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Grrrrrrreat....Just what we need, a white German Shepherd as the main character....I can see a whole new 101 Dalmations fiasco going with breeders inbreeding dogs to get pure white shepherds, that already due to their genetic make-up have horrible genetic problems, but stupid parents will go out and buy little white German Shepherd puppies to please their bratty kids who can't even keep a goldfish alive. I hate it when Disney and other movie companies make these movies with obscure breeds like this. Well, I hope the shelters are ready for an explosion of bad mannered, neglected white German Shepherds.

I worked at the local Humane Society for several years. I am so disenchanted by these movie companies continually doing this. I wish they would do more movies about mutts and adopting dogs instead of feeding backyard breeders more cash this way. Why can't they have more Benji-like dog movies out there?

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Good point,Siren,can't those kids just buy a Bolt plush?.
But i don't know if Bolt will be a blockbuster so maybe these dogs won't have the same problem like Clownfishes (Finding Nemo) had.

So, I agree with everyone in the case of Bolt's design. I don't think he needs the bolt on his side, it seems tacky to me. I also think that his head is way too big for his body.

The cat and the hamster are fine with me though.

The scenery though....WOW...breathtaking. If this is any indication of what Rapunzel might be or just where the studio is going in general then I can't wait for whats in store for us!

I was excited to see Bolt as a white German Sheperd ,then after reading Siren's post I waslike oh darn... sometimes doing movies like this hurt rare breeds than help it. ...

slightly off-topic I wonder if the demand for Wolf-dogs and German sheperds rose when Balto and All dogs go to Heaven was re-leased?

I personally hated what I saw of Sanders designs and they were the big reason I was ready to dismiss American Dog.

The Bolt art we've been shown doesn't look to innovative (with the exception of those amazing backgrounds) but I think it's an overall improvement.

I think Disney CGI movies are improving by leaps and bounds. I personally love MTR more and more each viewing and now I am starting to get excited about Bolt.

Can we get a trailer soon though? Please?

OT for a bit: Yeah, movies like this do hurt breeds, not just rare ones. White German Shepherds are "rare" because:
A: They have so many genetic diseases and issues they die early or have trouble being bred.
B: They are so expensive because they are "rarer", but they are only "rarer" because they die sooner

Sure, they are pretty, but the negatives outweigh the positives. Simply put, German Shepherds were never meant to be white. Black German Shepherds tend to have the same pros and cons of "normal" shepherds. But white shepherds, due to their genes have more cons. Understand that genes can cause several things. For instance, Dachshunds, Bassets, Corgis, and Munchkin cats, all short legged breeds, tend to have terrible heart problems. Reason is, the same genes that causes short legs, causes heart problems.
Well, the same genes that causes a shepherd to be white, cause skin problems, eye problems, and a host of other internal organ problems. IMO, if someone wants a white dog, adopt/buy one that is naturally white due to a long breeding history. White German Shepherds have always happened in the past, often they were culled (killed) way back when, because they were not good breeding stock. But now, bad breeding stock in in. Pugs and Pekenises have eyeballs that literally pop out, but apparently, people like the bug eyed look. Pit bulls are being bred to be 100lbs, when they should only be 60lbs and they wonder why they get hip dysplasia so bad.

I can't say I saw a large influx of wolf-dogs with Balto. I can say at the time Balto came out, I was babysitting for a family, a boy and a girl, and the parents were rich and their kids wanted a wolf-dog because of Balto. They got a white female, named her Jenna. Because she was part wolf, she did not always take easy to domestic dog things like being in a house 24/7, on a leash, etc. She got destructive. So they locked her in a cage, all the time. She started to get aggressive and I stopped babysitting. Not only for my safety but also, all I could see in my head was that hybrid getting out, killing the kids and I'd get blamed. Screw that. They ended up putting it in the shelter a few months later when it tried to attack the kids. DUH!

The ironic part about Nemo....it was a movie about fish trying to get out of a captive life and into the sea. And yet it influenced people to get "Nemos" to keep in captive tanks. I don't blame Disney/Pixar for that one. The story was obviously saying the fish weren't happy. But people overlooked that and bought them anyways. Same thing happened with Happy Feet, you see how miserable he was in captivity and how the penguins born there are zombies, but everytime I go to Sea World I hear kids yell, "Happy Feet!" in the penguin exhibit. Ironic.

BOT:
On Bolt's overall design. He looks like one of those dogs from DOG, the photographs of the dogs with big heads, lol. And not only is his head too big, but holy monkeys, his nose is HUGE!. WTH? The ears are pretty good, German Shep puppies always have HUGE ears, because they grow into them. Here is a good pic of a white one

Siren,that puppy is too cute!

I wholeheartily agree with everything you're saying. I don't like it when dogs are born,and they have a very short life. It's one thing if it's hit by a car,or it died of something to that extent,but to breed knowing it will have a short time on earth is just wrong!

I go offline for 3 days, and I come back and there's this huge news!!!! I think that Bolt and friends look adorable! I really, really like the designs- I can't understand why people don't like them...most other Disney animals could be called somewhat generic-looking...like the dalmatian puppies. I didn't even notice the bolt on his side until I read singerguy04's post and re-looked at the picture.

That is sad about breeding the animals due to a movie's popularity. It's really sad how breeders care more about making money than the health of their animals.

blackcauldron85 wrote:I think that Bolt and friends look adorable! I really, really like the designs- I can't understand why people don't like them...

Keep in mind that the general dislike is not limited only to this forum, but seems to be reflected by Disney fans the world over. It's quite depressing.

By the way, what do you think of the backgrounds? It seems only me and singerguy04 like them.

hehe..julian..i think only the two of u really like it...i find it no different than other CG backgrounds..maybe its the lighting...if it was something like fox and the hound;'s..i'd swoon. it has this soft touch to it that CG couldnt replicate.

Julian Carter wrote: By the way, what do you think of the backgrounds? It seems only me and singerguy04 like them.

I think that they look kind of like a painting. Which is very cool. I'm sure that the film will look great- I'm very excited for it. I'm still not a huge fan of CGI, but the character designs look cute, and the backgrounds do look nice (I usually don't get too excited over backgrounds, but I do about the characters...).

I'm begining to become very shocked that you aren't noticing all the differences in the picture. Meet The Robinsons and Chicken Little both had really blocky/possibly simple backgrounds. I feel like someone might've spent a whole lot of time and effort on this picture and that's what I'm excited about the most. I feel like someone out there is doing the best they can FINALLY. I mean maybe it's just me being a little dramatic but the comparison between Bolt's look and Chicken Little's is like the difference between Cinderella II's look and Cinderella III's look, if you get my drift. And to think this all happened with just one film in between them. I don't know, I just feel like it should cause more excitement...

kbehm29 wrote:The animated animals did not look like they belonged with the background, which I thought was beautiful.

I will reserve final judgement until I see much more, but I didn't like the still.

Hey, what am I -- chopped liver? Just kidding - I like the background too, though....thought it was the best part of the picture.

I hope this movie doesn't cause a problem with white German Shepherds. In all seriousness, maybe they should make a popular dog movie about adorable shelter mutts?

kbehm29 wrote: maybe they should make a popular dog movie about adorable shelter mutts?

"Lady and the Tramp" and "Lilo and Stitch" somewhat deal with adorable shelter mutts...

also Oliver and Co's Dodger is a mixed mutt

And Lady and the Tramp also deal with the idea that stray mutts can make fantastic, loyal, and loving pets. Tramp didn't have to save that baby, he risked his life twice to do it. Why twice? Once for risking his life against a large rat. Sure, he was bigger than the rat, but for the size Tramp was, if that was a real dog and rat fight, a rat could easily have gotten a hold of Tramp's neck and severed his wind pipe or major artery. And second, because he stuck around, when he was beat off with the broom, he didn't act aggressively to her. He didn't fight back when the dog catcher took him, he knew full well what he was in for, but I was not a human aggressive dog.

Mulan had what appears to be a mutt too. And though its not Disney, Anastasia's Pooka was a mutt as well. So they are out there in animation. But the purebreeds seem to top the list.

Anyways, back on subject, about the backgrounds. I do think they are beautiful. Like oil paintings.

Ah,what a cute puppy .
That's a sad story .
I don't think that Bolt will be sucssfull so i don't think that it will make mess (altought Happy Feet did).
What happend in Happy Feet? (i didn't saw the film) also that Seaworld thingy-it's also the same thing with Free Willy?.

People were mad with Happy Feet because they felt "tricked". They went to see a movie about a tap dancing penguin. They thought it would be cute and pointless. Instead, the movie was about how humans were taking all the penguin's fish, Mumble followed them to what looked like a Florida beach were he was close to death. A Sea World like theme park/zoo took him in, brought him back up to health....saved his life. So I don't see how Sea World looks bad in the movie. The other penguins that lived there, they are captive bred and they acted very autonomous and that was sad, but technically, a captive bred animal will act differently than a wild one. In the end, they do set Mumble free to return to his family. So I still don't see how Sea World looked bad in the movie. And parents and Republicans were made because they got tricked into seeing a movie about saving the environment and animals.

Siren wrote:People were mad with Happy Feet because they felt "tricked". They went to see a movie about a tap dancing penguin. They thought it would be cute and pointless. Instead, the movie was about how humans were taking all the penguin's fish, Mumble followed them to what looked like a Florida beach were he was close to death. A Sea World like theme park/zoo took him in, brought him back up to health....saved his life. So I don't see how Sea World looks bad in the movie. The other penguins that lived there, they are captive bred and they acted very autonomous and that was sad, but technically, a captive bred animal will act differently than a wild one. In the end, they do set Mumble free to return to his family. So I still don't see how Sea World looked bad in the movie. And parents and Republicans were made because they got tricked into seeing a movie about saving the environment and animals.

Really? i didn't saw Happy Feet (i thought it's another CGI film about a cute animale with fart jokes,i saw Flushed Away) but anyway most CGI films about animales are about saving animales and etc. (Bee Movie,Finding Nemo and etc.).
It's sounds intersting but if they're saying that it's bad to keep animales capetive then it is shows Sea-World in a bad image,isn't it? (but yet,they set him free so maybe it isn't),does they find fishies in the end?.
(By the way-i just had an National Geograpihc and it was just insane,it's not the normal channel but a channel with programs about they show how lions eat deers and....).

The movie ends up with them putting a tracking device on Mumble, follow him to his home where they see all the penguins tap dancing, it goes live on tv across the world, bringing their plight for food to light and they stop fishing in that area and the fish populations return on their own. But you should see it. It is not a fart/burp joke movie.

Also what National Geographic shows is the truth. Nature isn't all fluff. For some to live, others must die. Besides, how we kill our own food is far more barbaric than how a lion or any animal takes down its prey. Don't judge a predator for how it hunts, or for the photographers that film it. No one walks out there with a can of 9 Lives for the pride. They have to kill to eat and their manner of killing may look harsh, but it is fast and effective most the times. Visit a slaughterhouse sometime if you really want to judge how insane the death of an animal really can be. Nature is kind compared to us.