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When I took myth in high school, the one thing that I remember about the Hercules tale was that he boned 50 chicks in one night. That's how you know he's related to Zeus.

Super Aurora wrote:

Disney Duster wrote:Well, if Mort is young adult it stills tells you something. What would Bambi's book be considered?

But even with that, the fact that Death is a main character, and could walk around the parks...that doesn't feel Disney to me at all. Hades, a mythological character who sorta represents death but not really at all, no, not really at all, does. But Death himself, that just doesn't feel right from all we know of Disney.

How can you say Death being at the park doesn't "feel Disney"? There's even an attraction in the theme parks that center around death and spirits. It's called The Haunted Mansion.

So I don't get this uncomfortable feeling over this Death character who is made be in a way a comedic character in the book....

Yeah, but The Haunted Mansion is both fun and spooky. Phantom Manor took the concept of that ride to a whole new level with its dark storyline.

I find kinda weird that it never ocurred to Don Bluth to make this movie, cause it totally fits his style.

Anyway, while the whole grim reaper angle can be tricky, it can be done without making it completely dark or scary, remember "The Corpse Bride"? -or any single Tim Burton movie for that matter-

But something tells me the movie will be toned down.

jpanimation wrote:When I took myth in high school, the one thing that I remember about the Hercules tale was that he boned 50 chicks in one night. That's how you know he's related to Zeus.

The Greeks knew how to create awesome characters with such pimping traits and why I admire their great imagination for such.

DisneyJedi wrote: Yeah, but The Haunted Mansion is both fun and spooky. Phantom Manor took the concept of that ride to a whole new level with its dark storyline.

So what's the point you're trying to make here? I'm well aware of those two facts.

The story of Mort has fun and comedic stuff in it(and some involve Death himself as some previous people brought up) hence why I brought up Haunted Mansion as a counterpoint to Duster's claim that Death feel out of place or whatever for theme parks.

Dream Huntress wrote:I find kinda weird that it never ocurred to Don Bluth to make this movie, cause it totally fits his style.

Speaking of which, Don really REALLY needs to start doing animated movies again. I mean, the last one he put out was Titan A.E., and that was almost eleven years ago. Plus, he needs to before he has to leave the world of the living, given he's already seventy-three.

Dream Huntress wrote:But something tells me the movie will be toned down.

Hopefully it won't be TOO toned down. I mean, what's so extreme about the original story that would need toned down?

DisneyJedi wrote:Speaking of which, Don really REALLY needs to start doing animated movies again. I mean, the last one he put out was Titan A.E., and that was almost eleven years ago. Plus, he needs to before he has to leave the world of the living, given he's already seventy-three.

Ehhh... I think it's best he stays retired. I mean... have you seen his videos he posts? The how to draw kind of stuff? It's basically a sad, washed-up version of a once-great animator.

DisneyJedi wrote:Speaking of which, Don really REALLY needs to start doing animated movies again. I mean, the last one he put out was Titan A.E., and that was almost eleven years ago. Plus, he needs to before he has to leave the world of the living, given he's already seventy-three.

Bluth is releasing a new video game. If it sells well perhaps he'll be able to raise the funds to produce his pet project "Dragon's Lair: The Movie" using hand-drawn animation.

SWillie! wrote:I mean... have you seen his videos he posts? The how to draw kind of stuff? It's basically a sad, washed-up version of a once-great animator.

The videos are part of his animation tutorials. What's wrong with that?

DisneyDuster wrote:But even with that, the fact that Death is a main character, and could walk around the parks...that doesn't feel Disney to me at all. Hades, a mythological character who sorta represents death but not really at all, no, not really at all, does. But Death himself, that just doesn't feel right from all we know of Disney.

First of all what do you mean about Hades? He sort of does represent death but not really at all?

To the point, I personally don't have a problem with Death as a character. I haven't read Mort but Death in the novel seems to be a surprisingly sympathetic character in that he wants to be human. Ultimately, Death also spares Mort's life to ensure a happy ending so the story, nor the character, seem that dark at all.

DisneyJedi wrote:Plus, he needs to before he has to leave the world of the living, given he's already seventy-three.

First Alan Menken, now Don Bluth. Just because he's seventy-three doesn't mean he's at death's door, for all any of us know he could live into his 100's. Don't be so morbid

DisneyAnimation88 wrote:

DisneyJedi wrote:Plus, he needs to before he has to leave the world of the living, given he's already seventy-three.

First Alan Menken, now Don Bluth. Just because he's seventy-three doesn't mean he's at death's door, for all any of us know he could live into his 100's. Don't be so morbid

Yeah, but I heard the average lifespan for an American male is seventy-five years, and he's already seventy-three.

DisneyJedi wrote:

DisneyAnimation88 wrote: First Alan Menken, now Don Bluth. Just because he's seventy-three doesn't mean he's at death's door, for all any of us know he could live into his 100's. Don't be so morbid

Yeah, but I heard the average lifespan for an American male is seventy-five years, and he's already seventy-three.

Menken and Bluth are humans...not a jug of milk that expires in few weeks thus....just because the Average Male lifespan is 75 doesn't mean that On that grim 75th birthday an automatic collapse button falls out of their butt and they die....

oh and this is a fun site....

http://deathtimer.com/

DisneyJedi wrote:Yeah, but I heard the average lifespan for an American male is seventy-five years, and he's already seventy-three.

I think you're being a tad dramatic Seventy-five is not the expiration date of all humanity so I'm sure that there's every chance Don Bluth still has a lot of years left.

Sotiris wrote:

SWillie! wrote:I mean... have you seen his videos he posts? The how to draw kind of stuff? It's basically a sad, washed-up version of a once-great animator.

The videos are part of his animation tutorials. What's wrong with that?

I know they are - there's nothing wrong with it... but as an animation student, they aren't particularly good lessons, and they certainly aren't well made (from a filming/editing/designing sense). They just seem to scream "I used to be a well known animator but now I'm all washed up and need something to do with my talent."

Nothing against Bluth, as he truly did used to be a good animator. (And for all I know, still is). But he's just not doing anything today to show that, and I feel like it's for the better. I think the Bluth style went out quite a while ago.

Disney Duster wrote:Well, if Mort is young adult it stills tells you something. What would Bambi's book be considered?

But even with that, the fact that Death is a main character, and could walk around the parks...that doesn't feel Disney to me at all. Hades, a mythological character who sorta represents death but not really at all, no, not really at all, does. But Death himself, that just doesn't feel right from all we know of Disney.

Well, the Death in Discworld as mentioned earlier, isn't nearly as mean as other interpretations of the Grim Reaper. He sees his job as a public service that somebody's got to do and he just collects and his time on the job has generally made him fascinated with people and given him a sense of humor.

I like Death just from watching the Discworld TV movie The Color of Magic. He was one of the highlights.

The undead trained to be grim reapers in the show Dead Like Me aren't all empathic. They retain the personalities they had when they were alive. The show's protagonist was creeped out when she learned she was expected to remove souls from dead people and escort the souls to their afterlife.

Super Aurora wrote:

Disney Duster wrote:Well, if Mort is young adult it stills tells you something. What would Bambi's book be considered?

But even with that, the fact that Death is a main character, and could walk around the parks...that doesn't feel Disney to me at all. Hades, a mythological character who sorta represents death but not really at all, no, not really at all, does. But Death himself, that just doesn't feel right from all we know of Disney.

How can you say Death being at the park doesn't "feel Disney"? There's even an attraction in the theme parks that center around death and spirits. It's called The Haunted Mansion.

So I don't get this uncomfortable feeling over this Death character who is made be in a way a comedic character in the book....

When I think of a comedic Grim Reaper I think of the Grim Reaper that appears every some Halloween event on Runescape He's like Mr Miyagi from Karate kid he wants you to clean his house and you get a reward a Grim Reaper Hood.....

and there's this particular Grim Reaper from a famous good old cartoon show from back when Cartoon Network actually showed cartoons.....

Super Aurora wrote:So I don't get this uncomfortable feeling over this Death character who is made be in a way a comedic character in the book....

That's not the reason why Duster opposes the Mort-project. Sure, he might say so, but we all know the one and only reason is, that it's a *new* Disney movie that was neither a) made by his holyness Walt himself; nor b) made in his childhood so he doesn't have nostalgic feelings for it. If a movie doesn't fit those two categories, Duster will hate it and come up with a lame-ass reason for it. Like he did with Rapunzel. Apparently, that movie sucked to high heaven because Rapunzel was a princess, while she wasn't in (one out of a million) adaptations Duster has read. Never mind that Walt changed the source material all the time; that will just be flat-out denied.

Play nice, children.

The Haunted Mansion has ghosts, and it could even have death itself. But Death itself being made into a talking, personal character, the kind that could walk around the parks, is different. It's different from Haunted Mansion, from Hades, etc. These things are not the same, there are differences, and in these differences, it feels un-Disney to have Death as, well, a Disney character.

I know some of you are saying he could be friendy, and I suppose Disneyfied, but doesn't it make you wonder, can anything be Disneyfied? Could a film about drugs and sex be Disneyfied if they made drugs look fun enough and the sex have the characters singing as they do it? So I just don't think everything can be Disneyfied, including Death as a character.

Goliath, no. Come on, you're generalizing. I try to explain myself and give reasons as much as possible. If you're going to keep generalizing like that, I might as well just generalize all your posts as always taking the negative, cynical view, so why even bother listening to whatever reasons you come up with? If you don't want me to do that to you, please don't do that to me, man.

^Disney wouldn't have actual drugs and sex. They'd substitute them, thus "Disneyfied"

Disney Duster wrote:I try to explain myself and give reasons as much as possible.

That's the main problem people have with you. You never give any specific reasoning or explainations for your viewpoint and it comes off half-assed or vague where it seems you expect us to understand what you're saying. This paragraph below is perfect example:
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Disney Duster wrote:But Death itself being made into a talking, personal character, the kind that could walk around the parks, is different. It's different from Haunted Mansion, from Hades, etc. These things are not the same, there are differences, and in these differences, it feels un-Disney to have Death as, well, a Disney character.

WHY? How??

You're not explaining any reasoning or points to your claim. All you said there is that it's "different", "different kind", "feels un-Disney".
You expect us to take that as a something we can see the point you're trying to make?? Be more specific.



So as for topic itself, I don't see the big deal.
In most cultures and I'm sure it's portrayed the same in Mort, Death is portrayed as this:




I don't see that as big deal considering Disney done this before: