in a Disney animated feature film where things are often slightly more black and white so it's easy to distinguish good from evil...

on a sidenote, this is a theme that Beauty and the Beast also played with. What seemed evil turned out to be good (Beast) and what looked good turned out to be evil (Gaston)...

Disney's Divinity wrote:
Also, Margos, sorry for all those tech errors I had. I was trying to correct them, but having a dial-up connection isn’t exactly ideal for doing that. I was editing my post about the Beast thing just as you replied. Sorry. I really used Beast because he's one of the only inarguable tragic villain-esque characters Disney's had. I think several other villains (Ursula, Frollo, etc.) are tragic in ways, but most people would want to debate that, which wasn't my point in using a reference. I just didn't want to use a non-Disney example. And I suppose Gothel could be more sympathetic, but for some reason I don't think that's the approach that will be taken with the character. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing--I like a good villainess.

That's OK, we used to have dial-up, too, so I can sympathize! But yeah, I get now why you used the Beast as and example. And I really love the villainesses, too, but I think it would be interesting to have Gothel sympathetic. Well, at least she won't be like Maleficent, who is perfectly aware that she is evil, and rather likes being so. She'll be more of a misguided figure who twists something good into something scary, in this case, love. Sort of like Frollo with religion.

Disney's Divinity wrote:

PatrickvD wrote:
because she's a secondary character.

Mother Gothel's story arc sorta reminds me of Michelle Pfeiffer in Stardust. The obsession with staying young.

I guess your quote cuts off the end of my paragraph because you couldn’t be bothered to read the rest of it. Still, it’s nice to be eye-rolled for no real reason.

You're welcome

Was watching US tv-show Glee and I think cheerleader Quinn, played by Diana Agron would be a perfect model for Rapunzel. She has a softness about her face and posture but also stubborn, confidant and naughty at the same time. In my mind at this point this would be a real life equivalent as to how Rapunzel should look:





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PatrickvD wrote:
You're welcome

Sorry if that sounded snarky, I just have bitter feelings over TP&TF. The only parent we heard of early on was her mother, and then all of a sudden the movie became about Tiana following in a father’s footsteps and finishing his dream. I just get a little depressed when there’s rarely a mother with that kind of influence. Though I guess Disney couldn’t use another dead mother on their track record (though I like to think she could've inspired Tiana and been alive at the same time. ).

To keep this post a little on-topic, something I said earlier about Gothel probably stunting Rapunzel is probably where the story will go. If I remember right, there was something said about, once Rapunzel escapes her tower, she finds life difficult to handle. You know, if the CGI is done well enough, I might really like this movie.

Oh, and I definitely agree about Diana Agron. There’s something defiant and yet lovable, intelligent and beautiful about her.

Disney's Divinity wrote: Oh, and I definitely agree about Diana Agron. There’s something defiant and yet lovable, intelligent and beautiful about her.

I'll pipe up an say, I think so, too! She's very lovely, and definitely has that "Disney Princess" look about her... But with enough attitude to reflect Rapunzel's personality.

FIRST OFFICIAL IMAGE OF RAPUNZEL AND FLYNN! Over at The Italian Disney Forum (scroll down until you reach it).
Many Thanks to Prince Kido and Veu for sharing!
http://disneyvideo.altervista.org/forum ... ntry357609

Oh my God! It looks fantastic! Look at the paintings on the wall! Thanks, dear!

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I think it looks awful.

YAY, first image, we must be getting an official digital version soon now! The publicity machine has started rolling. We'll most likely get more with the Disney year report mid january.

Now about the image. Looks fun, loving the drawings on the walls of the tower, great design. Rapunzel's attitude looks defiant. What I'm not seeing is anything oil painting or even remotely resembling that. The designs are also not earthshatteringly new , possibly even generic and I even dare to say that the design of that piece of test animation looked more advanced, detailed and groundbreaking then what we see in this still here, BUT I'll reserve further judgement untill we see more pics of the characters in portraits. I mean, I need to see Rapunzel in front view with a normal expression on her face before I can really judge her. Flynn doesn't scream DROP DEAD GORGEOUS to me either, on first look, but that might also be because of the cheesy smile on his face.

This also confirms that these pictures are similar to the final design of the characters, in terms of wardrobe, hairstyle, facial structure etc:

for people unable to see it since the pic disappeared from the post itself:

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doesn't impress me. this is not 3d is it..its digital painting right? i like the blurry image in the new orleans exhitbition better because its more solemn.maybe i shld take my glasses off to view this new pic better

CG humans have come a long way. They both look great in my opinion. Rapunzel pulls a weird look here so it's hard to make out. But Flynn looks awesome.

I approve! Flynn definitely looks great, and while Rapunzel does look a little generic here, I agree that we need to wait until we see a frontal picture of her with a happier expression on.

It also appears as if Rapunzel can control what her hair does... like a third arm or something.

That would explain how she can pull people up into the tower withouthaving them rip her hair out

i like the wallpaper.it reminds me of the old ladybird books i had.

although a little reminiscent of prince edward, I think flynn is kinda hot

I'm not disappointed because I was expecting it to look a lot more generic than this. I think it could still look a million times better but to be honest I'm pleasantly surprised that it at least looks as good as it does. It could be a lot worse. But like I said, it could be a LOT better too.