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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:08 pm
by jeremy88
Okay fine Escapay, I actually have to disagree with you on this one lol.
Well I do agree The Little Mermaid is over-rated, but then again a lot of Disney and Pixar movie have their moment of being over-rated at some point, this one just happens to have a larger fan base then those that are cult classics.

Anyways I don't think it's so much that Ariel rejects her culture and heritage its just that she was curious to find more about this other culture above her world that seems to be a mystery to her. In her situation, she's kind of like that kid in school who's a loner and is somewhat isolated from what everyone else is conforming to(conforming could be looked at both ways if she did what every other merperson did or conform to what humans do, so really there's no escape from conformitism), not being able to fit in and hopefully be able to find what their looking for in other things. In this case Ariel always had this curiosity about this other world, but not only that she then finds Eric to sort of push her motive and reason to want to be apart of something she's not. Also, the whole father-daughter relationship doesn't exactly go well between her and Triton. The confrontation between Ariel and Triton in the grotto is another major key point that plays into Ariel's desire to transform herself into something she's not. That's not to say she dosen't still care about her family and friends she does make mention of them before her decisions. I never really found it "disturbing" that she has an interest in the culture of humans because today a lot of people have an interest in different cultures and lifestyles other then their own and what they grew up with. Anyways in conclusion it's not that Ariel just wanted to give up everything for a man, because she had already wanted to be apart of human life because she was...how should I say? Odd? Estranged? In the world she grew up in.

So anyways I don't think the general or hidden message in The Little Mermaid is to tell people that "you have to reject everything for love" I think it tells people to "not give up on what you want, go with what makes you happy." Cause in the end, that’s what really matters right?

Okay. Im done. Again...I hate over analyzing things lol.

Oh I forgot to mention the whole... "True Love" side of the story. In that aspect The Little Mermaid is no different from Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty. In each of these films the whole "love" thing comes into play extremely fast with no development. How does this happen? I thought love takes a while lol. I think the only fairy tale that actually does have a well developed love story is Beauty and the Beast, and sort of Aladdin. But anyways when watching those 4 movies you shouldnt expect the "love" part to be something major, because it's not just going to work though the topic is another factor in the story. It is a nice thing to make the story revolve around and you can't really look at it as "love" because what happens when they really get to know each other afterwords? They might not even like each other. Bad thought. But of course for the films storyline your not supposed to see it that way, you watch it for what it is and how it should be. Which is a good thing, and makes them all the more enjoyable.

Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 7:59 pm
by Prudence
jeremy88 wrote:Oh I forgot to mention the whole... "True Love" side of the story. In that aspect The Little Mermaid is no different from Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty. In each of these films the whole "love" thing comes into play extremely fast with no development. How does this happen? I thought love takes a while lol.
And that is why forgotten sidekick couples that have known each other for decades win at life.

Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:02 pm
by Ting Ting
Lars Vermundsberget wrote:Or, on the other hand, perhaps you're just not able to appreciate a true classic? 8)
Or, on the other hand, your opinion is no better than mine. Yes, it is a classic, I agree. I did say that I understand why it's praised, but the movie itself bores me. When I think classic Disney films, I think The Rescuers, Peter Pan, Bambi, Cinderella, etc. These are all films that have a classic feel to them, yet still keep me entertained.

Oh, and I forgot to add Pirates of the Caribbean. I think they're great films, but they aren't near as good as some of Disney's other films, in my opinion.

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 11:04 am
by Lars Vermundsberget
Prince Ali wrote:
Lars Vermundsberget wrote:Or, on the other hand, perhaps you're just not able to appreciate a true classic? 8)
Or, on the other hand, your opinion is no better than mine.
Fair enough, my opinion as such is no "better" than yours. I was just getting at you for your use of the term "fact". 8)

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:59 pm
by Anthony
My picks for Over-rated Disney movies:

Snow White
Cinderella
Mary Poppins
The Chronciles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
Fantasia

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 11:15 pm
by Escapay
Anthony wrote:My picks for Over-rated Disney movies:

Snow White
Cinderella
Mary Poppins
The Chronciles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
Fantasia
Agree
Agree
Slightly Disagree
Slightly Agree
Slightly Disagree

(And it looks like I struck a few nerves with my comments about TLM. Oh well, you can't win 'em all. I'd post a more detailed response as to what I don't like about TLM, but that would take me quite awhile and be far too extensive to limit to one post, but I'll work on it, and maybe start a new topic that dissects every aspect of the film that I don't like. I can say confidently, though, that pap64 summed up best what I feel is so wrong with the Disney version: In comparison, Ariel has a schoolgirl crush on Eric..)

Escapay

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 11:28 pm
by Anthony
Escapay wrote:I'd post a more detailed response as to what I don't like about TLM, but that would take me quite awhile and be far too extensive to limit to one post, but I'll work on it, and maybe start a new topic that dissects every aspect of the film that I don't like. I can say confidently, though, that pap64 summed up best what I feel is so wrong with the Disney version: In comparison, Ariel has a schoolgirl crush on Eric.
That sounds like a good idea Escapay! I'd love to read a new thread that dissects your dislike for TLM. I love that movie and for the life of me I don't understand why anyone wouldn't (even though I'm in some agreement with you and pap64 about the "schoolgirl crush" thing).

Nevertheless, I stand by my love of TLM. It's the 3rd best animated movie ever.... well maybe the 4th best.... :)

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:40 am
by Ste7en
I've never liked The Black Cauldron... at all.

Doesn't stop me from owning ity though. :D

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:53 am
by PixarFan2006
I think The Chronicles of Narnia is VERY overrated. I think they were just trying to copy the success of LOtR, even though they are both completely different novels.

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:08 am
by PixarFan2006
Here is my list of overrated disney movies.

High School Musical (Oh please, what is so great about this movie?)
Cinderella (Just too boring for me and I never really liked it)
Tarzan (Just not very exciting for me)
The Chronicles of Narnia (I tried sitting through it but I got bored)

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:30 pm
by jeremy88
haha well of course I like your thoughts and opinions Escapay :) You usually have a clever way of stating things, and their really informative.

I'll just be ready to skewer what you think of The Little Mermaid lol.

Im joking, I'll probably just read and leave hehe...if it doesnt strike my nerves of course lol.

Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 12:12 am
by Escapay
Wow, two people interested in reading my TLM anti-praise! :D

I really am writing something long and drawn out, but I want to be able to cover every nuance of the film (well, maybe not every nuance, but enough so that it doesn't just come off as empty and broad rants) and make sure my reasonings are well-written. Want it to be detailed enough for people to understand my criticisms of the film without brushing it off as "Oh, just another Princess hater!" (cause I actually do enjoy a couple princesses, I just don't like certain messages that Disney is pushing out through them).

So, the TLM thread by Escapay will be coming, it will just take quite a bit of time (and maybe even longer if I don't get it done by May 23, when I'm off to continue my corporate slavery at the House of Mouse...)

Escapay