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Is it possible for me to avoid spoilers online while scrolling through twitter. I know on here you guys will post spoilers but I'm not sure if the general public knows about the book.

I take things case by case, but I generally don't like spoilers.

Anyways, in the wake of the trailer, I'm seeing a lot of my viewpoints across both sides of the fence.

I think that Disney's determination to make the ultimate definitive "DISNEY MOVIE" is working against it, in large part owing to how Disney itself doesn't seem to know what its legacy really is. It more or less defines its output by how its worst detractors see the brand. The Mary Sue-ing of their heroines is a solid example of that. Disney doesn't really see their leading female characters as "characters" in their own right so much as "role models," which is why Asha is still up in the air for me.

At the same time, Disney trailers seldom seem to score higher than "mid" for me anyhow. I think the last time a Disney movie sold me (or would have sold me if I wasn't already a dutiful Disney attendee) with nothing but a fashionable trailer was way back with Zootopia. Encanto is a recent example of a Disney offering whose marketing was little more than adequate but actually had a lot going for it once I was able to sit with it. A lot of the nuances that make or break a movie (like whether Asha will have a real personality) probably won't be clear until we see the movie.

I'm fully open to this being the certified Disney classic it's marketing itself as, but this one has some specific hurdles to jump over, and I just won't know whether it can pull this off until it lands.

I’ve been thinking long and hard and reading everyone’s opinions about the trailer and the movie itself, even outside of this forum, like Reddit, and listening to my circle of friends and family’s opinions. I also had to rewatch the trailer multiple times to see if I really enjoyed the premise of it. Almost everyone’s opinions on this movie are more “negative” than "positive,” and I almost had herd mentality when reading them since that’s the majority of what people are saying, but I cleared my mind and composed myself in order to give a fair opinion on the new trailer, so without further ado, here’s it is...

I’m actually not that disappointed that this trailer was a bit unsatisfying and leaned more into the “kiddie” aspect of the movie. Disney Animation has a habit of making the teasers of their upcoming movies reflect the genre they’re pursuing (Raya=Fantasy Action-Adventure, Encanto=Fun Magical Realism, Strange World=Pulpy Adventure) in order to make people interested in the movie and make their trailers more approachable for the younger audiences by putting more juvenile jokes and cliche dialogue. It was okay since they revealed more of the plot and what’s going to happen throughout the movie, and I’m still interested in it. (I didn't expect that Asha would become a fugitive.) The animation is still fine, but it felt like they didn’t have time to polish it out since they felt like they needed to chase a trend of 2D/3D animation. Hopefully, when their next movie comes out, they’ll use this style again, this time more refined.

What they’re wearing and the setting always remind me of the stories in the Bible, which is a positive to me. Also, the character animation is so expressive and fluid, just like in 2D animated movies. The teens look so fun, and it’s good that they’ll have a purpose here in the movie. The set design looks gorgeous! I think the challenge for this movie is how Asha’s belief will be justified since many people (maybe myself included) are siding with King Magnifico’s belief since he has a reasonable explanation as to why he’s doing it. While I’m glad that we got a proper villain back in a Disney film, I fear that this is the kind of movie where the protagonist thinks she’s right and the villain actually has a point in what they’re doing but gets defeated since the protagonist is righteous. I’m also interested in the King and Queen’s dynamic in this movie, whether she’s oblivious to the fact that her husband is evil by hoarding the wishes or she knows and lets Asha know that while playing along with her husband by giving him compliments and stuff.

Overall, I’m still excited to go watch the movie because the premise still interests me, but I’ll be cautiously optimistic about it since this movie can go either way—a great movie or an average but enjoyable one, either one of those will be fine by me.

OK, I’ll admit it: I kind of have a crush on Asha. I can’t help it, she’s just so pretty and nice. Does anyone else feel the same way?

ElMaximo13 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:47 pm OK, I’ll admit it: I kind of have a crush on Asha. I can’t help it, she’s just so pretty and nice. Does anyone else feel the same way?

BTW the “inappropriate language” was actually a reference to Peep Show. Look it up if you don’t believe me.

Farerb wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:38 pm

Yay! I'm still bummed Strange World + Elemental didn't get Pops, but these Wish ones look great.

ElMaximo13 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 11:34 am Pictures of Mattel’s Wish collection, out October 1:
https://toybook.com/mattel-disney-wish- ... on-launch/

Thanks for posting! That's our first look at the Magnifico doll. His cape is not as impressive as in the movie, but I guess he doesn't look bad. Here are some more merch pictures:

Toy Fair 2023
Mattel's Wish collection
Petite Asha Doll
Petite Dahlia Doll
Loveable Light-Up Star & Satchel
Magic Star Playset
Wishing Star Necklace
Asha's Musical Wishing Keepsake Box
Asha plush
Star plush
Valentino plush
Asha Dress

Here are also some bumpers and gifs, as well as artwork from blankets (more on the link):








Source: https://www.amazon.com/236/dp/B0CJZJF2VY/ref=sr_1_238 (via mmdisney200)


Some things I've noticed from the new toy pictures:

Apparently, Star will wear glasses made of yarn at some point. I wonder if it's a joke like the Twitter one in Moana or if he knows things about the future like Merlin or Genie.


Source: https://www.amazon.fr/Disney-Wish-Besac ... ref=sr_1_2

Amaya is pictured with a golden chest in the Daylight Surprise Character Assortment. I wonder if it's of some importance in the movie.



Hal has a pot of honey next to her. Perhaps she's a beekeeper. I bet that'll make for some reference to Winnie the Pooh.



And we already saw Magnifico's scepter in the trailer, but I forgot to say that the way he uses it to create magic reminds me of Jafar's snake staff.

I made a tiktok of the doll. I have to open her yet but I'll post some photos as soon as I do it
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJvoFEnB/

Is she for real? There's no limitations to what you can do on screen with 2D animation. On the contrary, it's CG that has limitations.

“What happens in hand-drawn is that you have the incredible hand of the artist, but also limitations in what you could do on screen,” Lee explained. “What happened in CG is you'd have incredible, boundless opportunities, visually, that elevated it — even to the point for some — into realism, which is not what we wanted to do. The more important thing to us was to have a way to find technology that can do everything. Connect to the true vision of the artist, but bring in technology that could finally take away limitations.”

Source: https://www.ign.com/articles/wish-filmm ... they-didnt

To me the most beautiful animation I’ve ever seen are the films:
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
Pinocchio
Fantasia
Bambi
Lady and the Tramp
Sleeping Beauty


Nothing in CG yet compares to the beauty of those films and the love with which they were created.

She’s blowing smoke, imo.

Im unbiased regarding the artistic choice between choosing Cgi or handdrawn,
But in handdrawn u can literally make your characters do EVERYTHING, change shape fluidly and naturally etc. But in terms of animation, I also think you can do beautiful breathtaking animation with such a visual depth that only Cg can create. For example Spiderverse, the movie (especially 2) looks like moving concept art the art director who inspired the style for SV also worked on some Netflix shorts for "Love Death and Robots" and its shorts "THE WITNESS" and "Jibaro" are stunnig! Really worth a watch! I think it looks like concept art and its really just a screenhot of the short! give also this beautiful handcrafted, painted feeling with depth , even Rapunzel Unbraided and its test footage looks like a beautiful moving baroque painting! really looked like a movie made like the paintings Lisa Keene does and this was almost 20 years ago!!!!!!!! So those movies really took advantage of their technology and justified their artistic direction. You can taste their artistic passion making it! Same with Arcane, also looks like handpainted Cg, same with Mitchells vs the Mashines.

Wish only looks like regular Computer Animation that looks a bit more flat, or like previz how most of you pointed out. But I mean it doesnt look that bad, its just that it doesnt have this depth or handpainted look like the other movies. Its Disneys first step into this direction so I believe their upcoming movies that take artistic risks will look better. But atleast Asha will look on model on every frame

Sotiris wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:42 am There's no limitations to what you can do on screen with 2D animation. On the contrary, it's CG that has limitations.

I agree (I bet most of us do). I know it's probably marketing/"spin" to say things like that, but is she informed on how hand-drawn films are made? I don't mean that in a mean way, but obviously everything is possible in hand-drawn. Some things are easier in CG (I'm thinking vehicles, for example)...

The Disneynerd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:52 am But atleast Asha will look on model on every frame

Do you mean vs. someone like Belle?

blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:56 am

The Disneynerd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:52 am But atleast Asha will look on model on every frame

Do you mean vs. someone like Belle?

blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:56 amI agree (I bet most of us do). I know it's probably marketing/"spin" to say things like that, but is she informed on how hand-drawn films are made? I don't mean that in a mean way, but obviously everything is possible in hand-drawn. Some things are easier in CG (I'm thinking vehicles, for example)

Well, easier ≠ limitation. Yes, some things require more time and work, but literally anything's possible. Conversely, CG is not as time-efficent or filmmaker-friendly as some like to claim. In Moana, the directors couldn't have many transformations for Maui, because each one had to be modeled and rigged and that was time- and cost-prohibitive. Now compare it to the myriad transformations Genie had in Aladdin. Not to mention, if significant changes or retooling needs to happen in the middle of production, or even just small impromptu additions or alterations, it's more expensive and time-consuming to do so with a CG pipeline than a 2D one. To me, it's clear CG has more limitations than 2D in the filmmaking process and I'm not even taking into account issues of fluidity or aesthetics.

The Disneynerd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:52 amBut atleast Asha will look on model on every frame

Rapunzel has like a different face in each scene, so CG does not necessarily eliminate off-modelness. CG models can often look off depending on angle, perspective and expression.

Sotiris wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:28 pm Well, easier ≠ limitation. Yes, some things require more time and work, but literally anything's possible. Conversely, CG is not as time-efficent or filmmaker-friendly as some like to claim. In Moana, the directors couldn't have many transformations for Maui, because each one had to be modeled and rigged and that was time- and cost-prohibitive. Now compare it to the myriad transformations Genie had in Aladdin. Not to mention, if significant changes or retooling needs to happen in the middle of production, or even just small impromptu additions or alterations, it's more expensive and time-consuming to do so with a CG pipeline than a 2D one. To me, it's clear CG has more limitations than 2D in the filmmaking process and I'm not even taking into account issues of fluidity or aesthetics.

I agree with that. I'm very pro-hand-drawn and I think the medium is limitless. I just meant that an argument I could understand (vs. what Lee said) would be if certain "material things" like vehicles were mentioned as being easier in CG. Your examples of Maui vs. Genie obviously prove Lee just doesn't understand what she's talking about.

To me, seeing an actual human's work behind a character, being able to pinpoint which animator was the lead on that character, and witnessing how that character literally comes alive more than makes up for an occasional instance where the character happens to be off-model. I don't mean to imply that CG is done without human input, but it just feels so anonymous and impersonal. Of course, there are 2D movies where off-modelness is distracting to the point of not being able to enjoy the rest of the movie, but I've yet to see that in Disney's hand-drawn animation.

The Disneynerd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:02 am

blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:56 am
Do you mean vs. someone like Belle?

Disney Store dolls will be out tomorrow (Oct. 2) and surprise, surprise ( ) they look better than Mattel's. What's the point of Disney's deal with Mattel when dolls end up looking abysmal?

Disney Wish Doll Set

Disney store's Asha doesn’t look better than Mattel’s one. The gown is better but her head is very small and the face look weird.
The queen however looks fantastic

It's funny how they try to claim that Asha is not a princess but then international marketing releases a poster that says "Princess Asha":



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